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I'm a french boy who wants to learn more about Timbaland's music and his influences in the fact that he's making music become international and interacial because of the essence of his beats which reunited more different sounds. But the dillema is that even if his music is more a reunion than other kind of sounds white people, particularly french peolple doesn't know who he is. Why Timbaland isn't considerate (like elvis) like the pope of new music?

― Nze Etienne, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 09:38 (twenty-three years ago)

he's a nigga

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 10:30 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, i love the idea of Timbaland as Pope

nze, what is popular in France right now? both in the mainstream/charts and within what you might call 'trendy' circles e.g. media critics, obssessive music lovers and so on?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

and no jokes about Timbaland not being considerate, we know what was meant

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

He's sampled both Blondie and Devo, so he's awlright wif'me!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Most impressive thing: so far, he's kept moving. A lot of guys would have been happy to concoct the one sound and dominate the charts for a couple of years and then fade away in a chronic'n'Cristal haze, but he keeps looking for new stuff to throw in the mix. The Neptunes get more press these days, but Tim's the most consistently brilliant pop producer of the last five years. The Timbaland box set is going to be a thing of beauty. (Oh, and if you're looking for a starting point, either the first Missy CD or the first half of the recent Aaliyah comp).

― Jesse Fox, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

The Neptunes get more press these days, but Tim's the most consistently brilliant pop producer of the last five years.

Seconded, thirded, etc.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Not that it's my department, but I'll fourth that. Timbaland's production is far more interesting than that of the Neptunes'.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)

i'd disagree there...just on the basis that in the last 3 years there have been MORE Neptunes productions that have really grabbed me in some way than those of Timbaland...but the Neptunes have been more prolific in that time right?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Spread themselves thinner, more like.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Neptunes productions are surely a bit easier to knock out than Timbaland ones: they're sparse and concrete, a bit less textural, use the same sound sets a bit more consistently, and surely less likely to go wonky and need rethinking (trust me, for every "interesting" Timbaland sample or sound-source you hear there are surely a few attempts that just sounded stupid and had to be rejiggered). In that sense it's not surprising that they'd have more tracks that grab you, the same way punk songs are gonna reach out and grab you more so than chamber orchestras.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Weirdly all that has also made the Neptunes more flexible, I think: it's immediately recognizable as Neptunes stuff, usually, but a lot of the time that's not in a way that really jumps out and dominates a track.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Ever since Pharrell (am I spelling that correctly?) professed his admiration for Puddle of Mudd, I've been unable to listen to anything the man has done with even the slightest hint of objectivity.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Steve M: France has never been a really tasteful country as far as music is concerned. In Paris, electroclash is quite trendy, so are "lounge music" (people think it's 21st century jazz), boring broken beat, world-fusion shit (actually it's always been considered very cool here), Manu Chao of course, stuff like To Rococco Rot or Schneider TM, tasteless house and techno, indie like Radiohead, Coldplay, The Strokes, Beck... It's profoundly depressing. For the older stuff, blaxploitation funk, reggae, Pink Floyd, yeah!

And I'm only talking about people who claim to be into music. 90% of them really need some not-too-innovative music, electronics are always mixed with live instrumentation and/or pop song-writing, rock is always trying to sound like the Stones, rap is "jazzy", and I really don't wanna introduce you to our very own musical plague that is French reggae.

Of course people like Timbaland or The Neptunes are almost unknown, even if the radio plays their tracks - people actually think that the rappers always make the beat, only the chosen few know the truth about those mysterious guys working in studios.

― Etienne (Etienne), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"One In a Million" changed everything.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

not true at all that The Neptunes are "almost unknown" in France. You might be more right about Timbaland, but Missy has changed that a bit.

― Jeff W, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I heard a rumour that the Neptunes used to have a band with Timbaland, can anyone substantiate this?

― david day (winslow), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Etienne: some of the stuff you're shaking your head in disappointment over is stuff I love (electro, Schneider TM, and sort of the Strokes, anyway) -- that doesn't sound so bad! Weird question but how is French house received in, umm, France?

