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what's Israeli rock/pop music like? does it follow the Cairo sound, like the rest of the region's pop musics, or is it more like an offshoot of Western pop music? Or is it something unique and entirely of itself?

I'm also curious as to whether the Israeli Arabs and the Palestinians occupy a similar role to African-Americans in the music of the USA.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 10:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a nice album from the late 70s by a band called Gazoz. It's tuneful, new-wavey and, I'm told, very witty lyric-wise. I'm not up with contemporary Is-pop, I'm afraid, but good question - I share your curiosity.

Daniel (dancity), Thursday, 23 January 2003 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I've just remembered Israel's Eurovision winners of the 70s. There was some weedy one about how peace was great. More exciting was the one with no English title or lyrics. My descriptive powers fail me, but trust me, it was enjoyable to my young ears.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:01 (twenty-three years ago)

dana international

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

This yr's Israeli entry for Eurovision was all about "light a candle for peace" too. It got trounced by the usual selection of Baltic drag acts.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)

What about NOA? I think she's pish, but lots of people really flip their wig over her vaguely new age warble pop. I don't think it's the Cairo sound. She's been in the army, and somehow that really impressed me.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I get MTV Israel, and they never play Israeli music. They play "Asereje" alot tho, so in the begining I thought Las Ketchup were Israeli (I still kinda hope they secretly are)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I heard there was a big Goa style trance scene in Israel. And I've downloaded trance versions of traditional jewish melodies like hava negila(?)

phil jones (interstar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

taking from Daniels point Israel is probably too small and too influenced by US and Europe to have a strong pop scene

Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

by no means an expert speaking here, but what seems to characterise the little I’ve heard of Israeli music is that its pulling from a wide range of styles - so you can have a group that is more Yemeni oriented, another maybe Moroccan, another Russian folk and so on. From what I’ve been told the incorporation of more Mid-East based music is a relatively recent development, and that earlier most music was closer to folk rock.

Thanks to the “Paid in Full” sample of her voice Ofra Haza is probably the best known Israeli star abroad, singing in Hebrew and Arabic and she changed from doing Eurovision stuff to drawing on her Yemeni roots. (I’m not adding more as I’m assuming most ppl are familiar with her)

David Broza is the only actual pop star I am at all familiar with, his style (what little I’ve heard) is folk-rock with flamenco touches. He is a huge star but I haven’t found myself overly impressed with his stuff. He has talent but I found what I heard very middle of the road.

Personal faves include Emil Zrihan, a cantor at a synagogue in Israel, his one album Ashkelon was practically glued into my CD player when I first got it. He has an amazing voice and sings traditional folk songs from his childhood in Morocco and devotional songs with a distinctly Andalusian & Moroccan flavor – flamenco guitar, use of the oud etc.

Ex-Centric Sound System is another group I think great but don’t know whether to characterise them as Israeli pop or rock. The group is made up of Ghanian and Israeli musicians and mixes ambient, dub and funk. While there is a clear Ghanian base for the music and they pull from other sources, (Ethiopia, Caribbean) there isn’t anything I could characterise as ‘Israeli’ if that means a more traditionally based sound.

Habrera Hativeet is a group which very consciously tries to draw on all the various strands of music available (Russian, Moroccan, Yemeni, etc.) I was pleasantly surprised by them when I saw them in concert as I expected it to sound pretty bland but their live show was great and as a bonus the leader of the group looks just like Mr. Spock.

There is apparently a huge ecstasy fuelled trance scene but I don’t know much more than that. Sorry not to be of more help but most of the music I know from there doesn’t fall under pop.

H (Heruy), Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

There is actually literally a booming Arab-Israeli hip-hop scene, dirty vicar. The only name I can remember right now though is MWR, unfortunately.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:53 (twenty-three years ago)

There is apparently a huge ecstasy fuelled trance scene but I don’t know much more than that. Sorry not to be of more help but most of the music I know from there doesn’t fall under pop.

it's pop for my purposese.

I find the idea of any kind of Israeli rave scene highly amusing.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I find the idea of any kind of Israeli rave scene highly amusing.

Any particular reason why?

phil jones (interstar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

well, I'm imagining people dancing around their machine guns, going on about how much they love everyone and then reporting for occupation duty the next day.

and yeah, blah blah blah they didn't ask to be attacked by suicide bombers etc., but still, even taking an Israeli line you'd have to see a certain strangeness about raving in a heavily militarised country.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to Tel Aviv on Saturday, and I intend to do some raving.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

The indie-rock scene in Israel is nonexistant - two of my best friends live in Tel Aviv and keep up with such things. I have heard that there's a big trance/techno scene, as noted above. And there is definitely Israeli and Palestinian hiphop.

mike a (mike a), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:47 (twenty-three years ago)

DV, A lot of the stuff I've heard sounds closer to Greek music (instrumentally) than Arabic music, particularly in the extent to which it uses electric guitars, and the manner in which it uses them. When it sounds like Arabic music, it tends to sound more Lebanese than Egyptian. My sample is based on music specifically intended for "folklore dancing," though it is also pop music. I still kind of like Chaim Moshe, despite the awful drum machines and whatnot.

