― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Colin O, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'd say the first 5 albums are great, 'Cosmo's Factory' is no dud. Long 'Grapevine' guitar solo and all.
They are the bollocks. Rocked as hard as the Stones at their best. 'Green River' and 'Willie and the poor boys' can stand happily alongside the likes of 'Let it bleed' or 'Beggar's Banquet'.
And you're right about the great singles. I came across them through 'Chronicle' which is as good an introduction as any.
― James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the Creedence Cavalry (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― tigerclawskank, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jesse Fox (Jesse Fox), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Squirlplise, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Fivvy, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― cecilia, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Wouldn't that be great? Part of me suspects that something about CCR doesn't translate well for the British ILMers tho... someone prove me wrong!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
Along with half of Canada.
Still CCR are klassik, rockist or not.
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm still dreaming of some to-be-discovered bootleg recording of like a 20 minute live freakout jam on "Keep On Chooglin'"....
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
On principle of what, disliking good music?
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lee G (Lee G), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
Take Willy and the Poor Boys--Poorboy Shuffle and Side O' the Road are throwaways.
Green River--same goes for Cross Tie Walker, Sinister Purpose, Night Time is the Right Time.
I just remember really really loving the greatest hits when I was a kid. And then buying all the albums, and liking them, but being slightly disappointed that there weren't any real amazing finds beyond the singles.
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
No way, I think all those songs are great, just as strong as the singles. The harmonies on "Night Time" are this really strong, deep thing. "Sinister Purpose" is totally creepy, it's like a prelude to a murder down by the river or something.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
you could say the same of "Factory Girl" and "Dear Doctor," too, though I agree that CCR's albums aren't as good as the Stones'. oh, and the answer is TOTAL CLASSIC.
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
And I was going to make the point about the Stones, but Matos made it for me. Except that I would have mentioned "Country Honk", and that he is TOTALLY wrong about "Factory Girl". That is one of the high points of that lp! It was great when they dug it up for the Steel Wheels tour...
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
(Also, the thing that makes songs like Dear Doctor et al more interesting to me is that they are not done straight--Jagger always has a distance from the material, and the lyrics themselves are somewhat ambiguous/parodistic, which makes the songs a bit more interesting since you don't know how seriously to take them)
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
As to yr main point -- I agree that the influx of country and mountain music is more important and successful with CCR than it is the Stones (although the Stones' double country whammy of "Dead Flowers" and "Sweet Virginia" kicks all of CCR's ass halfway to Modesto), but CCR's blues infusion feels kinda weak to me. I'm thinking of the middle bits of Willy & the Poor Boys here, and while Johnny can do a fair sharecropper impression with that yelp of his, it falls flat. It just seems that the Stones wanted to get the Negro strut down more than anything (which Mick still works at but Keith was born with), to get the style and the feel, while CCR went for the sound, but not the emotion. Maybe this is why CCR is so commonly identified as a very "white" band? (I'm thinking of the Big Lebowski and White Men Can't Jump (Snipes hassles Woody for them, doesn't he?) in particular)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
On principle of not relating to rootsy Americana trad-rock boredom, which then gets shoved in your face as real authentic 'good' music. The whole rough-and-ready meat-and-potatoes-ness of it all. Of hating country music like any well-adjusted person. Like I said, though, they don't actually sound that bad. It's all pettiness.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
Clarke just butted in but I know what he means about the aura.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mosurock (mosurock), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
Tracer roxor as always, even if I do think the Stones were ultimately a...not "better" but greater band, if you see what I mean--wider ranging (counts for a lot w/me, Prince was my formative listening) and more chance-taking. CCR's more perfect but the Stones had greater outreach. love 'em both about equally in that way
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
You can't say something like "I dislike them on principle", on this board of all places, and not expect to be called out on the meaninglessness of the statement unless you define your terms.
Of hating country music like any well-adjusted person
Color me ill-adjusted.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
for me that’s not the “alternative version of the band” this playlist is the main side, the white-hot molten core of themi might add suzy q and a few others
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 17 December 2022 00:53 (one year ago) link
no "I Put A Spell On You"?
― sleeve, Friday, December 16, 2022 7:38 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I thought about it, but I need to give it more of a try. If it replaced Gloomy, it would push it over my single LP limit of 45 minutes.
Also thinking about another LP length playlist that focuses on their sad-sack side. Like how depressing are Someday Never Comes and Wrote a Song for Everyone?
