Person identified by RIAA after downloading 600 songs in one day

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so what happens? do the police confiscate his/her hard drive?

will the RIAA be able to force telecom companies to help them track down their customers who have been downloading the most music files illegally? if they do this and manage to deter people from downloading hundreds of files per day through fear of getting caught, what then? do they continue to narrow it down, targetting anyone who downloads just a couple per day on average? surely this would not be feasible when so many are doing it.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 11:57 (twenty-three years ago)

That link isn't working...

Here's some story text:
"Smoothing the way for the entertainment industry to pursue people who trade music and movies online, a federal judge ordered Verizon Communications yesterday to give a record industry trade group the identity of an Internet subscriber suspected of making available unauthorized copies of several hundred songs.

In the closely watched case, the Recording Industry Association of America argued that it had the right to invoke a legal shortcut compelling Internet service providers to turn over subscriber information without requiring a copyright holder to file a lawsuit.

Verizon argued that the shortcut was meant to apply to only a narrow set of circumstances and that its broad use would violate its subscribers' privacy and due process rights. The company had refused to comply with a subpoena.

But Judge John D. Bates of the Federal District Court in Washington wrote that Verizon's position "would create a huge loophole in Congress's effort to prevent copyright infringement on the Internet." Verizon said it would appeal the ruling.

The record industry, which holds online piracy responsible for much of the precipitous decline in CD sales in recent years, has so far largely limited its lawsuits to companies it sees as aiding large-scale copyright infringement, like Napster and KaZaA. But lately industry officials have signaled that they are preparing to pursue some of the millions of people who infringe copyrights using the Internet.

Judge Bates's ruling may play a pivotal role in allowing the industry to do that, legal experts said yesterday. "The court's decision has troubling ramifications for consumers, service providers and the growth of the Internet," said Sara Deutsch, vice president and associate general counsel for Verizon. "It opens the door for anyone who makes a mere allegation of copyright infringement to gain complete access to private subscriber information without the due process protections afforded by the courts."

Until now, the entertainment industry has largely used the fast-track subpoena process to request information on people who post copyrighted material on individual Web sites that reside on computers owned by an Internet service provider. This time, however, the recording industry group asked for information on someone who was distributing material from a personal computer using the popular file-trading program KaZaA, rather than a central server.

The record industry association estimates that about 2.6 billion files are illegally downloaded each month by users of such programs. The file-trading programs have become the preferred way to obtain music — and, increasingly, video files — in part because they provide a high degree of anonymity to people distributing the material.

Anyone who can connect to the Internet from home can place files in a "shared folder," and simply by running one of the sharing programs make material available to millions of users who search for it. Judge Bates's ruling, the recording industry said, would prevent people from shielding themselves with this type of software.

"We appreciate the court's decision, which validates our interpretation of the law," Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, said in a statement. "The illegal distribution of music on the Internet is a serious issue for musicians, songwriters and other copyright owners."

The 1998 law, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, provided copyright holders the ability to circumvent the normal judicial process in pursuing violators. But it also gave Internet service providers immunity from liability for copyright infringement on their networks in exchange for their cooperation in immediately removing infringing material once they were notified and in turning over subscriber information.

Verizon argues that the bargain was not intended to get service providers to police subscribers who used their own computers to perform illegal acts. Some legal experts said the ruling could allow copyright holders to privately threaten people who might have a defense but lack the resources to fight the entertainment industry.

"I'm concerned about the number of enforcement actions that don't ever get to court," said Jessica Litman, author of "Digital Copyright" (Prometheus, 2001) and a law professor at Wayne State University. "It's one thing to say I want this person's identity so I can file suit. It's another thing to say I want this person's identity so I can interfere with their connectivity to the Internet."
[NY Times]

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Meanwhile in other news, UK Megastar Robbie Williams sez "Music Piracy is great, [and] it'll never be stopped."

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Pop Monkey States The Obvious SHockah!

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

600 songs doesn't seem that much to me. that's what, 50 albums? eh.

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

But they were all Shakira songs.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

except for three bootleg Guided By Voices tracks.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

which featured Shakira on bass.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Wherehouse music to close 95 stores.

http://www.kintera.org/htmlcontent.asp?cid=30715

That's 95 from Wherehouse, 60 from TransWorld and 90 from MusicLand et al. over 250 music stores ordered to close in the last two months.

david day (winslow), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

who the hell wants to listen to 600 songs?

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

The memory leak in Soulseek is doing more to discourage me from downloading mp3s than the RIAA ever will.

Stuart, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

memory leak? what is that?

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

"Music Piracy is great, [and] it'll never be stopped."

Not even by keelhauling? Let 'em take a long walk down a short plank, I say. Arrr.

jot eff pe, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I think this thread title is incorrect. My understanding of the story is that they were sharing 600 songs through Kazaa - not that they downloaded them all in one day. This could be anyone who uses Kazaa who has at least 600 music files on their computer.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Gareth, after a few hours Soulseek ends up using 250+ Mb of RAM and needs a good restarting (the program, not the whole computer). Who knows why, but the website just says "yeah we know Soulseek is a resources hog." It seems to have gotten worse recently, so whereas I used to let it run all the time, now I only use it when I really want something.