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim and 'tunes were in a band together called SBI (Surrounded by Idiots) in high school in Virginia Beach. Sort of how Prince and Jam/Lewis used to play around Minneapolis as teenagers, albeit in different bands, I believe.

If you want to educate your friends on Tim's place as a beatmaster, maybe you should burn a CD or two of his greatest works and play them for people. Evangelism has its uses.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

"SBI (Surrounded by Idiots)" = great name!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim and 'tunes were in a band together called SBI

what instruments did they each actually play?

btw sorry for earlier post, Timbo is indeed a genius, and I thought the original post was a wind-up. Obviously not.

― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 29 January 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.ifop.com/europe/sondages/top50/sgl0304.stm

not that bad

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Thursday, 30 January 2003 05:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim and 'tunes were in a band together called SBI (Surrounded by Idiots) in high school in Virginia Beach.

See, this is the name of a band Dan should have had in high school!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 January 2003 05:30 (twenty-three years ago)

ha!
surrounded by idiots = nerds!

― Keith McD (Keith McD), Thursday, 30 January 2003 07:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey TaMereLaPute, most of what u're saying really could be said about any country. I'm not sure so many people know about or are that interested in the fact that Timba or the Neptunes produced a given track. I think only music nerds would be interested in that.

As for the electro-clash and micro-house being hip in France, well that's pretty positive, isn't it? sure seems better than the Pink Floyd revival u seem to yearn for..! but I don't live there anymore so I couldn't tell what's hot at the moment

I agree with you about French reggae though.. I guess the only thing substantially different in France IMO would be people's enduring and irritating fascination for reggae and 2nd rate ganja-world-ish stuff. Also, comapred to say the UK and the US, straight-up indie-rock is pretty obscure.
I guess people in France are not that obsessive about music.

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 30 January 2003 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

both timbo + neps r cool/timbo perhaps reachd higher level of sublimity/dat becoming more slite now dat i've been more thoroughly arm-wanking the neps' stuff. "excuse me miss" is my favourite song at the moment.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Thursday, 30 January 2003 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Fabfunk: sure French people are not obsessed with music, France isn't a musical country like Britain, Holland, Germany or the US, that's all i wanted to say. Of course i could have said the same thing about Italy or Poland, but i live in France so let me complain about it, will you? Just look at the records we made. Apart from our mid-90s rap and good house (that still exists today), we didn't create any important kind of music.

And i'm not yearning for a Pink Floyd revival, ok?

― Etienne Menu (Etienne), Thursday, 30 January 2003 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

we didn't create any important kind of music

gainsbourg? brel? manu chao (is he french?) fermin muguruza (ok, basque)er, there must be more...

― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 30 January 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

There are a ton of French composers who have done fantastic organ and choral music.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 January 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

musique concrete.

― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 30 January 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

edith piaf
daft punk

― robin (robin), Thursday, 30 January 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Any musical abilities posessed by Timbaland are negated by his very annoying tendency to place his voice in the background of every fucking track. "ugh, yeah, here we go, wicka wicka wicka"
Just STFU already

― andy, Thursday, 30 January 2003 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)

he doesn't do it as much as he used to thank god. it almost destroys the first timbo/magoo disc. come to think of it magoo is just as annoying.

― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 30 January 2003 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

"Any musical abilities posessed by Timbaland are negated by his very annoying tendency to place his voice in the background of every fucking track"

Ah, but Timbaland's vocal cameo on Justin Timberlake's "Cry Me a River" is by far the best part of the song.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 January 2003 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Gaz get yr mind checkd! ;-) As 4 timbo, "friki friki" + "uh-huh" r vital whenever they're used.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Thursday, 30 January 2003 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)

also tim's appearances in videos...ftah!
i never heard Tim's bio though, how're his vcls there?

a thread about the development and changes in Timbo's friki friki's over the years?

