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"Feel It Boy" -- Beenie Man & Janet vs. Agent X.

Agent X comes thru with a remix which lives up to its promise, turning the 'tunes riddim into everything it promised but didn't deliver.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 31 January 2003 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry but I love BOTH versions
also check Kele Le Roc/Agent X - "Skank"

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 1 February 2003 04:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah "Skank" is choice. So is Geenius vs Slimzee's "Log Off". Sterling did you hear the Agent X remix of "Always On Time"?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 2 February 2003 04:48 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh ooh and Eastside Connection's "We're Ready"!!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 2 February 2003 04:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Sticky & Viper's "I'm On A Mic" - that beat!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 2 February 2003 05:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I feel like I'm always the last one to know about these sorts of things, but I've listened to Sticky and Simon Sez's "No Long Ting!" about five times today.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Sunday, 2 February 2003 07:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim - which 2 albums are as good as anything in yer coll.? I mean, which one besides The Streets?

Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 2 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Just stumbled upon this so haven't checked out yet if the sound quality of mp3s is up to scratch, but... Agent X feat Kele Le Roc!
MJ Cole feat Elephant Man! Sticky feat Tubby T 'Ganjaman!' Sticky remix of Dem Lott! 3rd Edge vs Dnd! Mr Fidjit & Donae'O!

And it's all about the right click, which will please the antileech-hataz...
http://ukgmusic.cjb.net/

Mind Taker, Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

It's Tim Finney, ladies and gentlemen!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

are these tunes out on vinyl, or just floating around in the dubplate ether?
if vinyl, is anyone in the US carrying them, or do i have to order from juno?

all interest in garage seems to have dried up here in san francisco - amoeba's selection, once pretty damn thorough (especially on the ammunition tip) is now about 3 parts bargain-bin used records, and 1 part new releases, bad ones at that.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Paul, he means Immer

Keith McD (Keith McD), Monday, 3 February 2003 02:26 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks, I shoulda guessed. reminds me I must get "Flying Far" on vinyl

Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 3 February 2003 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Philip, I always have to order from Juno, Rhythm Division, Cage etc even here in New York

Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 3 February 2003 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

i really want to hear that sticky remix of dem lott....i cant get that site to work though.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay Tim!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:40 (twenty-three years ago)

yes friends what have we here! i luv pulse??

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

also generic sample of the year so far: grime club's shattery raid's malevolently arching "this isn't gonna work"!!

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:28 (twenty-three years ago)

and file next to artful dodger's basement remix: craig david- hidden agenda plasma remix

gosh!

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

favorite opening bit of the year so far: that stick remix of dem lott:

mc one: 'ey, you heard that new remix by dem lott and sticky?
mc two (nervous): w-what remix?
mc one: this one!
sound fx: boing! (or something)

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

i fully agree

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i love you remix by musical mobb...is that what yr talkibng about bob zemko? this is horrid. just got it yesterday. theres about 10 different tunes by musical mobb in uptown, pretty muich all the same stuff. what the hells going on? its all good....

ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

mine just sez "i luv pulse". i don't think i've ever thought anything was 'horrid'... :)

pulse eskimo may suit yr palate more

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:58 (twenty-three years ago)

haha i'm just gonna go and check if it's crap

zemko (bob), Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i also like the sample in the more fire/dizzy tune: "i don't try anything. i just do it."

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 February 2003 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.2stepsound.com/

has some nice mixes, though its more of the circa 2k feminine pressure bump&flex r&bnation tip.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Which was so much better, let's face it.

Ben Williams, Monday, 10 February 2003 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)

haha not bloody likely, ben

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

The only garage rap tune that really really cuts it is I Luv U. I like some of the other ones too (tho I made a CD up the other day and could only just about it fill with good stuff), but I'm not really hearing sonic revolution I'm afraid. One long blur of doomy strings, fart basslines, thudding beats and shouty choruses. It's tech-step with MCs. Give me vocal glossolalia, super-sharp break shimmers and sexy funk basslines any day of the week!

