Cocteau Twins Listening Strategites

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So you're listening to some Cocteau Twins and you want to sing along, but she refuses to speak English. What is/was your strategy?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

(I feel sheepish whenever I have anything to say about any 4AD band, sorry if it seems unseemly to anybody)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 23:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Strategites? O dear. Anyhow we're working two strategies on Victorialand in my house tonight:

A. Elisabeth "Troo G" Fraser Strategy: wherein all Cocteau Twins lyrics are actually gangsta rap tunes. Rhyming optional, but especially effective when used occasionally

B. Meowing

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 23:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't bother trying to work out the words. i just sing any noises that seem to fit

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

meowing is good. or harmonizing like a monk by just going "aahhhhhhh" in a low baritone in the right key.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Usually people are too busy having sex to sing along...

brg30 (brg30), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just make up words that sound right.

One of the funniest things I've ever read was a transcription of lyrics on _Milk and Kisses_. Here are the alleged lyrics to "Violaine":

Ik does a dashik dozen
Ik does a yield gig does
Ik does alone cheyenne
Mad at them who tease him scrawling
(chorus 1)

And I knew deeper darlin
Idiom a deus is dos
Indeared look he loves it
Your elan new sub dearie

Says your supper should shout
As you eat up seisured
Evil oh it will
Evolve evil vamos a la

repeat chorus 1

He tear them off, he tear them off
(he tear them off and eat the meal too)
Oh eat off your toe
(as you eat up)
Slow eat that meal, slow eat that meal
(slow eat that meal, no way down)
No way down, you're close
(chew too slow, you're close)
And how can you mock me
(how can you be in the nude)
When you're my friend
(when you're my friend)
He tear them off, he tear them off
(ik does ...?)
Oh eat off your toe
(chorus 2)

I know I need to tell you
All I've seen, all i catch
Put in the poster girl
And shake like dogs of tiding scholar

repeat chorus 1

repeat chorus 2

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The 'Great Pop Things' strip on the Cocteaus was particularly great. Had Liz singing her grocery shopping list.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember a great moment when the Cocteau Twins played the Beacon Theatre on the HEAVEN OR LAS VEGAS tour and looking around the crowd at one point and watching people singing along.....each of them singing completley different "lyrics."

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Pretend you're listening to Dif Juz!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 01:58 (twenty-three years ago)

sing wot u hear, they r still syllables u knowwwwwwwww. i.e. "Ivo": "Nee-oar-adore (whoop-whoop-haw), deen-dare-onni-more, ee-don't-dill-or-adore (whoop whopop haw), and a per-onnie-more

naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I thought half of the fun with the Cocteaus was mumbling along phonetically until you find yourself singing what seems like a semi-coherent phrase: then you go sit in the corner and get very paranoid over whether what you've come up with is patently silly or maybe sort of close.

Pretty much everything after Blue Bell Knoll makes sense to me, though: people should at least be able to hazard limited guesses at Heaven or Las Vegas. E.g. my friend Ruby who for a long time mistook "Road, River, and Rail" for a song about fishing ("Rod, River, and Reel").

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Apparently Simon Raymonde thought the exact same thing about that song. I approve.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Hah, knowing her she might have just adopted the story as her own.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 05:57 (twenty-three years ago)

...it never ceased to amaze me how she remembered the 'words' when she sang them live.
Things changed round the time of Heaven or Las Vegas, though - proper words.
I'm just disappointed Liz doesn't appear on the new Massive Attack album again.
Anyone heard her solo single 'Underwater', released on white label a few years ago? It's great - very dancey for her, but great.
And there's about 5 seconds of her singing in The Two Towers - cough and you miss it.

russ t, Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

did they always sound the same from show to show? Never having seen them don’t know how close to the album versions the live versions were..
there was an article on Cocteau Twins in Mojo a while back where Liz F. talked about how she was so scared of human contact that she developed her singing technique to hide what she was saying and that her use of clearly understandable words was due to becoming more stable emotionally. I found that depressing.

H (Heruy), Thursday, 23 January 2003 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I read a description of Bjork once, that I think you can also apply to Liz Fraiser. They said "she sings like you imagine the first humans to have done, testing and exploring what their vocal chords and language could do." Something like that anyway, can't remember the exact words.

So now I sing along by making swoopy noises.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

H -
I saw them about 4 times, and each time, her lyrics were the same as on record.
If you ever get the chance, you really should try to get to see her in a live situation - she's just breathtaking - even better than on vinyl.
Another singer like this is Alison Goldfrapp. Incredible.

russ t, Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, I always thought she was singing in Quenya...

