The Jimmy Fallon Situation = Beck's "Debra"

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If anybody saw the SNL Weekend Update Halftime Show, you know of which I speak.

I wonder what Beck thought about that.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 18:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I dug on his dance moves.

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I hate Jimmy Fallon.

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 27 January 2003 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing is, I've seen Beck doing "Debra" in concert going through a quite similar set of dance moves.

Whatevah, I still think Jimmy Fallon-as-news-anchor is Where It's At!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:24 (twenty-three years ago)

*throws pencil at camera*

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I also hate Jimmy Fallon. He always starts laughing in the middle of a sketch. Always. But especially if Horatio Sanz is in the sketch. Very nearly untalented.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Fallon sucks. The whole thing with SNL right now (Simpsons is in a similar predicament) is that all the people involved believe so much that they're part of an Institution that they spend too much effort revering it and none actually making s-h-i-t happen.

Horatio Sanz(abelt) and Tracy Morgan are the only funny things about current SNL.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Eh, I don't agree, I think SNL's current cast is one of the best evah.

Howevah, they're musical guest lineups have been mostly atrocious for some time now.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course, I also listen to They Might Be Giants, so my taste is "questionable" at best...

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Jimmy Fallon is great, only he needs to realize that he's not personally very funny: wonderful in context, but not the guy to make you laugh on his own.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually like a majority of the cast right now, although they're running out of ideas for sketch material at a pretty rapid clip. Note to Lorne Michaels: Bump Fred Armisen up to regular cast status.

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracy Morgan is a comic god. I also have to say that one of the funniest SNL skits I've ever seen was the Old Black Lady Trophy Wife skit (The Falconer comes close, though).

Jimmy Fallon and Tina Fey RULE Weekend Update.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracy Morgan is the best thing on that show

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracey Morgan is the shit, no doubt.

I think my fav Tracey Morgan skit was the Uncle Jemima's Mash Liquor advert.

If only they could pay Christopher Walken enough to be a full-fledged cast member. The Continental? "Have some sham-pawg-nyuh."

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

My general take on current SNL cast:
Every female SNL cast member = very funny and underrated.
Every male SNL cast member = not very funny and overrated.
Seriously, there is not one unfunny female SNL cast member right now. It's weird.

More specifically:
Tracy Morgan and Horatio Sanz are ok, just overrated. I like Chris Parnell, though his Bush impression is very weak. They should just can the political impressions in general and stick to weird absurdist stuff like "The Falconer." The Ray Liotta episode was the most consistently funny one in a while. Tina Fey rocks hardcore. Chris Kattan and Darrell Hammond should leave the show, they've been there too long and lost whatever funniness they had. And I am a big fucking dork.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Christopher Walken is hosting some time in February, Mya Rudolph is the only one with any talent in the current cast.

Vic Funk, Monday, 27 January 2003 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't see how Maya Rudolph could possibly be underrated as everyone I know (including myself) loves her to pieces.

God, this weekend I was crying because I'd forgotten how hilarious The Falconer was. Also, the Missy Elliott workout tape!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know, maybe this is sensitive, in-touch-with-my-feminine-side Nick talking, but I just don't feel like the female cast gets bred for superstardom like the male cast does (like J. Fallon obviously is). Not so much whether people like them, but in terms of media attention and non-SNL projects that they get.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Maya Rudolph used to play in the Rentals (just found that out).

Now that the ominous spectre of Will Ferrell no longer inhibits the weekly shenanigans, I think a lot of the other male cast members are scrambling to find footing and further develop their personalities. Horatio gets funnier every season, and Tracy Morgan has mastered the art of the nonsense skit ("Brian Fellows' Safari Planet!"). Chris Kattan hasn't been funny since he was playing the gibberish guy (thank God I haven't seen a "Mango" skit in a while). Parnell, as the most utilitarian player in the cast, falls way short of filling Phil Hartman's shoes. Darrell Hammond is there for impressions and impressions only -- if they cut those out, he'd lose his job. A lot of the featured players are being put to good use, though. Seth Myers, Fred Armisen, Dean Edwards (his Don Cheadle impersonation during the half-time show was great). Wouldn't miss Jeff Edwards that much if he left. "Drunk Girl" is horrible.