Ben Williams, Monday, 10 February 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i find this stuff endlessly fascinating and i'm not even sure why. it's a dead end, but then again darkcore at face value was a dead-end too. there are things to be used, to be amplified and heightened, to be transformed into the next "revolution" to be sure, and i guess what i find so exciting about it is the fact that so much of it sounds like its burbling to half-life before my ears.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

personally i find 'the revolution' as much social as sonic. i can imagine a foreigner's ennui i guess. still, if u have some appreciation for ephemera...

zemko (bob), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm liking it cos everyone else is basically! it's the personality of it rather than dryly preserving compare/contrasting sonic continuums

zemko (bob), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean, "sonic" is so that kinda word

zemko (bob), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

(didn't mean 'foreigner' to sound quite how it did, sorry)

zemko (bob), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree, the allure is social. It's going somewhere, and it doesn't feel like it's being propelled by record companies (because of course it's not). An entire genre whose validity depends upon the illicitness of its means of dissemination. er...

Dan I., Monday, 10 February 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

The Emma Feline - December '02 Mix from the site is great.

Especially about 37 minutes in where it does the Nelly & Kelly vs. So Solid "Dilemma" throwdown that I've been dreaming of.

This is like my fave. garage moment thus far of the year.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 10 February 2003 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I am actually not a furriner.

Bitching aside, I like Ganjaman a lot right now. I thought Sticky had fallen into drudgery with stuff like Golly Gosh, so it's good to see him doing a worthy follow-up to More Weed.

Ben Williams, Monday, 10 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

oh sorry, i thought you were new yorkian for some reason

zemko (bob), Monday, 10 February 2003 23:00 (twenty-three years ago)

horrid = well good. im not really sre what to do with this stuff though. it only bears about 1 mins worth of being played before i need to get rid of it, nad im not quick enough at cueing up yet. need some acapellas. the problem is, as usual, things that i take home and play them on my lame stereo, i think, why have i bought this, then when i hear it on a proper massive pa, then i think...thats why i bought it.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-three years ago)

there are things to be used, to be amplified and heightened, to be transformed into the next "revolution"

I agree, so how is it a dead end, Jess?

Keith McD (Keith McD), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

dead end if driven down this path of oom-pah beats and claps (which is still terribly exciting right now) indef., ala techstep like ben sez above. (even then, however, i think the rapping twists would keep it exciting to some degree, and i think its particularly short sighted to focus on the sonixxx over the wordz right now.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess I love their sonix! More than their words even. I think it could turn into an endlessly productive "dead-end" like house did. The other night I heard a spectacular house/techno set on the radio including this great mix of Xtina's beautiful and lotsa other stuff and the hard house keeps coming with good stuff & maybe is most like the looped vocal trend of recent 2 step (wiley mainly) like with I Luv You but also Heartless Theme and various others.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 03:51 (twenty-three years ago)

man, i really love heartless theme. that shoulda been in my top 10

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 03:53 (twenty-three years ago)

and "oi!". my top 10 sucks

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 03:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree that the rapping is much more interesting than the music.

Tho even there... things like Dem Lott and Oi make me think of the Grange Hill theme tune for some reason (there is a better musical analogy for this)... it's the cartoony shouting, it's hard to take seriously, it's like a bunch of kids acting hard--tho it's quite possible it isn't meant to be taken seriously... and then I think of Roots Manuva quite often, particularly with Roll Deep stuff like Regular, which sounds exactly like him... on the other hand, I dug out the Pay As You Go mix the other day and liked it a lot more than the first time around...

All I'm saying is, I liked the old style more. So sue me! I even liked the MCs in the old style more, thinking of something like Sweetie Irie (I think) on the Ed Case Sound of the Pirates mix, that was so much more playful and demented than all this doom and gloom....

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah sorry ambrose, i was thinking "eh? but then he sez it's all good..." i am not even a dj, so things smack even more of pointlessness for me

the wiley-inspired stuff is surely the most playful and demented music for ages precisely because it skirts random shouty aggression with sproingy bounce. it's a bit like 'who framed roger rabbit', the weird and malevolent idea of being killed dead by a cartoon

of late there's been a rallying around more 'musical' 4/4 like jon e cash's 'war' to compensate for the bassline kids... this stuff is infinitely more fluid and grimy than horspower and dubplate.net's schtick which seems to have just stopped stone dead post-in fine style

zemko (bob), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

ambrose what you need is an mc my friend

zemko (bob), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but then following on from my 80s hiphop parallel elsewhere some of these dj only cuts do have crazy things going on on the b-sides...