― gaz (gaz), Thursday, 30 January 2003 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)

well he really lets the friki friki go wild on ms.jade's 'feel the girl'...

― Fabrice Terrac (Fabfunk), Friday, 31 January 2003 08:12 (twenty-three years ago)

gotta hear jade

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 31 January 2003 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)

its the uh-huhs annoy me

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 31 January 2003 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan: I wasn't talking about french classical music, but about popular and /or recent music. Musique concrete, well, really great ideas don't always produce really great music. The whole principle of making music within sound, with tapes etc, is cool, but people like Eno and many others pushed it further than Schaeffer and his mates, in a more "pleasant" and ear-friendly manner i'd say.

Gainsbourg's musical ideas are regularly incredible, thanks to his arrangers, but his lyrics and singing can be very boring and lazy. And he wasn't a "kind of music", just a talented composer. His last two albums, Love On The Beat and You're Under Arrest, are personal favorites of mine, drunkenly lewd lyrics and sophisticate 80s cliché production that ought to be ranged along Sakamoto or Grace Jones "ambiance-as-style" classics.

And ok, Brel is even greater, and he inspired Scott Walker, so that's enough to make him a hero.

Manu Chao... don't even talk about him.

― Etienne Menu (Etienne), Friday, 31 January 2003 13:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Va te faire foutre, Etienne... Mais qu'est ce qui te prend de venir raconter des conneries comme ça...? C'est pas le forum de Chronicart içi, hein ? On va nous prendre pour quoi après ça ?...

(OK, sorry about that, but I'm really annoyed by this typical kind of guy, who keeps on complaining... "Why do 99 % people in "this" country listen to Liberty X instead of listening to good stuff like Merzbow or Dorine Muraille ?"
I just think it's another stupid way of saying : hey, why can't anyone have good tastes like I do ?)

And BTW, I really think Timbaland and the Neptunes' productions have the same kind of succes in France like in any other places.

Au fait, je déconnais Etienne, et d'écrire en français içi me fait penser qu'il serait peut-etre temps d'avoir en français quelque chose de comparable à ILM. A réfléchir, non ?

― snowballing from Paris, Friday, 31 January 2003 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Etienne: I like what u're saying about Gainsbourg's last two albums.. I'm not that familiar with Love on the Beat, but You're Under Arrest is surely a pretty cool 80's 'concept' album (eg. 5 easy pisseuses).. Kind of like Bryan Ferry's flipside..
But I have to agree that apart from some tunes here and there, and a fantastic album (Melody Nelson), he remains vastly overrated.. The whole myth around the guy, and what the whole 'glamorous decadence'scene that followed, is also a bit tiresome..

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 31 January 2003 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)

isnt brel fromk belgium?

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Friday, 31 January 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, but doesn't Belgium belong to France just like Canada belongs to the US...?

― snowballing from Paris, Friday, 31 January 2003 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

God Ching Ching is such fun (i bet ned hates it/get da joke there?/ya it's fuckin hilarious)/sexy ms. jade + chubbily handsome timbo at it like mo'fuckers. who cd complain?

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

J'aimerais bien qu'on crée qqch de pareil en français ! Y-a-t-il beaucoup de francophones ici ou non ?

Seriously, I spend a lot of time here & tho I try to scan weblogs and such, it'd be nice to have a forum to converse in, I'm not a terribly good writer in French, unfortunately, but I'm working on it. What about adding a board?

― daria g, Saturday, 1 February 2003 08:02 (twenty-three years ago)

etienne? what happened to the naive frenglish? (or are you 2 diff ets?)

― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 2 February 2003 08:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Two different Etiennes. My English is not that good though.

― Etienne Menu (Etienne), Sunday, 2 February 2003 12:01 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

Don't tell me there isn't a thread about Shock Tactics yet?

― the next grozart, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

Assuming you mean "Shock Value", there was some talk about in in that ginormous TIMBALAND IS OVERRATED thread.

― The Brainwasher, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Shock Tactics" is what Nze Etienne would've called it.

― Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

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