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What would ILM have turned our collective noses up at when it first came out that's now classic?

― phil jones (interstar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:37 (twenty-three years ago)

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" - and all of grunge.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Similarly, Oasis.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

"Gypsy" and "Hold Me" from Fleetwood Mac's Mirage.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Kylie Minogue's 'indiepop' phase maybe?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

no way we'd (or I'd) have missed "Hold Me," sorry.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom, you know full well that there are those of us who would have been all over Nirvana (if not for "SLTS", then "Come As You Are" and "In Bloom").

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Only Living Boy In New Cross" - you blind fools.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

(The preceeding is Tom's entry for the "Singles ILM continues to miss the significance of..." thread.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

the singles from tricky's SECOND album - they were pretty good!

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Prince 'Diamonds & Pearls'?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Stone Roses 'Second Coming' - from unfairly over-hyped to unfairly under-rated for years no?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

"Basket Case" by Green Day

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Beck: "Loser."

― mike a (mike a), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Similarly, Oasis.

No, we would have loved them not seeing it for the dud that it is.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

P.O.D.'s "Youth Of The Nation". Checked the search engine and only found a lot of chaff about Sonic Youth's "Daydream Nation", despite the fact that SY could never beat that single for empathy, audacity, wit, etc.

That isn't to say that SY doesn't, like, kick P.O.D's ass on a regular basis though. I just think "Youth Of The Nation" is a hell of a lot better than Sister II: Electric Boogaloo (louder, longer, less messed up).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Anthony is dead-on about that. "Youth of the Nation" was one of those songs that was very clearly accomplishing something ham-fistedly huge, only it felt like seppuku to admit it.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 23:41 (twenty-three years ago)

not to mention it had a "row row row your boat"-style line-echoing round at the end!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Youth Of The Nation-motion appears worth supprting on this thread, methinks too

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

but 'youth of the nation' is POD's worst song...possibly the worst song of last year! the 'accomplishing' something ham-fistedly huge' thing doesnt mean much really - U2 and Simple Minds used to do that all the time

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, I suppose Phil's actual question is about goodness while the thread title says "significance" -- I'm still pretty conflicted about "Youth of the Nation" on the "goodness" front, but I'm definitely ashamed of myself that it took me several listens to figure out that it was going to be massive and massively memorable to a certain age group, one of those singles that forms the backdrop of existence whether people supposedly "like" it or not. (And in the end everyone "likes" these songs, even if it's just when they're 30 and they say "oh god remember 'Youth of the Nation'" and everyone sighs and says "oh yes that was rock.")

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I actively hated YotN and still do.

― Curtis Stephens, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Rumours, possibly.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Black Sabbath, "Iron Man"

― Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)

re 'youth of the nation'

maybe Slipknot and especially System Of A Down might be able to make better claims to that 'anthem for the newly disillusioned' pedestal...maybe even Papa Roach's 'Last Resort' was just as 'important'? ten years from now it will be interesting to see how revered tracks like 'Left Behind' and 'Chop Suey' are

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 01:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I think this does prove that whether or not "Youth Of The Nation" has any significane, ILM would have missed it.

I'll just say that System Of A Down is wayyy too cryptic for the spot, and Slipknot and Papa Roach don't really get passed the "I hurt" part. P.O.D. do a better job of looking at the big picture, and the smaller details. They have a shooting victim actually empathizing with its killer ("empathy" of any kind is pretty missing in most rap-rock), and note that hugs and being told you deserved better would be beneficial. That, plus the martial drumming, creepy Pink-Floydian kids' chorus, spooky echoes, etc. Is why I'd place this above the usual rant'n'whine track. Catchier too.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)

If NYLPM counts as an arm of ILM (or vice versa) (or whatever), then fwabah!.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 02:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Radiohead's "Creep". Still my least favourite of any of their stuff. A completely average college rock song by a band who eventually developed into well, Radiohead. So I guess the band turned into a classic while "Creep" still sucks.

