who's heard the audio bullys album then ?

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and how is it ?
have only heard 'snow' 'ego war'
and the singles - all ace.

'the things' is meant to be acer than ace.
it's on soulseek but there's always like,
a queue of 185 other kids.

pisceseboy, Friday, 24 January 2003 10:59 (twenty-three years ago)

me! it's grate!

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 24 January 2003 11:01 (twenty-three years ago)

well ?
details !

piscesboy, Friday, 24 January 2003 11:06 (twenty-three years ago)

only played it once, need to do so again but am swamped with assignment-listening (reviews due etc.)

I'll try to post back soon unless I'm beaten to it

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 24 January 2003 11:35 (twenty-three years ago)

'The Things' sounds cool, i've heard it a couple of times although it doesnt seem to stick in my head quite like the glorious 'Snow'

there's also 'Miagi' and 'The Beginning' doing the rounds - the latter harks back to Dee Patten's 'WHo's The Badman' a little i seem to recall

hopefully they'll release 'Snow' with 'The Things' next - 'Ego War' is great but perhaps not a single...the album should be out in March/April - roll on...

stevem (blueski), Friday, 24 January 2003 11:49 (twenty-three years ago)

SUIT ONE "Who's this Streets guy then who seems to be popular with the cashpoints, I mean, urm, kids . . .?"

SUIT TWO "I don't know, Quispian, but he seems a bit too clever, he's got opinions and things and he seems pro-drugs. An association with him might mean we sell less Corrs albums"

SUIT ONE "I like the Corrs"

SUIT TWO "So do I"

SUIT ONE "I know lets get some no-brainer no-talent idiots and get them to do something similar but less contravesial. Dumb it down a bit too so Joe CreditDetails doesn't have to think about the content"

SUIT TWO "Bonza idea, Quispian, now lets load up on rohypnol, go down the Met bar and indulge in some fcuk alcopops and date rape"

SUIT ONE "Excellent, I've not done that for a few hours . . . "

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh for fuck sake, ignoring the fact that any parody of "those fat cat record execs" is about as interesting as painting skirting boards white, the Audio Bullys are house, the Streets aren't. So if you don't like that that's fine but spare us these constant bullshit comparisons with acts from totally different genres who also happen to have a fucking London accented MC. I mean this must be the 10th time! AUDIO BULLYS ARE HOUSE, HENCE THE 4/4, and though I don't think there's anything fucking controversial about the Streets in the first place I resent the suggestion that a totally different act is somehow dumbed down just cos you don't like them. Apples and oranges.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean this is typical of what happened when the bloody Streets album itself came out, people expecting to like it because of the hype when they probably never listened to the style of music anyway and then making all sorts of snide comments when it turned out they didn't actually like the thing at all, just because something manages to permeate the mainstream through hype or acclaim doesn't mean it will automatically become appealing to any of us, not least those of us who aren't interested in the scene it came from in the first place. That's the other thing, Audio Bullys aren't doing anything particularly new, it's no surprise that eventually after 3 or 4 years dirty house has a mainstream popular album act.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

lynskey that's nonsense.
the ab's singles/e.p. stuff was
around at the same time as
'original pirate material' last year.

there's nothing that even hints at controversy
about the streets, any more than there was about
pulp's 'sorted..' if you were referring to the
drug talk.

dumbing down ? the met bar ? the corrs ?
christ lynskey you're sooooo '97.

piscesboy, Friday, 24 January 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Aw shucks. At least I touched a nerve, mission accomplished.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 24 January 2003 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah I wouldn't bother setting your sights any higher if that's the usual standard of hackneyed crap you come out with.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 24 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Ooohh. Touchy. I'd say the same about the AudioBullys, mind.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 24 January 2003 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)

And setting my sight higher than what? Posting on an internet bulletin board?

Oh, Ronan, do you know how I slaved over that little skit? The re-writes, the re-drafts, the thesauri? How can you be so cruel about my very own "Paradise Lost", the greatest and most important prose of my life? All I ever wanted in my whole existance was to write a little skit about the fucking AudioBullys and my otherwise meaningless life would've been complete . . . .

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 24 January 2003 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

So has anyone heard the AudioBully's album then?

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 24 January 2003 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

have you decided which one of those 3 is your rebuttal yet?

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 24 January 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah. Don't plan on doing either. I'll leave that up to you. I do hope you find them to be well written pieces of F. Scott Fitzgerald proportions which do not just inform you, but strike you with the inate beauty of the world and music in particular.

