why do you still want to OWN music?

2. I like the idea of people who make music getting some money esp. if I think they're poorer than I am.

"I like the artifact. This is, I'm sure, very passé, but I like books, I like records, and I like cd's. I like that there's
something to hold in your hands and look at. I like the physicality of it, the tactile aspect of it. You can look through the book and see the images and hold
something in your hands. Not that it's a product, mind you, but it's not just some abstract wave form or file on your computer, but rather a physical, tangible
thing. It's more like a work of art than something you happened to download. Maybe I'm just old and sentimental, though. There's something also something
about the permanence. You have this 'thing,' -- it's an actual object. You could buy it at a flea market or find it in the trash. It's a tangible thing, it's not just
something floating around in outer space. It's an actual object. It's a document. Why that's different to me, I'm not really sure."

I agree completely.

nice Tod A. quote. is the new Firewater artifact still dropping soon?

yeah, i like the aesthetic. but what i really like is only owning a few cds, all fun, no clutter

I'm actually going to a mixing session of theirs this evening. A bit behind schedule, of course, but that's par for the course.

Also, what if you haven't got a computer?

aaaaaaah! the "killer app" of recorded media has just been discovered!

rumour has it snorting coke off the shiny metallic iPod casing is getting quite popular ...

Occasionally I buy the new album by a band I like, because it's just come out, and that feels like an event. However, I'm more often than not disappointed by this. Somehow discovering new stuff makes me happier than something good but predictable from a band I know.

the mp3 quality issue doesnt bother me...unless its not 44.1khz

so ned u do clean yr weed on an i-mac then?

yes!

I transcend weed.

As for Siegbran metal, I'm up for a selection.

also, on a less pseudo-theoretical level, when faced with the entire universe of recorded output at soulseek, I suddenly forget all of my thoughts, ideas and knowledge. I can never pick what to download. Better to be limited by money and the selection of my favorite record shop.

That’s not to say that I’ll ever want to get rid of my records becasue, well, I invested a lot of time trying to find them, but they take up T O O M U C H R O O M. As for poeple browsing my collection, well they can do it with Soulseek if they want, and it will stop them boring me to death by looking at my records when they should being sociable.

Like others here, I’ll still buy a record/watch a gig if I like them enough to want to support the artist. In my ideal world I would be able to directly send donations to who I think deserves my money. This is doubly true of bands like Disco Inferno who have many out-of-print records.

Stevem! -- if you say "all available", would this also mean that if i wanted (actually *needed*) on some occasion to find who is/are the publisher/s of a certain piece of music, such info is searchable via the net??
i've wondered 'bout this for a while.
does ANYBODY here have a clue?

btw most song publishing info is at http://www.songfile.com/

i still buy books (again,when i can afford it) even though the irish library system allows you to order any book you want...

i hate having to turn my comp on just to look at an album cover. its easier just having a cd. plus i hate listening to music on pc speakers. but i used to listen to loads of tapes from other people as a teenager so listening to music that doesnt have a cover doesnt bother me THAT much. but listening to music on shitty mp3s does bother me. so i like cds/vinyl (though the second option increasingly makes me feel like a total relic).

Keeping a backup in case of apocalypse. (CDs = electricity though, vinyl dudes are even safer.)

^^crippling fear of unexpected harddrive collapse keeps my wallet empty and my cd shelves overflowing.

why do people think a harddrive going kaput is unexpected? it will happen! everything fails, including cds, but harddrives moreso.

hard drives sucker you into completely relying on them, and then they go kaput.

vinyl is the best format ever, though not the most convenient, and the industry should have kept everything analogue and then they would not be in the position they are today ;)

vinyl is the best format ever, though not the most convenient,

You try moving 1000+ lps from one place to another, without getting a hernia

I love the ritual of going to a record store and choosing and buying a CD/vinyl, but I end up listening to 95% of my music on the PC. Maybe because I am more into playlists than actual records.

we keep two of these as backups for recorded media, photographs, etc:

http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11149

Physical copy is the archive, for me. Use high-quality mp3s for daily use, but I'll never trust an mp3--certainly I'll never buy one.

wnat 2 pwn music bc music si a gay nub lol

Wow, those brick HDs are nice! We have an external HD right now, only 250gb because we bought it a few years ago. It's really bulky and ugly so we tend to put it away unless we need to backup pictures/music. I think if we had a brick HD I'd probably just keep it out in the open instead of hiding it like a shunned stepdaughter.

I'll never trust an mp3--certainly I'll never buy one

I have a disproportionate fear of losing the mp3s i've bought online (beatport and kpakt-mp3) - I have them in my itunes music folder and elsewhere on my computer and on special backup dvds of their own. It makes absolutely no sense, given that i'm really quite cavalier about my cds (and non-legally downloaded mp3s etc), but the fact that there exists no physical form is somehow... anxiety-inducing.

the biggest "practical" reason i still buy is because i do a ton of listening in my car and ipod/radio can't hold a candle to CDs for sound quality. eventually that reason will go away but i'll still want to buy music to pay artists and i would much rather get a cd or lp for my money than a bunch of files.