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

inhibits = inhabits (although, he may have inhibited them too).

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I think inhibits makes more sense.

I forgot about Brian Fellows Safari Planet. OK, Morgan can stay. "That bird is NOT Brian Fellows!"

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

See? COMIC GENIUS!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

WHY do people think Jimmy Fallon is funny? What exactly is funny about him? I don't get him at all. He's a cute face, I guess, which is fine. But he so fucking obvious, always has been. Even less funny than Neil Hamburger and David Cross COMBINED. But maybe I don't get them either. (Actually, I'm not sure I even know who David Cross IS.) Anyway, can somebody please EXPLAIN why they think Fallon is funny?

jeri curlan, Monday, 27 January 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Cause sometimes he does or says things, and I laugh?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I like him in two modes:

- Deadpan Weekend Update Delivery Mode
- Nonplussed Straight Man Mode

When he's trying too hard to be wacky, he gets grating. Also, his musical impressions are good but they aren't THAT good. I also hate it when he starts laughing during a sketch.

(Actually, one of the reasons I think "Snowball" works so well is because he does it so deadpan. None of his other songs are nearly as successful.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Matthew Perpetua once said that Jimmy Fallon is the poor man's Mike Myers; a sentiment I agree with. While Mike Myers has fallen far from the pedestal he once occupied, he was at one point the sole driving force of SNL. Fallon is funny to those young enough to not have watched Myers-era episodes during their original broadcasts.

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, what good does it do if he's deadpan-delivering REALLY BAD LINES? Is it just that people excuse the shitty WRITING on weekend update these days? And haven't, like, fifty weekend update people done the deadpan thing BEFORE him? (Tho aybe that's Paul's point.) And which musical impressions are funny in a higher than, say, EIGHTH-GRADE TALENT SHOW type sense? Certainly not the Mick Jagger one. Ick.

jeri curlan, Monday, 27 January 2003 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Fallon is not funny. He is cute. People who are attracted to cute men like him. I don't like cute men = I don't like Jimmy Fallon. People who like Fallon because he's cute = ok, as long as they admit it. People who like Fallon because he's cute but act like it's because he's funny = dud.
Fallon would be ok in Weekend Update, except he's paired with Tina Fey, who totally kicks his ass and probably writes his jokes.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"Brian Fellow's Safari Planet" is comedic gold. Even though Tracy Morgan basically does the same thing every sketch, I laugh 'til it hurts - something I haven't done with SNL in a decade.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought the Mick-Jagger-looking-in-the-mirror bit Fallon did was great, and the teenage bfriend/gfriend thing he does with Rachel "Zazoo" Dratch is classic!

I can understand the not-finding-him-funny thing, though, too. Just why the hate-on for those who do find him funny?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, just admit you have a gay crush on him and get it over with. And then go see "Boat Trip."

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah... :)

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Personally, I think the Weekend Update writing is funnier than it's been in years (possibly the funniest since Dennis Miller left). Saturday's rerun had a classic Jimmy line:

"Jeb Bush won a close race in Florida, avoiding a potential embarrassment to President Bush, who poured $30 million into his brother's campaign (most of which seems to have gone towards pies)."

I was in hysterics.

Also, his Dave Matthews impersonation is so completely OTM that it's frightening.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Jimmy Fallon is no Ashton Kutcher

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Oooh, I finally just read the bit about Walken hosting in February! I hope they do The Continental!

"Wowwee zowwee!"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)

A Dave Matthews impression is just a bad concept: he's an easy target because everyone hates him, but since he has no personality, basically you just end up impersonating his silly singing, and how long does that stay funny? And Fallon's impression specifically has no hate behind it. You can tell he probably likes Dave Matthews. My point is, it's an accurate impression, but it's not funny.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

A Dave Matthews impression is just a bad concept: he's an easy target because everyone hates him, but since he has no personality, basically you just end up impersonating his silly singing, and how long does that stay funny?

Two points:

- Did you see the Celebrity Jeopardy skit where he did this? It was classic!