I wrote the first as a knee jerk, the second when I realised when what a jackass you were being and the third when I thought I'd killed the thread.

The annotated Letts Guides about my posts are now availiable on Amazon, with introductions by Saul Bellow, Salman Rushdie and William fucking Shakespeare. A BBC video series accompanying my posts is planned for the autumn, presented by Ric Flair and features the best CGI since "Talos the Mummy".

If you could, Mr. Keating, could you tell me which one of your two consecutive posts I should read and which I should discard. I would also appreciate a bibliography on them both (be thorough please).

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 24 January 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

ive heard a few tracks. we dont care is great in that first big single kinda way, you know, where it loses its sheen quite quickly due to overplay. Snow (is this the next single?) is GREAT! skanky house, slighty jaxx, the vox low in the mix which works quite well. i heard 2 other tracks but they werent as good, one was ok, the other had these vox which sounded like Ian Brown.

so a mixed bad so far, but i'll be looking out for more

gareth (gareth), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

the version of snow ive got has got like a radio guy at the beginning going "this ones called snow, sent out a couple limited edition copies of this. on white vinyl. wont be in the shops for a little while", i so wish this was part of the song, it fits so well!

gareth (gareth), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

i'd been told the audio bullys were the new "electronic punk" or maybe that's "punk electronica" but on first listen - the only one i've had, mind you - i was pretty bored by the whole affair. and yes, the comparison with the streets is inevitable, at least in the US where droney english patter isn't so commonplace (and i'm not sure they're so different, since audio bullys are house, and the streets is, or at least once was, garage, which is just another kind of house). and so while i'm indulging in comparisons, i was reminded how the streets came off to me, at first listen and long afterwards, as fairly witty and personable, whereas the audio bullys just seemed rather pat and a bit tiresome. the tunes didn't really shine for me either; if i want "dirty house" i'll listen to freaks or theo parrish.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 25 January 2003 03:22 (twenty-three years ago)

that freaks album is fucking great

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 25 January 2003 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Oi Matos, I'm halfway towards concurring (and only 'halfway' because I've heard mere snippets).

WHAT'S THE POINT

(thumpaboinkableepetc)

WHAT'S THE POINT

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 25 January 2003 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i heard some other tracks now. none are as good as snow

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 25 January 2003 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the thing is that the vocals are just fx and not really too important. I also think suggesting garage is another kind of house is a bit off the wall, given that it's UK garage we're talking about and not paradise yadda yadda.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 25 January 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

ronan did you get that Audio Bullys essential mix converted to minidisc/audio CD yet?

i want the Audio Bullys to be MORE than JUST house btw, but perhaps this wont actually happen...'Intro', 'Real Life' and 'Ego War' use a shuffling electro beat rather than straight out 4/4...i want more dub and old skool rave elements if poss.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm beginning to think they're a bit monotonous.
'the things' just goes on and on and round and round
with no purpose and not enough in the endlessly repeated
lyric to sustain a whole song. 'streets' comparisons should
extend only as far as the accents. i love 'snow' though,
and yeah the mp3 that's going about is from their
essential mix.
shame that ace 'this one's called...' intro won't be on the lp.

piscesboy, Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

well we're still talking about DANCE music for CLUBS really so perhaps you can excuse the 'round and round'/monotonous nature of the tracks...i would like a bit more going on tho admittedly

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 26 January 2003 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Gareth says the rest of the album is Death in Vegas style and less house, still not heard snow, I'd go see them DJ in a second though.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 26 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

nb...i have never heard death in vegas! but it sounds like i'd imagine them to sound like

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)

ive heard 'the things' and 'ego war' now.

the things is ok, it reminds me of the specials ghost town (i never got the streets as the specials thing, but it makes a little more sense here).

the whole thing seems to be late nite drive hazeeee stick, blow out the smoke...

no so sure about ego war. its all ok, but may be a grower, none are as immediate as Snow though

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

'Ego War' is the most Streets-like for me, the lyrics esp. - i could see Skinner doing a track like that easily

i'm finding it all quite immediate, but yeh 'Snow' has got that brass hook that just rubber-stamps the 'This is a boomin' house track so dance you plum' vibe :)

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

anybody who invests in the audio bullys is gonna end up disappointed.

michael wells (michael w.), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm investing in pumpkins...i reckon they're gonna peak sometime in november so i'll cash in big time then

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 26 January 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

you should invest in pumpkins rather than audio bullys. tell yr friends!!