zemko (bob), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

i dunno. this is so nihilistic! its like the end. i seem to have spent so long searching for the anti-music, when i was a angsty teen: first dhr, then speedranch, then drillnbass. aggression, then sheer noise (see 'satanstornade'), finally speed.the uest for the most toally destructive end of music. but this stff beats it hands down. its utterly empty, wrong, beastly, terrifing vacant. and so energetic! teres such a rush when you go into the shops and see all the kids asking for these tunes. all for this stripped down vacuum! brilliant. what a great time. not only is this the death of music, in its banal simplicity, but its a fucking funky way to go out!
the music is dead! long live the music(al mobb)!

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:19 (twenty-three years ago)

re: the whole dead end issue (like this thread, i'm afraid - i'm coming back to it a bit late) - i think there's a possibility that some of the slinkier minimalist/darkside garage (ghost, tempa, shelf life etc.) could still link up with minimal techno and microhouse at some point. horsepower sounds a lot, at some times, like force inc -styled dub techno. soft pink truth and akufen both have cribbed some seriously 2-step swing. and i think the influence is only growing - kit clayton has been asking to borrow garage records lately, and lo and behold, his new 12" on soul jazz kicks off with some really swung beats. i don't think it's necessarily a logical progression, but i think there are a lot of grey areas where the two camps could inform each other, if anyone in the middle is listening.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 01:54 (twenty-three years ago)

the problem i have with horsepower (not to go over this again) was that it seemed like a bunch of old hands who'd been and honed their chops elsewhere decided to get together and 'push garage forward' and onto some elevated plane where fashion became style. i mean an amel larrieux sample on their first single, (electro bass) how gilles peterson is that! some irie character chatting about governments! orson welles bloated and corrupted in 'touch of evil'! it sounded crafted and tasteful and artificial and though the lp had flashes of brilliance, i found the context was totally enervating. you might well say i have a problem with over idealizing the KIDS as a MOVEMENT but while the emphasis is on 'informing' one another rather than natural selection i see only doom, and occasional fleeting outside patronage. yay manitoba!

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 02:44 (twenty-three years ago)

it's more than technique

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 02:45 (twenty-three years ago)

like amnbrose says going into the shops and seeing the madness is a total epiphany, and instantly whacks the idea of progress round the head with a big old club. not saying it's right, but...

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

i put the horsepower album on my pazz and jop top 10, but it was a mistake

free jazz and fusion may not have been nearly as significant causes to the death of jazz as inside jazz being PERFECTED by the 50s and 60s greats was. I understand this is uncharacteristic of me to say. discuss.

-- Josh (kortbei...) (webmail), August 29th, 2002

replace free jazz with garage rap and fusion with uh, fusion and "jazz" with 2-step, re. horsepower et al

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

or the notion of jazz being perfected, yeah. in this instance re horsepower they thought themselves the perfectors and were summarily ignored; with jazz i imagine it became a media/audience concept that the artists couldn't shake off in years to come

there's prob a good thread on "genre arrest: inner or outer?" if it wasn't 4am

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 03:45 (twenty-three years ago)

hoo boy i'm just glad i didn't instantly get 20 posts grilling me on "natural selection"! :)

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 03:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm fairly ambivalent about Horsepower, but do they really think of themselves as the "perfectors" of 2-step? They sound like more of a dubby offshoot to me. Don't you at least have some quotes to drag out here before you set them up as the evil middle-class tastemakers in opposition to the kids and their anti-music (not that old saw again...)?

I'm not really buying this "ooh, it's so nihilistic" line. I have no difficulty listening to Pulse X for more than 30 seconds; I just get bored to tears, not repulsed by the evil darkness. As repetitive minimalism goes, it ain't that great (I pulled out "Manslaughter" the other day; now that's 'orrible...)

(I await your barbed sentences contining words like "ennui" ;)

Ben Williams, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

The main problem with "In Fine Style" isn't that it's too classy or refined but that it's too restrained. I could deal with the tastefulness if they'd just bust out a big chorus every now and then. This is why "Django's Sound" is far-and-away the best track there - it's so deliciously catchy and rhythmically effervescent. The album would still be in my top 20 for last year I imagine.

