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Dunno if this has been posted before, but this is pure class...

http://www.ace.pp.se/~ace/bilder/rnb-creator.jpg

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Sunday, 19 January 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

no... i didn't create it (but i wish i did...)

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Sunday, 19 January 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

If only they could make one for dronerock...

"This song is about... *Drugs *Sex *Coffee *Religion *Drag Queens"

"This song will use *2 chords *1 chord *No Chords, just drones and tremolos"

Hmmmmmm....

kate, Sunday, 19 January 2003 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

kate what is dronerock? is it what peoples call shoegase or guitar bands or something like that?

Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 19 January 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Somewhere in the nebulous haze between shoegazer, spacerock, krautrock and, erm... what was that other term? Dronerock = bands whose favourite Velvets album is White Light/White Heat, I think that's a good starting point.

kate, Sunday, 19 January 2003 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)

i dont know any velvets tho, or spacerock, or krautrock. i guess ill just stay floating on this matter

Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

you are a racist.

blak k, Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

"pure class"

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the "bush sounds" part, I mean what the fuck ARE bush sounds? Is it like that bit in Beck's Loser when you have the clip of G. Bush the First One? THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE I CAN FEEL IT.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

This bears no correspondance to any R&B or rap which I am familiar with. Thus it is a typical microsoft product in that it does not work properly.

Also "Moddafokka" is perhaps the worst transliteration of an accent that I have ever encountered.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

"Steal melody from Red Hot Chili Peppers"

Readers can you spot the deliberate mistake here?

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

"garuanteed"

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

rap "artists" are murderers

blak k, Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

for bush sounds try Chris Morris

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I thot the "things are gonna change" line was actually a piece of dialogue from a Steve Hanft film. It sure as hell sounds like Bush, though.

"Bush sounds" = the noises little kids make when they're pretending to fire laser guns. "Psheeew, psheeew!"

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:51 (twenty-three years ago)

But surely the key point is that that music that black people make (we obviously don't need to note any difference between hip hop and R&B) is simple-minded, infantile and formulaic, and R&B shows none of the immense variety, imagination and originality of a few white guys playing guitars and drums.

I suspect "Bush sounds" = jungle noises, and not in the drum & bass sense.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 19 January 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Also "Moddafokka" is perhaps the worst transliteration of an accent that I have ever encountered.

NOT the worst if you consider they were actually going for "Fozzy Bear Swearing".

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 19 January 2003 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

It all falls apart when you get to the cars: where are the jeeps and Escalades? What kind of pansy middle-class rapper is cruising in Mercedes? That said, I would definitely like to hear any rap or r&b single based on the Knight Rider theme.

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 19 January 2003 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

"Fire It Up"!!!

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 19 January 2003 23:15 (twenty-three years ago)

MODaFOOOOCa!!!!!!

Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Sunday, 19 January 2003 23:19 (twenty-three years ago)

also, "clock strikes remix" by timbaland and magoo

boxcubed (boxcubed), Monday, 20 January 2003 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I want gangsta rappers to start driving tanks. That'd be incredible.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 20 January 2003 01:56 (twenty-three years ago)

is it just my imagination that No Limit did just this and they were even gold? or was that just their "symbol"? how could i forget something like this....

Honda (Honda), Monday, 20 January 2003 01:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I want gangsta rappers to start driving tanks. That'd be incredible.

And then Michael Dukakis can start rockin' the ice!

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Monday, 20 January 2003 03:54 (twenty-three years ago)

That's not even very funny on a ha-ha level, like, 'oh, all urban/whatev music sounds the same' cuz it's not like there's been all this wild variety between white music.
Also, if you're going to satirize something, you should be at least familiar with it, which the creator of this is not.
It's too bad, cuz it probably took some time.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 20 January 2003 04:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael Dukakis would be the best addition to the rap world ever.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 20 January 2003 04:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Where can I get such a r&B creator?

hrjak, Friday, 24 January 2003 17:53 (twenty-three years ago)

But surely the key point is that that music that black people make (we obviously don't need to note any difference between hip hop and R&B) is simple-minded, infantile and formulaic, and R&B shows none of the immense variety, imagination and originality of a few white guys playing guitars and drums.