I don't really know too much about it though.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:48 (twenty-three years ago)

DV, I guess that's why they escape to Goa for a while.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Precisely, Rocket Scientist. Dv, if you lived in a 'highly militarised country' I suspect you'd also want to take mind-expanding drugs and get off your head.

Daniel (dancity), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Rockist, I'm sorry

Daniel (dancity), Thursday, 23 January 2003 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's an article about Israeli prog.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Friday, 24 January 2003 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm also curious as to whether the Israeli Arabs and the Palestinians occupy a similar role to African-Americans in the music of the USA.

What, do you mean that Palestinians would be disproportionately represented on the Israeli pop charts?

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 24 January 2003 03:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I have no knowledge about the subject, but I wonder how the wonderful live retro-psychedelic band Rockfour fits into the indie picture in Tel Aviv. I also remember reading in Rolling Stone (?) that many raves had been called off in the wake of suicide bombings. And I seem to remember reading somewhere else about a musical communion between Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem in protest against the occupation and the suicide bombings. I wish my memory weren't a seive for details...

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 24 January 2003 04:57 (twenty-three years ago)

What, do you mean that Palestinians would be disproportionately represented on the Israeli pop charts?

yeah, kind of. Marginalised from mainstream society, do they nevertheless represent an Other from which musical creativity is plucked?

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 13:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i was going to mention Rockfour, but pete scholtes did it before. they toured spain last year, and i don't know why but i didn't think they were the ONLY indie rock band in israel...

joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

article in yesterday's Times about Israeli rave scene
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/09/arts/design/09BACH.html

H (Heruy), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Funny, I just discovered an Israeli band caled Rockfour.
They sound like 60s psych, but they kick all other
revivalists (like Ocean Colour, Oasis, and Essex Green)
in the ass. Quite good, if not exotic at all.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 10 February 2003 12:16 (twenty-three years ago)

i grew up on 30 years of Israeli pop music, most of which was sappy and nationalistic - ballads about brave medics and ammunition vigils, maybe the occasional novelty about a man living in a wall. during the '80s and '90s, a strange hybrid called the 'da'awin' - Arabic pop with sassy, modern-Hebrew lyrics - was popular. but that didn't last long. i understand that Israel also saw a short-lived wave of Nirvana clones a few years back. and Nick Cave has always been inexplicably popular there. otherwise, Middle Easternized hiphop and Eurovision-style clubpop have held sway over the airwaves ever since.

i'll give a nod to an anomaly - Danny ben Israel's semiclassic 'Bullshit 3 1/4." pretty sweet prog-psych whathaveyou alb, circa 1970, that stands up to anything on Ohr or Futura from the same period. and to the (still) Jerusalem-based Ashqelon Quilt, one of the few bands, Israeli or otherwise, truly carrying on in the freaked-out tradition of VdGG or the Softs.

summerslastsound (summerslastsound), Monday, 10 February 2003 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
There's a very interesting article here on the Israeli/Goa connection: "Indian Love Call: Israelis, Orthodoxy, and Indian Culture". (Originally came across this in print form at work.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 30 May 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, part of an answer to questions DV asked above: When the oud is the other.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 30 May 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Of related interest:

Paradoxically a part of the maqam tradition has been preserved in Israel, due to the emigration from the end of the nineteen forties of many Iraqis of Jewish descent.

After the immigration into Israel the Israeli radio broadcasted maqam concerts. However apart from some posts at the radio there was not enough work for the emigrated musicians to base a steady income on, partly due to the fact of course that the Israeli Western oriented Ashkenazi culture at its best was indifferent and in many cases unmistakably hostile to the oriental cultural influx. What resulted was one general oriental music ensemble of the Israeli radio, in which all oriental regions and style were merged into a undistinguished soup. Nowadays, after the oriental Jewish emancipation movement, there is a renaissance of traditional oriental music, of which some interesting music originates, however especially in the Moroccan music, where contact with its mother country politically is not that problematic.

Still the older generations now on both sides recall with sadness and nostalgia the great shared past. So you could easily arrange the view of an honourable old Jewish Iraqi musician, Naim Razjwan, in a high tech supermarket in Tel Aviv, crying, while no-one can notice why, while he is listening through a Walkman to a rare duet by Nazem Al-Ghazali and Selima Murad.

Every now and then at international music conferences it was possible for both sides to meet.

So quite a few of the Iraqi Jewish musicians and music related people left Iraq. However the all time most popular female singer and Jewish singer, Selima Murad, stayed in her country and became probably more popular than ever. Although finally she died poor, like many artists, her name is still on everyone's lips.