The Hyperdub/Dubplate/Forward sound is pretty drab now though because the scene itself has swerved elsewhere, and they've all been left trying to catch up - all the desperate attempts at sleazy darkcore 4-beat and 8-bar just sound so hamfisted: explanations of the "new thing" for those who couldn't bear to listen to what the new thing actually is.

And really the space that "nu-dark swing" occupied was an important one only so long as the primary tension within garage was between feminine 2-step and masculine breakbeat, because it offered a "third way" that navigated a course between these two poles and (groove-wise at least) took the best of both. Once the 4-beat/electro/garage-rap waves shifted the goal-posts, nu-dark swing went from being an intriguing peninsula to being an isolated outcrop. For a good while though it was where the best grooves were.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:10 (twenty-three years ago)

tim, classy and refined are pretty much critical shorthand for "restrained"...most tasteful records i know don't tend to bust out into big choruses anyway. (unless you've got some martian/australian concept of tastefulness i'm not familiar with.)

also, "oi" and it's followers are not good grooves at all. nothing which induces the urge to pogo or bang ones head can be said to have "groove" can it?

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Idunno about that. The cool thing about them is that they're hard and banging but still have a hypersyncopated groove thang going on, albeit incredibly warped. What's your definition of groove?

Keith McD (Keith McD), Friday, 14 February 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

something that makes the middle of my boy move.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"tim, classy and refined are pretty much critical shorthand for "restrained"...most tasteful records i know don't tend to bust out into big choruses anyway. (unless you've got some martian/australian concept of tastefulness i'm not familiar with.) "

I meant that their stylistic choices and affectations (the jazzy, reggae, soul etc. etc. elements) are all fine, but that they could on the whole be expressed with a bit more energy and enthusiasm. An example of the distinction: MJ Cole's "Crazy Love" is classy and refined but in no way restrained; So Solid Crew's "Dilemma" is restrained but in no way classy and refined.

"also, "oi" and it's followers are not good grooves at all. nothing which induces the urge to pogo or bang ones head can be said to have "groove" can it?"

Well this is the whole point, innit? The paradigm shift away from good grooves (which, I think, only really happened in 2002 - "Oi" and "Pulse X" being the kickstarters - as the first wave of garage crews usually had impeccable and prissy production (see particularly Oxide, who's practically dainty!)) has left the nu-dark swing producers with no way to exploit their consummate skillz, so now a lot of them are trying to make deliberately harsh and angular records that just can't compete with Wiley Kat et. al. It reminds me of when V Records started releasing really crappy pseudo-techstep (which totally fits my whole Horsepower = Reprazent analogy too).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 February 2003 05:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Proof of garage's ability to make anything pop: the vocal mix of Musical Mob's "Pulse X" with Lorraine Cato sounds like a Sticky R&B tune - as with all former dark-edge innovations within garage (2-step, nasty basslines, soca-beat, 4-beat), the harshest 8-bar is only a slick face-paint away from pure pop confection.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 February 2003 06:58 (twenty-three years ago)

All you good garage-lovin' people, go download MJ Cole's remix of Lamb's "Gabriel" off ukgmusic.cjb.net. It's awesome, gorgeous Todd-Edwardsy 4beat, his best in ages!!! (Much better than you'd expect from the proposition, honest)

Mind Taker, Sunday, 16 February 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

it's so great how every time i see/hear/whatever of lamb i immediately think of global communications

zemko (bob), Sunday, 16 February 2003 23:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
tearing t and b-side feat courtney melody - highway robbery...

it's fucking over man!! roaming bassline that sounds like the word "modulated" with little gasps like tiny teddy bears being punched in the throat

ok i'll get bored of it soon but allow me this

zemko (bob), Saturday, 8 March 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...
so are people still making "2-step" trax? i don't mean horsepower ganja stank stuff, i mean ala happy hardcore "r&b garridge will never die" stuff? i suspect so.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

dem 2 - luvs hard.

sounds like its from 1998. (now someone tells me it is)

most of the record shops i go to have the battle lines drawn up: on one side: the last few mj cole tunes, tuff jam shit, reissues of 'classics', and stuff from 1998, on the other white label wiley/big shot/jon e cash biznizz......