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll second Russ - but I saw them 3 times (last 3 tours) and only the finally show was on, as you say BETTER than the records.

first time (Heaven Or Las Vegas) she had laryngitis and was inaudible,
second time was godawfull (Four Calendar Cafe tour - though I love the record, that's when they were splitting up and tension was high, she was singing way off - motioning all the while that she couldn't hear herself on her earplugs)
ah, but that 3rd time though (Milk & Kisses): best singing I've EVER heard

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 23 January 2003 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

twelve years pass...

supper is soooooooooo bland

the geographibebebe (unregistered), Monday, 4 May 2015 10:27 (eleven years ago)

I fear I may have ruined 'Pearly Dewdrops Drops' for my girlfriend. But the end of the chorus really does sound like "bicycle in chicken sauce" to me.

More Fetid Than Fêted (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 May 2015 11:05 (eleven years ago)

Had you sung the correct lyrics, this tragedy might be averted.

We'll be sold when Roddy comes
Comes for pearly dewdrop's drops
When Roddy comes
('Tis the lucky, lucky, penny, penny, penny)
(Buys the pearly to their souls)

And as he jump the puddle
To try to turn to loving this
Where still I am on my stuff
So when he turned around he saw

The database is quite comprehensive, and generally quite daft.

The Painter of Blight™ (Sanpaku), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:49 (eleven years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Rod_Roddy_TPIR.jpg

Roddy came.

More Fetid Than Fêted (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:02 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

Funny thing, just now on bbc2 was the cocteau twins pearly dewdrop drops, and the subtitles match what's on that page a couple of messages up.

It certainly looks/sounds right!

Mark G, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:23 (eight years ago)

two years pass...

Isnt it:
Ruby soaked and ruddy
Cups of pearly dewdrops drop

?

Actually I'm here because just this morning I stumbled on lyrics on Genius.com (I know, i know) for all of the Lullabies EP and... well, theyre the right ones. The poster's someone with a lot of oldschool CT knowledge and notes theyre from lyrics Liz wrote and mailed to a fan in the early days (apparently this is somewhere on facebook, I have to find it)

I believe it, because unlike all the mushmouthed stretches you find online, these ones LOOK RIGHT when you listen to the songs and they are NOT what anyone else managed to hear. EG, for Feathers Oar Blades:

Bare in foot and hide
Barefaced bareheaded
Bare in foot and hide
Bare in foot and hide

Crestfallen, weeping
The cripples though crestless
Are crestfallen weeping

Feathers oar blades
Splitting hair feathers
Spitting out oar blades
Spitting out oar blades

Crestfallen, weeping
The cripples though crestless
Are crestfallen weeping

All in teetotum
Widdershins every's body
Is all in teetotum
Is all in teetotum

Spitting out oar blades

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:54 (six years ago)

three years pass...

It’s a good time of year in the northern hemisphere to listen to early cocteau twins, especially head over heels

brimstead, Thursday, 7 December 2023 01:41 (two years ago)

legit q: when is it not a good time to jam head over heels?

(but yes, season calls for it for sure!)

she fell asleep with her hand around my throat (Austin), Thursday, 7 December 2023 03:46 (two years ago)

Garlands, Head Over Heels, Treasure - winter
1985 EPs - spring
Victorialand, BBK, HOLV - summer
Four-Calendar Cafe, Milk & Kisses - autumn

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 7 December 2023 03:49 (two years ago)

Victorialand - summer

it's named after an area of Antarctica and has tracks about the "dark months of April and May" as well as "how to bring a blush to the snow" and an Inupiaq work for musk-ox. Summer jams it ain't.

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 7 December 2023 03:58 (two years ago)

Victorialand is always end of summer into autumn to me bc it was popular during my first semester in college (beginning in August ‘86)

Josefa, Thursday, 7 December 2023 04:10 (two years ago)

Get a six pack of Mountain Dew Code Red, a bag of Flamin' Hot Doritos, settle into your corduroy bean bag chair, and cue up their entire discography on random. You'll be sweatin' and shiverin' no matter what the season

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Thursday, 7 December 2023 04:59 (two years ago)

Yee Hawww!

(Silently weeping remembering when there was only one Mountain Dew and one kind of Doritos)

Josefa, Thursday, 7 December 2023 05:13 (two years ago)


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