michael wells (michael w.), Sunday, 26 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh someone has the album on soulseek! this appears to be the tracklisting:

01. Snake
02. 100 Million
03. Way Too Long
04. Real life
05. We Don't Care
06. Face In A Cloud
07. The Things
08. Veteran
09. The Snow
10. I Go To Your House
11. Hit The Ceiling
12. Ego War (with possible extra/bonus track)

so no room for 'Intro' or 'Tyson Shuffle' from the Real Life EP or 'Plugged In', 'Miagi' and 'The Beginning' from the Muzik 'Hooligan House' CD

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 26 January 2003 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

No Miagi???? Mentalists!!! Anyway the next big hope for the year is Hystereo y'all, straight outta Dublin, dance capital of Europe, fighting recession and haters to keep "the vibe" felt.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 26 January 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

seen their new website? a bit annoying (bloody pop-ups, tiny text/graphics on hi-res, arse!) but they were giving away 'Snow' for download over Christmas it seems - bastads. it doesnt seem to work now tho, they want your mobile number but the send link is broken.

still you can listen to some of the album tracks on it (via RealPlayer) - and 'The Things' is the new single after all

stevem (blueski), Monday, 27 January 2003 01:12 (twenty-three years ago)

i love the bit where he goes
'ooh...ah...ooh...ah' like that on 'ego war'
lester bangs could write 2 thousand words
on just that bit.

piscesboy, Monday, 27 January 2003 13:59 (twenty-three years ago)

that 'ooh....ah...ooh....ah' bit was also used on 'Intro' which was one of the reasons i liked that so much - in fact 'intro' is probably the definitive amalgamated Bullys track as it also features the 'from man to man, kid to gran, sid to stan, whats the plan, under a grand now! now we're walking away from the herd' lyric they keep dropping on all their track when DJing/MCing

stevem (blueski), Monday, 27 January 2003 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

if you wanna hear 'Intro' but can't find it its on the 'Yellowmix part 1' Dj Spec mix: http://www.base58.com/spec_yellowmix_part1_hi.mp3 - mixed with Joyce Sims of all things

stevem (blueski), Monday, 27 January 2003 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

four weeks pass...
listening some more and boy I like this album. sounds like what I always wished the Lo Fidelity Allstars did. "The Snow" is indeed the best track, Gareth, but I like "I Go to Your House" (best Happy Mondays tribute I've ever heard) and "Ego War" nearly as much. and they've apparently just added a couple more tracks to the final release, which I'm waiting to hear!

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:28 (twenty-three years ago)

lo fidelity allstars you say. hmm.

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Matos is OTM, my only gripe is they havent quite got dirty enough on this album and a bit more variation would be nice but this is a DANCE album first and foremost - 'Hit The Ceiling' should rock floors as much as 'We Don't Care' in not more so

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

oh and the second Lo Fis album is tres under-rated i say!

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...
What the faaaaack?

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 31 May 2003 03:44 (twenty-three years ago)

any more verdicts? can we argue about these again.


Snow is gasping for a release in time for the summer. Also I didn't notice the ludicrous inclusion of the freaks and theo parrish here 4 months ago.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

bring it on Linus Lover, i am disappointed the Bullys don't come off as convincingly as perhaps they could, all their 4/4 tracks are excellent tho - i only really have a slight problem with '100 Million' (the chorus is atrocious) and Simon's lyrics in general could be improved but he's young and not 'gully' like Dizzee so what can you do? and they should've used filthier basslines generally - Tom Dinsdale is well capable of this, and annoyingly there aren't any remixes of them yet which could spice things up more. still its a fairly promising debut - not sure where they can take things next conceptually and lyrically but fucking it up more sonically would be nice.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 June 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Still not feeling it.

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 8 June 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

'its a Lundun fing' part 2317

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 June 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

but Dizzee is a London thing as well so i dont really get why 'Boy In The Corner' gets people creaming while 'Ego War' gets a lukewarm 'meh' generally. it feels like most people feel like they're supposed to rate what Dizzee and co. are doing more cos its rawer, more street etc. but its certainly no REALER than 'Ego War' and the latter is arguably a more professional production (not strictly relevant). i guess to the external voyeur the inner city is fundamentally more interesting than suburbia which is the real divide between the two works. but 'Boy In The Corner' sticks to the vague rules of the hiphop-dancehall/garage connection while 'Ego War' follows more of a disco-house-indiedance path so comparing the two makes no real sense, only i find the difference in reaction to the two acts on ILM curious (altho 'The Snow' is generally lauded, almost as much as 'I Luv U').

