Columbia House C/D

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Liberating the consumer and/or ripping off the artists?

Leee (Leee), Thursday, 23 January 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Underlying issue here as I see it is who should protect artists against piracy, rockist consumers like me or someone else?

Leee (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2003 01:03 (twenty-three years ago)

explain - piracy?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 24 January 2003 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)

as far as i know (and that's not very far), the royalty rates are actually better for artists from columbia house than the original labels.

your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 24 January 2003 01:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Really? I'd heard the opposite, that artists earn zero royalties on record club discs and that said discs are generally written off as "free". A search on "columbia house" + "royalties" turned up a few things, such as this.

Also, I have something like six discs that have begun to rot from the perimeter inward. Of those, most are Columbia House and BMG discs. (To be fair, most of the older discs I have are record club discs.)

Having said that, as a teenager clubs let me hear loads of music I otherwise might not have heard -- or at least music I wouldn't have been able to own (at retail prices) and thus build a strong relationship with.

Phil (phil), Friday, 24 January 2003 05:31 (twenty-three years ago)

discs that have begun to rot from the perimeter inward

i have three discs currently doing this. i have duplicated them in preparation for the inevitability they will end up unplayable.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 24 January 2003 05:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd heard the opposite, that artists earn zero royalties on record club discs and that said discs are generally written off as "free".

Back in the day, when this was an actual issue, it was explained that when bought through the "12 for a Penny" deals, the artists got nothing (written off as promotion), when they were bought at the usual club price, artists got half of what they would through a record store bought version of the same disc. This is why artists started having things written into their contracts that Columbia House versions of their albums wouldn't be released until around a year after release.

Also, I have something like six discs that have begun to rot from the perimeter inward. Of those, most are Columbia House and BMG discs.

I can't really imagine Sony/Warner Bros. and BMG are using different methods of manufacturing their discs through their clubs than they do for their discs sent through retail outlets. That must just be a coincidence.

Vic Funk, Friday, 24 January 2003 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't really imagine Sony/Warner Bros. and BMG are using different methods of manufacturing their discs through their clubs than they do for their discs sent through retail outlets. That must just be a coincidence.

Well, the problem with disc rot was due to lousy manufacturing conditions at a few very certain plants, I was led to understand. For a company like Columbia House, where they're giving away many of these CDs for a fraction of a penny, wouldn't it make sense to go with the cheapest manufacturing possible? (Provided, of course, that they're not manufactured at the same time as the regular retail versions?)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 24 January 2003 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Funny this should come up, since I belong to both CH and BMG's services (good way to get box sets, see) and I saw with amusement that apparently a class action lawsuit was filed and is now about settled which will entitle me to buy three CDs at half-off from each one without any further charges. A drop in the scheme of things but still bemusing!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 January 2003 15:45 (twenty-three years ago)

In my dealings with record clubs, it seems as if the post office is getting more royalties than the artists.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 24 January 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe it was just my imagination but growing up I always thought I noticed the Columbia House discs I had were kind of lower in volume, and of worse sound quality. Good to know that maybe there was a reason.

Carey, Friday, 24 January 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Target Shoots First"

Directed by: Christopher Wilcha
Starring: Christopher Wilcha, other employees of Columbia House Music Club
Rated: (unrated)
Content: some language
Running Time: 70 minutes

david day (winslow), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Columbia House has a terrible selection these days. BMG's is far superior, especially with regard to classical and 20th century music. Once I fulfill my obligation I don't intend to subscribe to CH again, but BMG is, as Ned pointed out, an especially good deal if you're looking to buy box sets. I got the Boulez/Webern set recently, and the giant Hank Williams box as well.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't really imagine Sony/Warner Bros. and BMG are using different methods of manufacturing their discs through their clubs than they do for their discs sent through retail outlets. That must just be a coincidence.

Possibly -- and many of my older discs are record club discs, so it's not really a fair comparison. On the other hand, I do remember repeatedly reading that the CD clubs press most of their own discs "in-house". One link I found indicated that something called the Digital Audio Disc Corporation in Terre Haute, IN presses "all the CDs for the Columbia House CD Club and most of the major labels" -- make of that what you will.

