what was kenneth anger (hollywood underground movie maker) impact on the hollywood rock'n'roll scene?

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if any? he seems to pop up alot.

robotman, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 23:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Everything. Hair metal owes its entire history to KA. Seriously, how much more gay and pyrotechnic can you get?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Is he soft-pop's Charles Manson?

robotman, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 00:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Since he spent his whole career trying to cultivate an "evil" image, he'd be flattered by that comparison.

The only band he directly worked with was the Rolling Stones, who scaped him off the bottom of their shoes pretty quickly.

That said, some of his stuff is pretty impressive. Search "Lucifer Rising" and "Invocation of my Demon Brother" (both handily assembled on one videocassette)... watch them with the lights out. Detroy his self-mythologizing.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw a movie several years ago, I'm pretty sure it was by Anger (not *Scorpio Rising*), wherein he introduced me to the Paris Sisters' "Dream Lover" (set to homo-erotic visuals of a greaser cleaning his automobile), so assuming that's his movie, his impact on *me* has been rather huge (not that I spend a lot of time cleaning my car or anything).

s woods, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 01:52 (twenty-three years ago)

All I know is he's had quite an impact on Unrest.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 01:56 (twenty-three years ago)

S. I believe that was Custom Car Commandos (or was it all Ks?)... it's like a music video, really (this is a compliment). I must admit I read his biography... then someone stole it from me.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 02:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, that sounds right. Oh, man, I'm DYING to see that thing again. That Paris Sisters moment (and there were others too) is just so great.

s woods, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 03:57 (twenty-three years ago)

he introduced me to the crystal's, for starters.

pat boone would NOT have..uh...done that without kenneth anger's paving the road. in some universe.

JOOLS, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 07:14 (twenty-three years ago)

It's all K's (er, get the joke?)

I think he must have had an effect on the New York Dolls, and other bands who have thought to merge the Shangri-Las' aesthetic with overt cultural confrontation.

Supposedly he's still working on the third volume of Hollywood Babylon, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 07:27 (twenty-three years ago)

That's a good point Amateurist about the Dolls. Anger was one of the earliest rock critics perhaps--showing how pop could be used in really unusual ways and contexts.

I didn't know there was a second volume of Hollywood Babylon (the first one's classic), but surely a third would be beside the point at this date? I mean, haven't all those ideas just been so absorbed into everything now?

I don't get the Pat Boone reference.

s woods, Friday, 31 January 2003 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

"haven't all those ideas just been so absorbed into everything now"?

True dat. This applies to Anger's work beyond the Hollywood Babylon series. His juxtaposition of pop songs and with his iconic images really set in stone much of what is the mtv aesthetic. Of course this shoudln't retroactively detract from his contributions to cinema/pop culture.
I would like a third volume of Hollwood Babylon, the first two are vehemently muckraking to the extent of having zero pretense of journalism; reading them today, they come off as commentary on our celebrety fixated culture and the balance between fascination and revulsion. People across america jerking off to red carpet arrivals to go to work the follwing day and bitch about the superficiality of the whole thing.

theodore fogelsanger, Friday, 31 January 2003 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

the first two are vehemently muckraking to the extent of having zero pretense of journalism

Agreed. The obvious glee Anger gets out of his subject matter also leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 31 January 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I would imagine being a NY teenager in the sixties combined with Johansen's experience with the Ridiculous Theatre and various Warhol types had more to do with the Dolls' combination of Shangri-Las aesthetic and overt cultural confrontation. They both have a thing about Babylon, though.

Bobby Beausoleil, the Manson murderer who was supposed to star in Lucifer Rising, once auditioned for Love. But Bryan MacLean got the job. He apparently continued to hang out with them and was known as "Bummer Bob". While filming Lucifer Rising, Beausoleil had a fight with Anger and ran off with most of the film What was left became Invocation of My Demon Brother, with a soundtrack by Mick Jagger. Jimmy Page was then hired to do the music for Lucifer Rising, but he too had a falling out with Anger. Here's a long, hard-to-read article that covers the whole witchy, bitchy, story...http://victorian.fortunecity.com/updike/723/page.html.