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Saturday, 17 December 2022 02:32 (one year ago) link
^ add both rain songs to that one
― calstars, Saturday, 17 December 2022 03:56 (one year ago) link
and Lodi
― sleeve, Saturday, 17 December 2022 03:57 (one year ago) link
Yeah, Lodi is pretty bleak.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Saturday, 17 December 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link
I wish John had given into his instincts and pronounced “purpose” as “poipose”
― calstars, Saturday, 17 December 2022 18:31 (one year ago) link
The "depressing" CCR album should include "It's Just a Thought".
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 18 December 2022 19:29 (one year ago) link
Ok, put this together:
Someday Never ComesSide A1. Someday Never Comes2. Lodi3. Who'll Stop the Rain4. It's Just a Thought5. Wrote a Song for Everyone6. Long as I Can See the Light
Side B1. Bad Moon Rising2. Poor Boy Shuffle3. Feelin' Blue4. Have You Ever Seen the Rain5. I Heard It Through the Grapevine
It's almost 46 minutes long, so if I needed to remove anything it would be Poor Boy Shuffle/Feelin' Blue. I guess Long as I Can See the Light is a little hopeful, but I still feel it fits - he's not sure the light will be there to guide him.
That first side is something else.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Sunday, 18 December 2022 20:23 (one year ago) link
Excellent work all
― calstars, Sunday, 18 December 2022 20:37 (one year ago) link
I'd maybe replace "Grapevine" with "(Wish I Could) Hideaway". Fogerty sounds genuinely distressed (about his brother leaving the group), not just fatalistic or dejected.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 19 December 2022 17:07 (one year ago) link
I will give that a try. I honestly don't know Pendulum that well and Mardi Gras almost not at all!
Listening to the Someday Never Comes playlist on the way to work this morning and was struck by two thoughts:
1) Someday Never Comes is a more direct and less maudlin Cats in the Cradle; and2) He makes Lodi sound like some outer plane of hell where crushed dreams and boredom reign.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Monday, 19 December 2022 17:35 (one year ago) link
I always hoid it that way.
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 22 December 2022 12:20 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fQ85VjQhDA
― A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 December 2022 14:42 (one year ago) link
Looks like CCR live rarities will be played on Fogerty's upcoming tour.
Getting ready and rehearsing for tour! Gonna bring some of my songs I have never performed live before. I think 'Effigy' might make the cut… @shanefogerty
What other songs should we bring on the road with us? 🤘🏼🎸
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqqZHhyvSHS/
― birdistheword, Friday, 7 April 2023 06:37 (one year ago) link
I heard a song in a store today that I could’ve sworn sounded like a long lost CCR b-side. I couldn’t make out a chorus or much of the lyric though it ended with a repeated “get it on” refrain. After much internet sleuthing it turns out it’s “Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress” by the Hollies. The resemblance to CCR is uncanny.
― o. nate, Friday, 7 April 2023 19:56 (one year ago) link
and deliberate, it's from 1972
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Friday, 7 April 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link
and xxp thanks for that, I should try and go see him
Seems to be a lot of Shakey on ILX today...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKRZc2M_zQA
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
Whole lotta Shakey Goin' On
― doja catharsis (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link
How is it possible that I'd never heard of the UK's number one singles-selling artist of the '80s until now?
― o. nate, Thursday, 13 April 2023 15:08 (one year ago) link
Saw Fogerty tonight - I can't remember the last time I've seen a senior-age father have so much fun with his kids. Two of his sons played with him tonight with one acting as second guitarist (rhythm with occasional lead) and it was pretty awesome watching them trade phrases at one point. Just prior to that, he played a song for his wife, and that was accompanied by a photo collage of his family spanning 30+ years - some taken at public events but most of them were clearly personal photos, showing things like family vacations, posing at home, etc. This was definitely a very close family and I came away from the show thinking he must've had an incredibly happy domestic life these past 30 years. (Perhaps more remarkable considering his falling out with his brother.)
― birdistheword, Saturday, 29 April 2023 05:11 (eleven months ago) link
Forgot, he also dug up a couple of great tracks off Willy and the Poor Boys - "Effigy" and "It Came Out of the Sky," arguably the two best that weren't put out on a single. Neither had been played for almost 20 years before this tour.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 29 April 2023 05:14 (eleven months ago) link
Thanks for posting - that set list is impossibly great. Just noticed that he's playing Saturday night at the LA County Fair in Pomona in a week and tickets are relatively inexpensive.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 29 April 2023 09:45 (eleven months ago) link
Was there choogling?