(Conversely, one of the more notorious epidemics of disc rot -- albeit rot of a different kind, "bronzing" -- was suffered by the Hyperion label, a very high-quality outfit whose discs generally go for US$16 and up.)

Phil (phil), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

but c'mon...6 LPs for 1 cent!

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

The Target Shoots First is pretty great. Surprising how many employess let themselves be filmed everyday.

Carey, Friday, 24 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know what manufacturing methods columbia house using in the US, but in Canada they are manufacturing discs at the Sony head office in Toronto, during the times when Sony isn't using the equipment. So if Columbia House discs in Canada are rotting, then maybe Sony discs are too.

Jonathan, Friday, 24 January 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

[i]Columbia House discs in Canada are rotting[/i]
Damn, what a great song title.

Carey, Friday, 24 January 2003 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I do know that there can be slightly different packaging, specifically the UPC bar code is sometimes different from retail ones.

Leee (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2003 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Columbia House is good for a while, but then you simply run out of stuff to buy.
Too bad I didn't get into Dylan right when I joined; I could have cleaned up.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Columbia House is good for a while

Marge: Homer, do you have an explanation for this bill?

Homer: Oh, it's that record club. The first nine were only a penny.
Then they jacked up the price! [breaks down crying] It's not fair! It's not fair, I tells ya!

Vic Funk, Friday, 24 January 2003 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe it was just my imagination but growing up I always thought I noticed the Columbia House discs I had were kind of lower in volume, and of worse sound quality

Hmm, sound quality I wouldn't necessarily notice, but volume I do - some of my discs are clearly quieter than others. I'm not sure it breaks down into Music Club v. Store Bought, though. Can anyone explain?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 25 January 2003 04:05 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
I have a question for you all: do you think I have to worry about my credit rating if I am in arrears to Columbia House?

The story is that they were continually screwing up my orders. Some would never arrived, although I'd be charged. A few took up to four months to arrive. Their customer service is nonexistent at this point: they no longer have a phone number I can call and speak with an actual person, and the customer service email is responded to my drones who send out form letters without having read the questions I've posed regarding the bad charges, etc.

Finally I asked to prematurely cancel my membership, but I stated in no uncertain terms that I would not like to be charged for the remaining full price items I needed to purchase. A representative wrote back and seemingly agreed to these terms, saying only that I had to return to them x number of CDs from my enrollment package, which I did. Today I receive an invoice saying that I need to order four more full-price CDs for the ridiculous total of $105.05 in order to extricate myself from the Club.

What I think I'm going to do is ignore this last invoice rather than try again to get through to the knuckleheads at their service department. If they choose to charge my card anyway, I will instruct my credit card company to challenge and eventually reverse the charges. I'll keep the invoice and emails as a paper trail, but will otherwise act like I have no relationship with CH whatever and certainly no financial obligation.

Is this a sound tactic?

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 March 2003 03:19 (twenty-three years ago)

nah, everyone's in debt to columbia house. it's not a big deal. it's a way of life.

for awhile i was buying copies of the flaming lips 'zaireeka' from them for 99 cents, then selling them on ebay for $40. i quit doing it when i got out of columbia house for good, but i kept the last copy of it. still never listened to it.

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 13 March 2003 03:34 (twenty-three years ago)

A representative wrote back and seemingly agreed to these terms, saying only that I had to return to them x number of CDs from my enrollment package, which I did
Today I receive an invoice saying that I need to order four more full-price CDs for the ridiculous total of $105.05 in order to extricate myself from the Club
Send the invoice back, along with a copy of the letter...

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 13 March 2003 12:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Myself and two of my cats are BMG members -- if BMG comes-a-calling, i'll rat-out SenΓ΅r Fluffy before you can say "Return To Sender".

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 13 March 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

If you just keep returning the automatic cds they send you every month (by forgetting to return the card), they'll eventually cut you loose...