And the Jewish former general director of the Baghdad Electricity Company, Naim Twenna, used to receive the likes of Mohammed Al-Qubanchi, Selima Murad and Nazem Al-Ghazali in his house for concerts, until 1975, and used to be acquainted with the current Iraqi president as well. After 1975 he left Iraq for London and Turkey, until after a few years when he went to Israel. He has now just retired as the head of the Arab music department of Israeli radio.

Among the singers which established themselves in Israel were the aforementioned maqam singers Yusuf Huraish , Salim Shibbeth, Yakoub Al-Imary and Hizkel Qassab. In relation to this theme it is worthwhile pointing again to the aforementioned brothers Saleh and Daud Al-Kuwaiti, composers of many pestehs, for instance for Zakiyah George, who, as mentioned above, had a relationship with Saleh, until his departure with his brother for Israel. But, for the reasons just explained, after their emigrations they did only some recordings, mainly for radio. However, among connoisseurs in Iraq, cassette copies of these recordings are highly valued.

What is Iraqi maqam?

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 30 May 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

A few pretty Israeli pop songs I've been into lately:

Tal Shegev - America in the Middle of Tel Aviv

Sarit Hadad - Mekudeshet (The chorus lyrics are from the Jewish wedding ceremony: "Marry me with this ring.")

Mordy, Sunday, 22 March 2009 08:58 (seventeen years ago)

Nico-Teen

this thread never flew but I thought the ak duck label had some interesting synthpop a couple of years ago but I didn't stay paying attention. Gelbart and Nico-Teen were pretty great.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Sunday, 22 March 2009 09:27 (seventeen years ago)

No reason it can't fly now. I'll post stuff that I like as I hear it. The real problem is how underdeveloped Israeli music is, particularly critically. Most of it never leaves Israel, and for instance, trying to find information on that Tal Segev track has been hellish. I want to know who the woman singing on the track is, and so I've started pestering my Israeli friends to try to find out for me. (No luck yet.) AFAIK, there's no Israeli music journalism, and though there's at least one Israeli music channel, they mostly play Mizrachi (read: ethnic) or boring soft Israeli indie rock style crap (which kinda characterizes the rest of Tal Segev's output).

Mordy, Sunday, 22 March 2009 09:30 (seventeen years ago)

Also, the new Useless ID album ("The Lost Broken Bones") is really great if you like that kind of stuff (pop-punk). Much better than, say, the new New Found Glory album. And it also got a United States release.

Mordy, Sunday, 22 March 2009 09:33 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.myspace.com/akduckrecords

Ghost Box -style library pop

Plaxico (I know, right?), Sunday, 22 March 2009 09:43 (seventeen years ago)

The Apples! (Kinda jazzy, turntable funk)
http://www.myspace.com/theapplesmusic

They have a debut on Freestyle Records coming out this year:
http://www.freestylerecords.co.uk/index.php?page=albums&pid=FSRCD041

Mordy, Sunday, 22 March 2009 09:47 (seventeen years ago)

(Sorry, already out!)

Mordy, Sunday, 22 March 2009 09:48 (seventeen years ago)

A little Metal thread / SXSW / Israeli Pop crossover:

http://www.myspace.com/midnightpeacocks

Mordy, Sunday, 22 March 2009 10:20 (seventeen years ago)

Not exactly pop music but I've heard monotonix are completely unhinged live: http://www.myspace.com/monotonix

Daniel Giraffe, Sunday, 22 March 2009 10:33 (seventeen years ago)

Super cutie (Katy Perry type aesthetics) pop:

http://www.myspace.com/emilykarpel

Mordy, Sunday, 22 March 2009 10:34 (seventeen years ago)

From Tel Aviv Boom Pam's self-titled debut (Essay Recordings, 2006). Promo sheet: " Along with two surf guitars, minamilist percussion and distinctive tuba comes a uniquie blend of Mediterranean, Balkan and Greek styles, sweetened with Jewish melodies and fattened up with cinematic circus music." Basically rock, big on Dick Dale, who always credited his Lebanese heritage as a big source of surf.

dow, Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:48 (seventeen years ago)

"From Tel Aviv" shoulda been followed by a comma; group's name is Boom Pam, and the album's pretty hot.

dow, Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:50 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

one israeli song a week: http://1israelisong.blogspot.com/

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)

I can't find a way to listen to Tal Segev - America b'Toch Tel Aviv anywhere online anymore. sadness.

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)

found one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAUWrHK9vI4

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kLnHzLNuT-M

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 01:10 (fourteen years ago)

Quite twisted Israeli pop, the best of its kind right now in Israel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT3KgPLdugo

cuteforce, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 02:44 (fourteen years ago)

Women in Israel protest for the right to sing in public:
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-703243

Mordy, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:16 (fourteen years ago)


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