― Ice cubist (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 29 April 2023 11:45 (eleven months ago) link
dammit no PNW dates, this sounds great
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Saturday, 29 April 2023 14:16 (eleven months ago) link
huh the red rocks date is listed as "the string cheese incident with john fogerty." the fuck is that on string cheese can fill redrocks with boulder douches any day, why are they in this
― Laurie Anderson’s Singing Bowl Migraine Orchestra (Hunt3r), Saturday, 29 April 2023 14:29 (eleven months ago) link
Hah, YES! "Keep On Chooglin'" was where Fogerty was trading phrases with his son for a good bit of the song!
Also should mention a few more things:
1) This is the first time he's touring as the legal owner of his songs - I think that made him extra happy as it was mentioned several times.
2) Also, for a good selection of songs, he played with a guitar he used at Woodstock, including at least one classic that he wrote on it - after CCR broke up, some kid went up to him and asked if he could have one of guitars, and Fogerty in an admitted crazy move gave him that guitar gratis. Then like 45 years later, his wife asked him whatever happened to it, and he was too embarrassed to say. So without him knowing, she tracked it down and wrapped it for him as a surprise Christmas present.
3) He told the audience he had a special guest bassist for their final encore. Turns out, he didn't go far to get them, only one more block at Rockefeller Center - it was NBC news anchor Lester Holt.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 30 April 2023 00:08 (eleven months ago) link
This two CD mono ‘Singles Collection’ sounds so awesome. Wish I would have got it before. Just like with the Stones mono box, the original mono singles just thump.
Cosmo’s drumming definitely has the Phil Rudd and Charlie Watts beat the beat into the ground. Drums sound so much better on these old 60s mono mixes compared to the stereo ones.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Thursday, 4 January 2024 15:28 (three months ago) link
I just treated myself to this set and absolutely agree.My whole family sat around listening to the difference between the remastered Spotify version of Green River and the mono single. Consensus was that the remastered stereo version sounds “more polished” but the mono version’s “got that dog” in it
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 January 2024 22:56 (three months ago) link
After that I treated them to a 2-hour discourse on vinyl mastering which they all listened to in rapt fascination, best night of their lives
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 January 2024 22:57 (three months ago) link
ok sold
what is the DVD material from?
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 19 January 2024 23:00 (three months ago) link
also lol tracer, that was an xp so I could not properly appreciate your tart self-deprecation
but it's all true, mono 45s rule
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 19 January 2024 23:01 (three months ago) link
I love well made compilations like that. Will be on the lookout.
― brimstead, Friday, 19 January 2024 23:01 (three months ago) link
is there DVD material? i just have the 45s.
the booklet that comes with it is sadly pretty useless. written like a beginner's potted history. surely anyone enough of a lunatic to buy this is Heavily Into Creedence and wants session notes, oral histories etc
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 January 2024 23:22 (three months ago) link
ohh ok there is I guess a bonus DVD with the 2xCD set? which is what I got b/c cheap
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 19 January 2024 23:23 (three months ago) link
Lol Tracer. Fwiw I would legit listen if you recorded that as a podcast
― Wine not? (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 January 2024 23:43 (three months ago) link
FWIW, Russ Gary (the engineer) once posted on another forum that the Green River singles are true dedicated mixes. The mono single mix for the song "Green River" alone really is amazing. Everything else might be folds though.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 20 January 2024 03:24 (two months ago) link
what are folds?
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 20 January 2024 09:46 (two months ago) link
Mono mixes that are electronically converted from the original stereo, rather than being mixed specifically to mono, or "dedicated" to mono.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 January 2024 13:56 (two months ago) link
There used to be a button on stereo systems that would do this.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 January 2024 13:57 (two months ago) link
It was right next to the Loudness button iirc
― Pictish in the Woods (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 January 2024 14:02 (two months ago) link
My Bluetooth headphones sometimes accidentally do those folds sometimes. Really a trip when listening to Olivia Rodrigo or something else clearly not mixed that way.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 January 2024 17:39 (two months ago) link
Bluetooth sometimes seems to have a mind of its own imho.
― Pictish in the Woods (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 January 2024 17:45 (two months ago) link
In my experience
there's a mono setting on android - works pretty neat
― corrs unplugged, Sunday, 21 January 2024 11:24 (two months ago) link
Gonna listen to "Rude Awakening #2" all day brb
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 January 2024 14:58 (two months ago) link
This compilation is on Tidal, and yeah, it sounds great. Might have to pick up a physical copy for the living room.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Sunday, 21 January 2024 16:56 (two months ago) link
just ordered the mono singles comp, excited to hear it #deathtostereo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:15 (two months ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:33 (two months ago) link
bluefolded
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 January 2024 18:44 (two months ago) link