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 13 March 2003 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

disc-rot: everyone knows about the early 90s UK discs made by PDO that rot, right? These are the only ones that I have actually seen rotting. But I'm sure it's possible that there are others out there, especially if they are from the early years of the CD. As far as the record club discs go, I assume they probably used cheaper LP pressing but as far as CDs go it should be the same. You could tell if you compared the regular LP release and the club edition that at least the printing on the jacket was worse on the club edition, lighter colors, thinner, etc. I never bothered to compare the sound but I generally avoid club editions. Hopefully they use the same glass masters for their CDs as the labels did, seems like that would be more efficient anyway. Also, i have seen some club editions where it was actually the regular release, with a small "CRC" sticker (columbia record club) - probably on ones they felt weren't worth pressing themselves (LPs). And it seems like Columbia at least had the regular version of all the CBS and other columbia releases, tho i'm not positive on that...

g (graysonlane), Thursday, 13 March 2003 17:33 (twenty-three years ago)

From my understanding, Columbia House will not affect your credit rating if you tell them to go fuck themselves. They're the weirdest company in the world; I was actually in deep crap with them for the longest time over an unpaid bill of $3, and they actually threatened a collection agency over the whole deal. I strung them out for 6 months on this as a matter of principle (I'd paid $125 out of $128, mistakenly, and they froze my account waiting for the additional $3). Finally I got tired of the whole deal and sent them a check for $3 along with an account cancellation request. Two months later I received a notice telling me that I was a valued member, and they'd love to have me back. Of course I started sending back all of these requests using their pre-paid envelopes asking them how, if I was such a valued member, they treated the ones they didn't like. (I also used to paste all of those little stickers you use to select your albums on a separate sheet of paper under the heading LEARN TO RECOGNIZE THE MANY FACES OF SATAN, and include that in the mail-back.)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 13 March 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course, I'm a dink, so.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 13 March 2003 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

nineteen years pass...

my cds haven't arrived yet i order in 1998 can you resend

and the worms, they entered his ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 August 2022 18:21 (three years ago)

to better assist you, can you please list the contents of your order?

γƒŸπŸ’™πŸ…Ÿ πŸ…› πŸ…€ πŸ…‘ πŸ…œ πŸ…‘πŸ’™ε½‘ (Austin), Monday, 29 August 2022 18:58 (three years ago)

I discovered a shit ton of music through Columbia House and RCA in the 70s and early 80s.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 29 August 2022 18:59 (three years ago)

I thought BMG was the better club, at least during the CD era - only 1 overpriced CD as a membership obligation while Columbia House had something like 6. Columbia House once had Columbia/CBS/Sony titles exclusive to their club, but that was no longer the case in the '00s, possibly due to the Sony and BMG merger.

birdistheword, Monday, 29 August 2022 19:04 (three years ago)

to better assist you, can you please list the contents of your order?

― γƒŸπŸ’™πŸ…Ÿ πŸ…› πŸ…€ πŸ…‘ πŸ…œ πŸ…‘πŸ’™ε½‘ (Austin), Monday, August 29, 2022 2:58 PM bookmarkflaglink

Starland Vocal Band - Greatest Hits
Santana - Supernatural
Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up the Girl

and the worms, they entered his ass (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 August 2022 19:06 (three years ago)

well the good news is that i found your order and will resend it asap. the bad news is that you're also getting a copy of yourself or someone like you by mnatchbox twenty.

γƒŸπŸ’™πŸ…Ÿ πŸ…› πŸ…€ πŸ…‘ πŸ…œ πŸ…‘πŸ’™ε½‘ (Austin), Monday, 29 August 2022 19:23 (three years ago)

natchbox twenty: they play the same chord progression and tempo on every song.

γƒŸπŸ’™πŸ…Ÿ πŸ…› πŸ…€ πŸ…‘ πŸ…œ πŸ…‘πŸ’™ε½‘ (Austin), Monday, 29 August 2022 19:24 (three years ago)

Snatchbox 20

Mar - a - Lago, or 120 Days of Sodom (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 30 August 2022 02:47 (three years ago)

If it wasn't for Columbia House, I very likely would not own my own personal copy of Feels So Good by Chuck Mangione.

pplains, Tuesday, 30 August 2022 15:00 (three years ago)


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