― Julien S. (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 03:47 (twenty-three years ago)

"Like a Rolling Stone"

― Colin O, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 05:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Prince, "Little Red Corvette." Seriously.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 06:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Cattle and cane"

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 06:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Heartbreak Hotel" - "Dud - his indie stuff was better". Plus any Stones single of your choosing.

― B.Rad (Brad), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 07:38 (twenty-three years ago)

"I Want To Hold Your Hand" (still the most underrated Beatles single)

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 08:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Whatever the first Korn single was.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

hstencil, the significance of "Little Red Corvette" would have been missed because some of us would have been trumpeting the significance of "Controversy" and "Do Me, Baby".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps, perhaps.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

"Youth of the Nation" is less an "anthem of the disillusioned" than a fantasy for the desperately wanting to be disillusioned. The thing about young people is that loads of them have absolutely no connection to the problems their generation is said to be experiencing -- school shootings, suicide, abuse, or drugs are all things a middle-class kid can be told are their weighty issues without ever really having to deal with any of them -- and "Youth of the Nation" is just a general rally on that point: "You, the youth of the nation," it says, "are dealing with these things, and even if you live in a middle-class suburb and have never been involved with any of them, by listening to this song you can grab a chunk of that involvement."

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Never heard "Youth of the Nation" -- I shall construct an image in my head about what it sounds like.

*visions of bad Simple Minds and the Alarm come forth*

Eurgh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)

while I'll admit they pick the most extreme cases. The fear of random violence and the promise of suicide are definitely there in any high school. Also, I don't believe abuse is mentioned, just a girl who lets guys use her (he hypothesizes that her father should have told her she deserves much better).

you're right to say that the song blows the situation to obscene proportions, I think the details are a lot more evocative than earlier attempts at this from Pearl Jam (too "poetic"), Pink Floyd (too pompous) & the Who (likewise) and numerous others. To decry this song for those faults basically means you have to dismiss all life-mythologizers from Springsteen and Townshend on down.

Wow. Ned definitely wins best review of a song the critic never heard. Well done!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Probably "Creep" by Radiohead (as everyone else seemed to do).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)

To decry this song for those faults basically means you have to dismiss all life-mythologizers from Springsteen and Townshend on down.

As Springsteen was on my hit list anyway, this is an easy step to make. Then again, I'm not one for sermons at the expense of music.

Wow. Ned definitely wins best review of a song the critic never heard. Well done!

The funny thing will be if I hear it and like it, of course.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:39 (twenty-three years ago)

you won't. Much of its value comes from LYRICS. *thumbs down! boo! down with the english language! too linear!*

I'd assume you would, except you just admitted there's such a thing as BAD Simple Minds (a recent listen to Glittering Prize made me assume there was no such thing as GOOD Jim Kerr & The Gang).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Much of its value comes from LYRICS.

Then clearly the trick is not to listen to it but to read it. ;-)

you just admitted there's such a thing as BAD Simple Minds

I've ALWAYS admitted that. Check out the thread where I saw that the first song I truly unequivocally hated to the point where I would turn off the radio is "Don't You Forget About Me," a disaster and a half inflicted on a weary world in concert with the most overrated film of its decade.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

The worth of "Youth Of A Nation" doesn't come from the lyrics at all! It comes from the post-punky hollow-sounding guitar work over the thunderous toms.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

"The worth of "Youth Of A Nation" doesn't come from the lyrics at all! It comes from the post-punky hollow-sounding guitar work over the thunderous toms."

You like that bit of pilferage yet continue to discredit Killing Joke? My head -- it hurts.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

LYRIX also includes your precious vocal emotion, NED YOU HATA! HATA!

That too, Dan. That too.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

LYRIX also includes your precious vocal emotion, NED YOU HATA! HATA!

My precious vocal emotion?

That too, Dan. That too.

'In place of,' surely.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think much of this board would have gotten Boston.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a Killing Joke album somewhere, but I don't know if I've played it more than once.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought Harvard students were supposed to be brain surgeons!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I demand a photo of Jaz Coleman on here!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

WHO DARES SUMMON ME?!?!?!?!

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/jaz/jaz65.JPG

― Sir Jaz of Coleman (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

yay! *applause*

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

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