- Where is this parallel universe where everyone hates Dave Matthews and how do I get there?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave Matthews is intrinsically hateable, even people who "like" him hate him, even if they don't know it. He's just so fucking smug.

Yeah, I saw the celebrity jeopardy deal. I was unmoved. Didn't it just basically involve him singing the answers in Dave Matthews falsetto? That's real cutting satire right there.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

It should be noted that everything I say is only half serious. That goes for any and all ILX posts by me.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

No, it didn't. He also did Dave's blank-slate-I-am-a-black-hole-personality thing very effectively, too.

(This second part was written before I saw your next post. Go go gadget precog powers!)

I am also very amused that you've called someone else smug, but since I use the "hyperbolic rant" as a discussion technique myself, I'm obviously not mad at you for it.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

"You'll rue the day you crossed me Trebek!"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Unrelated precog story: Today at work, everyone was talking about this work thing we have scheduled on Saturday, and I kept saying, "I thought that was cancelled," but no one else remembered it being cancelled. But then this afternoon, the company called and cancelled it. Freaky.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Winona Ryder's Bjork imitation almost made me wet my pants. "Evurything ees MOOSEEK! CLATTER! BANG! CRASH!"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracy Morgan blows...the brian fellows skit is the worst recurring character on the show.

the entire male cast is at its lowest point since post-murphy eighties...

Will Ferrel owned the show...his Neil diamond singing with Big Foot was perhaps the funniest moment in SNL history

The show is completely dominated by the women...rachel dratch is hillarious, Amy Poehl is pretty good (and she was in the genius film "wet hot american summer") as is Maya rudolph...

Tina Fey sucks

Darrell Hammond should at least be commended for his Al gore

geeg, Monday, 27 January 2003 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

The Girl With No Gaydar is ridiculously funny. Actually, pretty much everything Rachel Dratch does is ridiculously funny.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

No way is Dave Matthews as smug as Fallon himself comes off. And right, Matthew is also the easiest target on earth. And like Nick A. started to say, Fallon's humor has no BITE in it. At all. Period.

jeri curlan, Monday, 27 January 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Jimmy Fallon is embarrassing.

maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 00:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Will Ferrell ruled.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 01:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Tracy Morgan's Spaceman Jones sketch with the Herb Alpert theme music and the handful of buxom aliens who speak with Tracy's intermittent "mm hm... uh huh... that's right... you know it... uh huh... mm hmm..." This also reminds me of another SNL skit they used to have with Herb Alpert music, it was called "Riding My Donkey" with Will Ferrell, wasn't it a talk show with host/guests on donkeys? Ha!

Destroy: Brian Fellow's Safari Planet. Funny the first time, the first time was the last time. Plus somehow lines are always flubbed during these skits and they like to stick 'em right up in the front of the show cause it's the big recurring character leadoff.

Did someone say Maya Rudolph was in the Rentals? As in "Friends of P" Rentals? Why do you lie?

Famous Athlete, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Did someone say Maya Rudolph was in the Rentals? As in "Friends of P" Rentals? Why do you lie?

Keyboardist and a singer for the Weezer-spinoff band, The Rentals. She toured with them in 1996 and sang on their latest CD.

I'll agree that "Spaceman Jones" is also an excellent use of Morgan's talent -- hilarity ensues! I've already stated above (like others) that "Brian Fellow's Safari Planet" is COMIC GOLD!

paul cox (paul cox), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 02:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Will Forte is really good. Both THe Falconer and Tim Calhoun are great recurring characters. The whole cast (save for Chris Kattan, who needs to get the fuck outta there) is the best in years.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 04:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I have grown to like Jimmy Fallon, who previously kind of annoyed me because he has that guy-who-was-a-geek-now-isn't smugness about him, but it's grown on me.

Oh and regardless of anything, the Celebrity Jeopardy sketch is the best thing that happened to SNL in like ever. It doesn't seem to matter how often they do the Sean Connery joke, it's still funny as hell.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 05:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll take ape-tit for $1000 Alex.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 13:02 (twenty-three years ago)

or "I'll take the-rapists for $500 Alex."