The key point is that it's funny, which it is. Very.

It would work just as well with other genres like ska punk, euro metal or IDM.
Are you saying the person who did it was having a go at black people? That's not how I took it at all.

I love Hip Hop but not R&B (yet) BTW. I think the joke applies more to hip hop really.

mei (mei), Friday, 24 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I know nothing about the person who put it together, but I'm guessing that they would argue that it couldn't be applied to rock, say. Comparing the colossal area of R&B and hip hop to such tight genres as the three you cite seems very unbalanced too.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

You're right that R&B+HipHop is a larger genre than the ones i mentioned.

I think they're actually taking the piss out of the very narrow sub-genre of R'n'B/Hip-hop which does match this stereotype.
Gangstas in gold driving beamers, talking about bitches/nighas (is that how they spell it?) and having expensive looking videos set in exotic locations and swearing a lot. Bling-bling kerching.
To me there do seem to be a lot of videos (particularly) like that. Some of them are great, some rubbish.

If the author thinks that's all there is to RBHH then he or she is very wrong.

I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but I know enough about the music that's having its ribs tickled to know that the joke is not the whole truth. It's exaggerated and simplified to make it funny.

If the person who made it thought you couldn't do the same thing for rock they'd be wrong. It would probably be best to narrow down the joke to an easily identifiable sub set of rock that people who don't pay much attention to it, ie most of the planet, would understand.

mei (mei), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you entirely comfortable with the "Bush sounds" bit, Meirion? That's the one thing that either I misunderstand or it sounds very suggestive of racism.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Look. All it sez is "these are some qualities of rap and R&B which define them" and if all it's saying is "these qualities [cars, women, etc.] are in those rap songs which are distinguished from other rap precisely (though not exclusively) by the preponderance of those categories" then there's no satire, no humor, nothing but a big tautology.

In other words, any humor you find comes in the idea, implicit in the reductionism, that outside of those elements there's nothing more to get. Which is dead wrong and not funny as far as I'm concerned and does smack a bit of racism.

Mei are you 12 or so? Because if you're over 16 I'd like to call you a fuckface.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd only find this sort of thing funny if it seemed to be done by people who actually knew the genre: e.g. I recall laughing my ass off at the old Belle and Sebastian Lyric Generator, which had the necessary grain of familiarity with or even affection for the subject matter. This doesn't really swing that for me. (Though they obviously know more about Knight Rider samples than I did!)

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Like if the Source did this it would probably be hilarious (even though I'd get a whole lot less of it).

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

the indignation on this thread is funnier than the intended joke.

keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 25 January 2003 02:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I just wonder what the R&B Hit Wizard would come up with if you chose "Nothing" as the subject matter.

Amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 25 January 2003 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry Martin, I didn't really notice the bit I quoted from your post that said "music that black people make ".

I don't know if that's your view of HH/R&B or if you're saying that's the view of the person who made the joke. It's certainly NOT what I think when I listen to Hip Hop. I don't particularly think about people's race or color when I listen to music, it's usually irrelevant.

I wouldn't laugh at something which I thought was rascist, but this picture didn't appear to me to be rascist. Maybe I was wrong.

Now I've gone back and looked at it carefully.
Based on my limited knowledge the person who has stolen a melody from Queen is Vanilla Ice, who's white.
Puff Daddy/P Diddy/Sean Jean didn't steal a riff from Led Zeppelin because Jimmy Page gave it to him, by playing it again on the song (can't remember its name) but the riff was from Kashmere.
Destiny's Child or Eternal covered RHCP's Under The Bridge and covered it badly - I don't know what race either of those bands are. Crazy Town stole a RHCP riff for 'Butterfly' I think, I think Crazy Town are white but I might be wrong and anyway RHCP got a writing credit for it.
I remember a few years ago hearing a song that used the knight Rider theme and thinking it was cool but cheesy, don't know who did that song. Punjabi MC has a song at the moment with another bit of the riff, from his name I'd guess he's English of Indian descent?