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 8 June 2003 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)

meh... (except "The Snow")

Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 9 June 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

right now i'm pretty 'meh' to 'Boy In The Corner' except for 'I Luv U' myself

stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 June 2003 09:32 (twenty-three years ago)

they did a track at hermlands (wasn't there - heard on radio 1)
called 'that piano thing' (or fing as he pronounces it)which was
just old skool house piano to the max. it was ace.
can't believe it's not on the record.

piscesboy, Monday, 9 June 2003 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

i can't imagine they're very good live because of the vocals, i don't feel the need to see them live at all altho i would def go see them DJ (based on their Essential Mix earlier this year in which Simon kept the MCing to a fair minimum)

stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 June 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I'v just heard it for the first time, i think its OK. There's a preformance they've made for MTV2, i'v never seen it myself but i'm sure they'll rerun it. "the snow" is ok, "ego war" i like better and "real life" is my fav here.

Jrvision (visionjr), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I've still only heard one tune, We Don't Care, which of course is k-rub and the fear that the rest of the album will end up sounding like Campag Velocet is stopping me from going out and actually buying it.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)

philistine

stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 June 2003 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)

So does the fact that I like "I Go to Your House" best mean I'm not-getting something?

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 9 June 2003 16:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Everything I've heard so far is beyond classic. "The Things" is what I wanted The Streets to sound like; THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS MORE KICK-DRUM AND MORE METALLIC REVERB.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

i like it, but something is keeping me from really connecting to it

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

house is percieved as safe I think, compared to garage which isn't. the two are different enough that I think it's hard to blame dizzee fans for not liking audio bullys, or vice versa. I like both personally.

There's also the inevitable bitterness about the fact that a house act like Audio Bullys has got almost as much hype as Dizzee, though this strikes me as another red herring in the great rough trade wars of 2003 etc etc.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 9 June 2003 17:53 (twenty-three years ago)

but Ronan its surely wrong to think of Audio Bullys as a house act when thats only half the story on their album. 'face in a cloud' has a great garage/2-step beat and 'veteran' and 'way too long' are similarly structured. these tracks are all about as good as each other, and the 4/4 stompers 'hit the ceiling' and 'i go to your house' are barely inferior to 'the snow' also.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah I think loosely though they are a house act, I mean the phrase "dirty house" I used was then ridiculed slightly on the last thread but the reason it is so adequate for Audio Bullys and a great deal of other stuff is that it implies a mongrelised final product, bits of garage, bits of samba, bits of hiphop, bits of techno, bits of even rock at this point.

The only remotely pure or original thing going on in real dancefloor house music is filter disco.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

bits of garage, bits of samba, bits of hiphop, bits of techno, bits of even rock at this point.

and yet they're so not Basement Jaxx, curious...

stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 June 2003 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

scratch my "audio bullys and a great deal of other stuff"


dirty house is basically everything being played in clubs with a 4/4 beat.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

and yet they're so not Basement Jaxx, curious...

They are Basement Jaxx as soccer hooligans!

Suddenly I understand exactly why I like them so much.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

And why ILM hates them so much, simultaneously

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

probably a fair description there Dan, gotta love those soccer hooligans eh?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 June 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I got a promo of the album off a stall in Greenwich market for a quid.
Don't suppose they'll give me my money back?

peter dee (peter dee), Monday, 9 June 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

When their music is this great, yes.

It's all about having heavier beats, I think; lately I've been warming to "Don't Mug Yourself" solely because of the bombastic beat.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 9 June 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

the Bullys need heavier/dirtier basslines and glitchy/jaxxy sounds, and perhaps some better lyrics - simple as that

stevem (blueski), Monday, 9 June 2003 21:08 (twenty-three years ago)

With dirtier bass and bigger breaks, they could be a new Prodigy (which they always reminded me of).

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 9 June 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

the glichy sounds are all over "real life". a lot of it is below the surface in the backround too. I think i'm begining to like "the snow" better, its like Kool and The Gang crossed with Basement Jaxx.