I knew I had seen/heard that Mya Rudolph somewhere before...my celebrity crush now only grows MORE POWERFUL...ARGH!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

"I'll take 'Famous Titties' for $200."

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

tim calhoon is the shit!!!
"i've used A LOT of drugs..." his million mile stare is incredible and the hand gestures he does while talking is too much!
horatio is way under-rated, every time i see him i smile...
"c'mon, my bro-bro!!"
and tracy morgan will always make me laugh. his delivery is so good.
i don't know why people love jimmy fallon, prolly cuz he's the best looking of the male cast.
i am sad about no will ferrel. he does crazy better than just about anyone.

ed as Cobra Commander, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree that Horatio is underrated. I love his characters, that talk show host guy is hilarious.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Maya Rudolph is the daughter of Minnie Ripperton. On Conan the other night, they were playing Loving You when she came out and she said this.

I like Vice's take on the Jimmy Fallon comedy album. does anyone have it word for word? volume 9, #10, it's hi-larious.

david day (winslow), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

God dang it, somebody say something about Mya Rudolph that doesn't make me crush on her that much harder!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

She has a penis.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

HAHA I was just about to say that!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

According to the oral history of SNL that came out last year (which contains probably the shittiest writing about television of this century, by the way), Weekend Update's recent "hook" has been for Fey and Fallon to have fun, laugh at their own jokes, not be too deadpan, etc. It's a hit, apparently, and like everything else, SNL will ride that horse until it's been dead for years.

I look at Weekend Update and all I see is attractive personas that aren't really all that funny, making safe jokes at the expense of universally agreed upon targets. I think Tina Fey is smug and overrated. The show has been conservative or apolitical for years, and it's a bad sign that absolutely every sketch that I've liked since Tim Meadows left has been mentioned in this thread. (Writing-wise, SNL was eclipsed by Conan O'Brien and Mr. Show years ago.)

I say all this as a lifelong fan of SNL (from the second season on), and as a huge fan of personas (Adam Sandler was brilliant on the show). But the personas have to be funny, not just self-amused and playing to the audience. FUCK the audience. The NFL halftime crowd was so primed, they would have laughed at anything.

Geeg is right, the women dominate, and maybe it's because they're actually acting (one of the reasons Christopher Walken and Alec Baldwin are the all-time champs of hosting).

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess Tom Hanks got too big to be bothered with coming back to host. It won't be long before he really is "Mr. Short-term Memory."

paul cox (paul cox), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:18 (twenty-three years ago)

If I was Syd Barrett, I'd be mega pissed about Fallon's horrible impression of me during the Situation's performance. And also, why hasn't Beck sued him for the "Debra" rip?

Clayton Grisso, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:50 (twenty-three years ago)

If I was Syd Barrett, I'd be mega pissed about Fallon's horrible impression of me during the Situation's performance.

Wasn't he aping the Jimi Hendrix Experience (see band name)?

And also, why hasn't Beck sued him for the "Debra" rip?

Wasn't Fallon aping Prince?

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

wasn't Beck aping Prince?

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

What I meant when I said Syd would be pissed was that Fallon has admitted to being a big Syd fan (just look at the back cover of "The Bathroom Wall") and his performance-- to me at least-- seemed to be a send-up of one of Barrett's 60s television appearances, what with the clothes and wig. I just thought it was kinda half-assed.

Clayton Grisso, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

just look at the back cover of "The Bathroom Wall"

I would never shop in a store that stocked Jimmy Fallon CDs.

and his performance-- to me at least-- seemed to be a send-up of one of Barrett's 60s television appearances, what with the clothes and wig.

And his performance -- to me at least-- seemed like a send-up/homage to the Jimi Hendrix Experience (see what Jimi looks like on the back of Are You Experienced?)

Notempo: I guess Tom Hanks got too big to be bothered with coming back to host.

Do you remember the last time he hosted? And in his monologue he said he hadn't hosted in awhile because the show hadn't been good in years? And he came back because it had gotten okay again? I think that might answer yr question.

Vic Funk, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)


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