Willie: Eva, stop bugging me, will you? You know, this is the way we eat in America. I got my meat, I got my potatoes, I got my vegetables, I got my dessert, and I don't even have to wash the dishes.

i'm with willie.

i like buying records because i like buying records, the ritual and the process, the waiting and the looking and the social aspect. i like owning records because i like owning records. some kind of mammal hoarding pathology. but at least half of what i listen to i dl (steal)

vinyl is the best format ever, though not the most convenient,

You try moving 1000+ lps from one place to another, without getting a hernia

― Vitbe Is Good Bread (Tom D.), Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:37 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

yo if you are serious u need to start working out stat.

I think one of the best reasons to buy music you like is just to allow people to keep focusing on making the music you like. Even a lot of the people you think are rolling in it are probably barely scraping by.

I just like owning things. I don't take books from the library for the same reason.

gatefolds, bro. gatefolds.

It's so fucking funny to me how trendy vinyl is. If you look at the 2003 post, everyone is talking about CDs as if there were no such thing as vinyl...now, in 2009, everyone is talking like they've never bought a CD in their life. They were into vinyl all along...

Pathetic.

2003 posts*

people's habit's change? yes, that is pathetic.

People's habits? Is that a joke? It's a fucking trend.

I see this is making you angry.

what are the regulations on who gets to buy vinyl?

so uh, ilx not down with Buddhisms

I have two backups, one at home, and one somewhere else... I don't want one theft to take away a lifetime's worth of music, if I do choose the all-on-a-hard-drive approach.

God doesn't let people with hard drives into heaven. You must have the vinyl to back it up. It says so somewhere in Revelations. Look it up.

I have two backups, one at home, and one somewhere else... I don't want one theft to take away a lifetime's worth of music, if I do choose the all-on-a-hard-drive approach.

how are you doing it? vpn/secure ftp or something like that?

You try moving 1000+ lps from one place to another, without getting a hernia

― Vitbe Is Good Bread (Tom D.), Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:37 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

Yeah, welcome to my day job mang.

In 2003 I was like the only guy I know NOT buying vinyl. Same in 2000, for that matter.

I wouldn't come done on someone for wanting vinyl for big pretty art and etc, but...

the whole nu-vinyl thing is kind of snake oil lol because like 95% of the records recorded in the last 10 years were recorded DIGITALLY and not to TAPE. If that's the case than vinyl should sound exactly like a CD, right?

I still keep my CDs because computers/iPods/iphones still don't have the memory to handle a whole shit ton of FLAC rips. A CD can do an mp3 in 320 or 192 or 128 or whatever the circumstances require.

I have two backups, one at home, and one somewhere else... I don't want one theft to take away a lifetime's worth of music, if I do choose the all-on-a-hard-drive approach.

I have seriously considered this. More worried about a house fire or something than I am about theft, although I guess they are about as likely.

A friend of mine who got really into the digitizing thing had a total loss house fire. Within a week, his entire huge collection of Pfunk and Zappa had been returned to him by friends who had copies of the data.

pays to be generous!

Oblig. snarky comment about huge Zappa collection.

It's so fucking funny to me how trendy vinyl is. If you look at the 2003 post, everyone is talking about CDs as if there were no such thing as vinyl...now, in 2009, everyone is talking like they've never bought a CD in their life. They were into vinyl all along...

Pathetic.

― Reatards Unite, Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

by that i mean BUY the records and CDs rather than just downloading or copying the material - would you say that the increase in the latter in recent years has affected your desire to own music as a physical artefact? i love the design and art of packaging for vinyl, and CDs to a lesser extent but its also become somewhat inconvenient and un-necessary...

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:11 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark

To once again quote Tod Ashley of Cop Shoot Cop/Fireater:

"I like the artifact. This is, I'm sure, very passé, but I like books, I like records, and I like cd's..."

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:18 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark

That’s not to say that I’ll ever want to get rid of my records becasue, well, I invested a lot of time trying to find them, but they take up T O O M U C H R O O M.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:58 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark

Also, try searching "vinyl" - plenty of people talking about it since inception of ILM pretty much.

Like loads of people upthread I like having physical artifacts - I'm currently doing a huge CD box-up/clear-out though 'cos I'm moving house at the end of March and they're taking up too much space. Having broadband and an iPod led to buying more vinyl (it's an artwork thing for me) 'cos I can just download the album if I want to listen to it on the go (which is where a lot of my listening is done, walking/on buses). It's been really cathartic getting rid of stuff.

I've gotten to the point where I feel I can't really enjoy music as much if I don't own it, which is to say I don't much care for music that's not mine (i.e. not someone else's music, be it a blogger's, a DJ's, ILM's, all the places I, kind of paradoxically, find music) but the stuff I just get on my own. Of course you can't be totally indifferent, as virtually all (non-used vinyl) music I buy comes to my ears via a computer first, and as I said, it's kind of a paradox, but a year ago I could see something downloaded off Sou1se3k an end in itself, whereas yesterday, I downloaded something to hear it and immediately deleted it. I liked it even, but felt not only no need to have it on my harddrive, but I seemingly preferred to just be without it.

I don't know if I'm just jaded, tired, or a sucker to commodity fetishism, or a bit of each.