Jrvision (visionjr), Monday, 9 June 2003 21:33 (twenty-three years ago)

"Real Life" is the only tune I've heard apart from "We Don't Care", and I really enjoy its bludgeoning quality - it's more minimal and tracky than I'd expect from a group described the way Audio Bullys are. In that sense maybe they're a bit like Underworld - whose appeal to non-dance fans always k-mystified me.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 9 June 2003 23:35 (twenty-three years ago)

whose appeal to non-dance fans always k-mystified me

It's the theoretical poetry and trance-in-the-not-dance-sense-of-the-word. You know, Krautrock for red lights and speed limits.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 01:41 (twenty-three years ago)

But Ned actual Underworld music is neither of those things.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Shh, you're giving it away!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 04:15 (twenty-three years ago)

as i said on the latest Pop Eye thread 'The Snow' rules because it combines 'Cuba' with 'Theme From SWAT' (the bassline in the middle 8) with a general Basement Jaxxy vibe and some wistful lament vocals you'd usually expect to find on some old indie tune.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah I agree Tim, how did a fairly dark and quite progressive band become so big?

I guess the lyrics and vocals have a huge amount to do with it, and perhaps the live shows.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

cursed lager

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I've listened to the album a few times now. Matos was way OTM with his comparison to Lo-Fidelity Allstars - this is very much like the Lo-Fi's first album (which I think fits Ronan's definition of "dirty house" as much as it does big beat - and likewise Audio Bullys fit big beat as much as they do dirty house) crossed with The Streets - sorry Ronan, but it is. Much stronger UK Garage influence than I expected, though i think they work slightly better with a house groove... although "The Tyson Shuffle" reminds me of Jaxx's "S.F.M." in the best possible sense!

I'm surprised by how clean-sounding it all is, "Real Life" excepted (ironically, being the electro track) - not thuggish at all, almost prissy! I can def. see Dan's point about it being an Original Pirate Material for those who are about to dance.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Obv. everyone is dead-right re: "The Snow". Chances of me not playing this track at every party ever = slim to none.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 June 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Also does anyone else agree that the best moment in "We Don't Care" is when it temporarily gets all lush and sexy?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 June 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes it is more like the Streets than I thought, I guess I'd been led astray by the Muzik mix. But right let me deal with the comparison like a rational adult. The idea first that it's the Streets housed for peoples comfort or safety is the biggest dig I guess. I think really though the hype surrounding the Streets is more damaging to the Audio Bullys than vice versa, Skinner can do no wrong, Audio Bullys aren't loved exactly.

I think though as I say the real difference is that Ego War is a clubbing album, a rave album or an ecstacy album in a way that Original Pirate Material isn't. Perhaps I say this just because I am a clubbing type and I like Snow more than anything on OPM, but I don't think it's projection on my part. I don't want to over do this post cos I really want to write about this album at length.

My line all along has been that this wouldn't be an album which would surprise haters, Original Pirate Material was a kind of across the board appeal and difficult to categorise. I think Ego War is coming from a clubbing/rave niche and I can imagine so many people from that background loving it.

People talk about post club albums or sounds of paranoia or whatever but that's all utter shite to me and others like me, why would I put on some non electronic music during the week as some kind of downtime. Ego War is exactly what a "post club album" should be, non mixed but with a club vibe, a fine conceptual work with character which contrasts it with the relatively faceless 12 inch culture, but not in any major musical sense.

Perhaps I exaggerate but I'm loving the album.


I suspect in some sense I'm wrong with the dirty house thing too, at least in the way I meant it. It's not a mongrel sound at all really, not in the sort of magpie way I expected from the mix. I guess an artist album and a DJ mix are different enough from scratch anyway. So I hold my hands up! It is as Tim says quite prim and proper, they certainly aren't lairy behind the production desk anyway.

It's also quite an emotional album isn't it? I mean it is thuggish in some sense, but it's more a glorious reflection on the dark side, the whole thug thing is obviously a persona but I like the implication that part of being a young man is coming to terms with that caricature and overcoming it or not.

Does it strike a chord with anyone else when I say that it seems a very MASCULINE album if not a thuggish one. Eminem talks about hiphop as a display of masculinity or whatever but I can't remember ever thinking an album was notably masculine before.

And am I the only one who absolutely loves the vocals?


I have alot more to say on this, I might even break my no free writing rule and do a piece. I think it's a personal enough like for FT. Quite excited actually!

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 June 2003 10:25 (twenty-three years ago)

er....sorry about my wacky spacing

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 June 2003 10:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronan have you heard How To Operate With A Blown Mind (the Lo-Fi's first album) - it is the very essence of a "post-club album", and stuff like "Blisters on my Brain" is almost a blueprint for "Snow" and the other fucked-up house tracks at the end of Ego War. I think the Lo-Fi's connection is much stronger than The Streets one... not least b/c the Audio Bully's singer sounds bang-on like the erstwhile vocalist for Lo-Fi's but not that much like Mike Skinner.