Stuart, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

who the hell wants to listen to 600 songs?

That's what the RIAA is asking.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Interestingly, some news accounts say that they downloaded hundreds of files a day, others say that they were sharing hundreds of files. I'm not sure which is correct.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

It just now occurred to me that I started putting people on my User List recently, and before then it had always been empty, so I've removed everyone to see if that makes any difference.

Stuart, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

did they download or upload 600 songs?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

It depends on which story you read. The BBC link at the top of the thread says that they downloaded hundreds of files a day. The story on Billboard, on the other hand, just says that they were sharing hundreds of files, which doesn't even imply that they uploaded that many, just that they had them available on their computer.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24577-2003Jan21.html

"who had downloaded as many as 600 songs a day using the popular Kazaa music-file-sharing service."

david day (winslow), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

"The RIAA had claimed that Verizon was obligated under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to identify a subscriber who had illegally made more than 600 copyrighted music files available over the Internet."

- Billboard Daily Music News

"Smoothing the way for the entertainment industry to pursue people who trade music and movies online, a federal judge ordered Verizon Communications yesterday to give a record industry trade group the identity of an Internet subscriber suspected of making available unauthorized copies of several hundred songs."

- The NY Times

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

The very wise Sean Carruthers noted recently on a different thread that this may eventually be a good thing in disguise -- that is, once the music industry does get a decent grip on people downloading music and realize the lack of sales isn't necessarily tied to it, that many artists, by then, would have decided to opt out of RIAA membership, go for business with one less middleman, and work directly with their fans... leaving the RIAA even more obsolete and further behind.

What will come from this, for better or for worse, is that old dinosaur rock acts will lose relevance at an accelerated rate, as they are the ones who benefit from RIAA ties the most -- and if it is more expensive and difficult to dig in to their catalog, there will be far more frugal options available than now.

OK, there's a lot of ASS-U-ME-ing on my part here.. but hey, it's fun.

Worst case scenario for would be file sharing swabs... in the future, you might need two machines in your household. A "main" machine (i.e. people who like what Windows has to offer, all protection schemes aside), and a "naughty" machine (i.e. maybe Mac but more likely a cheap Linux box with only CD ripping software on it, or similar).

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm, maybe this should be another thread.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

also u used trhe word "dinosaur" as if it wz negative

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, what Verizon customer did [B]not[/B] have a paranoiac attack when they read the headline this morning? I think the service that I use during the day (cough, cough) might be Verizon. Half asleep on the train, I scanned the story for the part that says, "a Verizon customer named Kerry X who uploaded x number of files....". Fortunately, I never liked Kazaa.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

also u used trhe word "dinosaur" as if it wz negative

No I didn't. It was used with sympathy, reverence, and concern.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:58 (twenty-three years ago)

From now on, all references to "dinosaur" in a rock context must now use the term "coelacanth".

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I think this is all pretty funny. I don't have an MBA, but I'm pretty sure suing your customers isn't a very good way to run your business.

**biddy biddy BUT WE'RE ONLY SUING THE GROSS OFFENDERS biddy biddy**

Oh right. Nevermind then.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

From now on, all references to "dinosaur" in a rock context must now use the term "coelacanth".
Anyone who is a fan of the band Coelacanth, Jr...raise your unevolved flippers.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

More songs than that got stolen from my car last summer, and the police never even called me back!

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Also keep in mind, don't trust any numbers that come from the RIAA's direction. In a recent statistic measurement they used, they counted a single CD rip as FOUR CDs, because the speed of the CD burner used in the study was 4x...

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Those nutty RIAA members...what silly antics will they think up next?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2003/db030122.gif

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Ooops...i pirated that comic strip.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...
INTERNET USERS FACE JAIL FOR DISTRIBUTING NEW RELEASES
http://www.nme.com/news/106747.htm

new US laws

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 14 November 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"anything posted online will be downloaded a minimum of ten times, reports the BBC."

Hah. I've posted MP3s of my old bands stuff, and they have been downloaded bugger all times...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 14 November 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure suing your customers isn't a very good way to run your business.

Except downloaders aren't customers! ;)

In early September the major music record companies, desperate to stop a prolonged downturn in CD sales, took the drastic action of suing 261 of their own customers for illegally downloading thousands of songs off the Internet. Critics in the press and the online community mocked the move, suggesting the stuck-in-the-past industry had hit a new low. Some even predicted that rather than solving the problem the lawsuits would ignite a consumer backlash that would end up driving down sales even further.

Two months later the industry is quietly basking in a rare CD sales boom. Thanks to a run of seven consecutive up weeks in which album sales have increased compared to corresponding weeks in 2002, business is suddenly surging...

bugged out, Friday, 14 November 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Meanwhile I'm stealing more shit than ever!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Though I'm buying more too, I guess. This time of year usually big for sales, isn't it?

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess you addressed that, though, d'oh!! the economy is also doing better, if that helps!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

read the article...

bugged out, Friday, 14 November 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)


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