The picture does use the word 'Brotha's' which I didn't notice before. I can see how some people would find this offensive.

I'm going to quote myself now because I want to make something clear:
Gangstas in gold driving beamers, talking about bitches/nighas (is that how they spell it?) and having expensive looking videos set in exotic locations and swearing a lot. Bling-bling kerching

These are words regularly used in real songs. They're NOT words I'd use. Apart from anything else I'd sound totally stupid if I did.
When I said this is how 'they' spell it I meant the people who write the songs or who write down the lyrics for the record sleeves.

Martin said: Are you entirely comfortable with the "Bush sounds" bit, Meirion?
I have no idea what 'Bush Sounds' are. Looking at the other posts no one else does either. Ally says she doesn't know but (jokingly?) thinks it might be something to do with George Bush. Stevem says Chris Morris, I know who he is but can't remember him saying anything like that and a quick google doesn't show anything. Nate thinks they're like lazer zap sounds.
Maybe it's something to do with the band Bush. They say they're named after Shepards Bush, but Bush is also a euphemism for vagina so maybe it's something to do with that? I've got no idea really.

Martin, you suspect they're sounds you'd hear in a jungle, like creaking tress and snakes and distant elephant calls? That's a bit of a stretch but you might well be right, I don't know. Myself i've only heard the word 'bush' used to refer to the Australian Outback, not any other jungles. Are there any R&B or Hip-hop songs with jungle sounds on?

Sorry Sterling, I'm a fuckface.
I've already said I know there's more to the music than the joke suggests, but jokes are always oversimplifications.
Your analysis of why I laughed must be flawed because your conclusion is wrong.

The person who made the joke might think that the music is defined by his parameters. I'm laughing (partly) because I know it can seem as if the music is defined by those parameters.

What I found funniest though was the idea that there could be a Microsoft application and associated wizards that would do these sort of things. Also I was laughing at some of the words/ideas written down totally out of context ie on a computer input form rather than spoken by a rapper. There's a similar joke from a TV show where a newsreader reads out the lyrics to some soppy ballad in formal queen's english.


General apologies to anyone here equates R&B or Hip Hop with a particular race. I don't. They're types of music.

If someone said "All R&B music is shit" and they meant the musical genre then that is not racist.

If someone said "All music made by black people is shit" that IS racist.

mei (mei), Saturday, 25 January 2003 11:39 (twenty-three years ago)

they forgot:

Dress code [Oversized athletic gear] [N/A]
Camera Angle [low] [really really low] [under floor]
Backdrop [Westchester mansion] [Neon spaceship] [Neon club] [Neon Westchester mansion-club]

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

the video for The Roots 'What They Do' is much better and funnier than the attempt above at mocking 'bling culture' and 'thug life'

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Mei, I think Martin's query about "bush sounds" stems from "bush" = African savannah (cf "Bushmen") ==> bad monkey/jungle connotations. I have no idea what "bush sounds" refers to either -- I sure hope it's not that.

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 26 January 2003 00:01 (twenty-three years ago)

If you copy the URL of the image and trace it back to its origin, you'll find that it's from a Swedish man's site. Though most of the Swedes I know speak/write better English than the average American does, the possibility of a language-barrier issue is worth at least considering. ("Bush sounds" were the one thing that made me raise my eyebrows.)

Phil (phil), Sunday, 26 January 2003 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

(I assume there aren't any major R&B hits that've used field recordings of the African savannah as backing tracks: "Outside the Circle of Earth, Wind, and Fire" as it were.)

Phil (phil), Sunday, 26 January 2003 00:16 (twenty-three years ago)

if you check that box it comes out Johnny Clegg!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 26 January 2003 01:52 (twenty-three years ago)

How does the biggest white name in African music get in there at all???

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 26 January 2003 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

'Fu gee La' has 'bush sounds' at the start of it

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 26 January 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"rock and roll is the martial music of every sideburned juvenile delinquent in the world"

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 January 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Neon Westchester Mansion Club!!!

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 26 January 2003 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)


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