Anyway, here's what Reynolds said on the Lo-Fi's album back in the day which sums it up quite well, and could also be applied exactly to Ego War:

"Ranging from the cantakerous B-line rumble "Kool Roc Bass" through the vandalized disco of "Blisters on My Brain" to the soiled supper club balladry of "I Used To Fall In Love" (Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes in an abbatoir), Lo-Fidelity Allstars's debut How To Operate with A Blown Mind is an oxymoronic masterpiece of "darkside big beat". It documents the normalized malaise of British polydrug culture, where clubbers no longer exalt being "loved-up" on E but instead boast about getting "messy" on a cocktail of diverse chemicals. Song titles like "Blisters On My Brain" and "How To Operate With A Blown Mind" suggest that the Lo-Fis are drawing on inside knowledge: "Blisters" sees Dave Randall gibbering about "injecting a rush/sniffing lunar dust" and "getting scrambled on one." But the album also deals in bluer modes of spiritual disarray, picking up where the Chemical Brothers and Noel Gallagher's "Setting Sun" left off --"the visions we had have faded away". Hence the mindwrecked confusion and numb despondency of "Nightime"--framed in Spiritualized-style ambient gospel backing that pivots around a desolate sample from The Three Degrees, the singer wonders "What's it all gonna mean/When audio psychosis spills from the speaker's cones/And you can hear the music tear/Tearing through your bones?". If you've spent the night partying like there's no tomorrow, what happens when tomorrow inevitably arrives? If you can't somehow integrate the blissed-out utopianism of the rave dancefloor into everyday life, you return to a reality that only feels even bleaker than before. Lo-Fidelity Allstars don't have any answers to these quandaries, with which many of their generation are currently grappling. But the band's turbulent sound and dark vision indicate a path beyond the impasses that have stalled dance culture in its tracks these last few years--what Jon Savage, writing about "Setting Sun", called an exhaustion within Ecstasy culture. "

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 22 June 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i've always thought 'How To Operate...' was under-rated personally, and with a generally dark tone punctuated by bursts of euphoric solace (intro to 'laser sheep dip funk', intro to the 'i used to fall in love', 'organ solo on 'battleflag' esp.). i think it was a sound that depsite being tied to the big beat banner had potential for further development and if Dinsdale and Franks made their next album more in that vein then i'd be delighted.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 22 June 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I dont't understand that this thread can have gone so long without anyone mention that the Chelsea sample on Way Too Long is best thing ever, even if it is the shortest track on the album.

And Ronan getting two-thirds of the way down a thread about the album without having heard it = confirmation of his place at the cutting edge of dance rockism (sorry man, I love you but it's true)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

er yeah, obviously me having heard all the 12s and Dj mixes is proof of this.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it, but only when I don't listen to closely. It's great summer music.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait Ronan, are you trying to say you aren't a dancist because you've heard all of the DJ mixes????????????

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I meant I'm not a rockist cos of that! I actually don't have a clue what I mean really.


Let me just say while I'm on this thread that the Bullys were great at Glastonbury and absolutely tore the place up. Better than Mikey Skinner anyday. But then fucking Mint Royale were better than Mikey Skinner.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

What I meant is that you're "yeah, my opinions may be wrong, but they were right when I made them, which is two months before the rest of you!"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 3 July 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm really happy I made that Lo-Fi's comparison. (For the record I dislike the first LFAS album and enjoy the second, particularly the massively underrated "Feel What I Feel.")

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 3 July 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

walking along Queen St today - Ego War was playing in both Sounds (Nz's biggest music chain) & Marbecks (aimed at businessmen on lunchbreaks & thirtysomethings+).

Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 4 July 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm still trying to work out who Steve is..

"will you leave with me, or will you leave with Steve"

"have you seen where Steve has been?" "well i seen him round the way if you know what i mean"

stevem (blueski), Friday, 4 July 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

leave mikey alone !!!
grrrrrrrrr i can't *stand* anti-streets sentiments
of any kind. the *sound* was off for the first
few tracks, granted, but *boy* did it kick
into gear after that. mint royale only did one track
after the 1st album ! how shit's that ?

please god don't let them turn into groove armada.

piscesboy, Friday, 4 July 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)


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