I bet the current crop of late 60s-obsessed LA bands like the Warlocks/the Lords of Altamont/Brian Jonestown Massacre have way more of an interest in Kenneth Anger than any of the original 60s bands.

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 31 January 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Puce Moment," s woods?

summerslastsound (summerslastsound), Friday, 31 January 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Hollywood Babylon is certainly irresponsible as "journalism" (I think it's been the cause of numerous libel suits, none to my knowledge settled against Anger) but it's not even in the league of those great volumes such as Sex Lives of the Movie Stars and so on, which for some reason the Skokie Public Library in suburban Illinois always takes care to stock.

My favorite Anger film is one of his least characteristic and shortest, Eau d'artifice ("Sacred Water").

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 31 January 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Arthur has it all covered. Just a few footnotes:

Scorsese is a BIG fan of 'Scorpio Rising' - 'Mean Streets', complete w/ Spector on the S/T and BRIGHT red colours, is like a non-blasphemous re-run of SR.

I seem to recall that Throbbing Gristle/Genesis P played a part in the first UK release of Anger's flicks on vid tape, sometime in the mid-80s.

'Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome', my fave Anger, has had various soundtracks over the years, including a versh that was heavy on the Electric Light Orchestra...

The BFI in the UK recently reished all of Anger's extant films on a series of vid tapes. Maybe on DVD, too.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 31 January 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, that's a great point about the Anger -> Scorcese connection. Hadn't really thought about it before, but yeah. The perfect integration of pop music / visuals ... like the great Keitel drunk scene w/ "Rubber Biscuit".

Similar to what s woods wrote up there, I owe Anger for making me aware of how utterly perfect a song "I Only Have Eyes For You" is. I mean I'd always liked it, but the way he used it in that one film about the moon (can't remember the title) left it in my head for days (ever since, really).

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 31 January 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Never seen Puce Moment.

The 'moon' movie might be Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome (pre-Frankie!). I've seen it too, it's also excellent (and I remember the Flamingos scene as well...though none of this too vividly).

Yeah, the Scorsese connection makes total sense. I have a feeling that Anger's use of "He's a Rebel" in Scorpio Rising was really important to Scorsese, particularly (it's just too bad Scorsese didn't pay further homage to this in Last Temptation, which sure could've used some humour and some pop) (he says, despite the fact that he's still never seen it...).

s woods, Friday, 31 January 2003 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and Jagger's soundtrack to Invocation of My Demon Brother is horrible, as I recall.

s woods, Friday, 31 January 2003 23:58 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't the moon flick calle d "rabbit moon"?

forbidden or obsolete (24 hour troubleshooter), Saturday, 1 February 2003 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

You're right.

s woods, Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm only familiar with "inauguration of the pleasure dome" having a classical (opera) score set to it, but a rock (EL-fucking-O?!) soundtrack might be an even better setting for this already magickal film. don't know why i've never tried it, seeing as it's dialog free, and a similar trick worked for me for brakhage's "dogstarman" (i used loveless). All of anger's work is worth watching, especially from the proto-music vid standpoint. (what was the first music video anyway, surely it isn't Kustom KK?)

anger asked for his entire filmography to be seen in one viewing on acid, so i guess his influence on pink floyd is inestimable. (there's a very funny last page of The Wire from maybe 4 years back where the writer recounts trying this with his professor in college, only to end with the both of em saying "fuck it" and putting on Bowie's Low instead).

Dr. Annabel Lies (Michael Kelly), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:43 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

Hugo Capablanca & the brilliant Gavin Russom have redone the 'Lucifer Rising' soundtrack & there's some demos on the most recent Beats in Space show, sounds superb, can't wait for the release.

Roger Sánchez Broto (vain_bowers), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:48 (sixteen years ago)

Kenneth Anger & Gavin Russom = really looking forward to this.

went to see Kenneth Anger at the BFI introducing his films.

He's an eccentric man with a mickey mouse fixation.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:08 (sixteen years ago)


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