cit sounds eg has stopped stocking any grime stuff. they have regressed to...utter bollocks. quite liked the boo kroo tune with sticky. couldnt decide whether it was too novelty or not.

al;so, new tune that im into - mr fidgit feat DMC. Dilemma is a bit of a shit Mc, but I quite like how lame he is, in comparison to the East end lot. so basic, so much bragadoccio, but it sounds pretty nervous, like hes too scared to take on the big (titchy strider /!) boys.
Mr fidgit might be alright. the new sticky replacement. 'westside' is not really going to convince is it though?

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 18 August 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone told me that speed garage is making a comeback, and is now being called "old school" (all hail the compression of time!). Is it true? There's got to be some deep blackberry Jameson style tracks out there, but I haven't heard any...

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

ha i anxiously await the return of speed garage with baited breath.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 18 August 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

there's a whole load of instrumental tunes coming out that aren't all hard, angular, bludgeoning, belligerent and all those words people use to describe garage though.
exploring different emotional territory
like rapid's icey melancholy
wistful tunes, melancholic tunes, summery tunes, hopeful tunes
it's still moving cos it's responsive to the audience, you know, the biggest crews are still on radio every week, still doing raves, they know what gets requested what getes rewinds what gets the response.
flutes, pianos, synths
breezy things, sunny things, rainy things
all sorts

luke van winkle, Monday, 18 August 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah obviously one of the most exciting things about grime at the moment is its Foul Play-ification. If that makes sense (see: "R U Double F", "Ain't A Game", "Vice Versa (Remix)", "Fresh Air", "You Were Always", that Skepta tune with the cut-up female vocal that Keith talks about on his blog).

If this development really takes hold (ie. ruff electro-handclap tunes are on the outer) I think that 2-step of yore will really die in the arse, or at least become a strictly generational ting with a constantly shrinking fanbase. Whereas at least Speed Garage has a vague purpose for continued existence, as what it does is sufficiently different.

(query: is it possible that it was jungle's return to the light from late '93-'96 that caused happy hardcore to jump back onto 4/4 kickdrums in a major way - the existence of "Renegade Snares" negating the motivation for the continued production of '92 style ardkore tunes, and pushing happy hardcore producers further back in time (and closer to gabba) in an effort to differentiate themselves? Does someone who was on the ground at the time know?)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 18 August 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Also that gorgeous track 22 minutes into the Nasty Crew realaudio set (the one with Sharkie's "Funny style" rap from his "Icerink" freestyle)!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

foul playification, thats good, nice one tim! thats exactly what i mean. especially as those tracks always used to coexist with the bluuurdclaaart jungle techno, before alex reese types decided they needed a seperate scene.

luka vandross, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yo, don't get me wrong, i'm still all about the grimey beautifulness, but i've been on a straight old school tip lately and i've exhausted my old records.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

And what's good about the Foul Playification *this time* is that as long as you've got kids like Tinchey Strider rapping over the beats it's gonna be very difficult for it to turn into an Alex Reece/Bukem style 'good taste' sector (I'm not yet convinced that Tinchey Strider is good for anything else but then I've obviously not heard everything).

And yer right Luka, it's hearing these fragile/beautiful/wistful tracks in the middle of grimey darkness that makes them so extra-compelling.

Also I've been coming around to the idea Keith's been expounding re switching between garage tempo and half-speed tracks and the awesome vibe that can be created by alternating back and forth. Mainly b/c it works so well on Nasty Crew sets (I'm retrospectively assuming this was also the motivation behind the speed of the Basement Mix of Artful Dodger's "Ruff Neck Sound").

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i never got strider either until last night. it was him wiley and a guy called kama who i'd never heard of. kama had the best lyrics and the best flow but you could hardly hear him over the music cos his voice was too weak. strider you could hear every word, and i thought THATS IT, his voice cuts through anything.

luka vandross, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 07:09 (twenty-two years ago)

yes that's true, contntent aside strider's is as much a musical device as say kano's rangy rhythmic flow, long swathes of breathless treble drone

Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 07:50 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
OK, it's high time for a revival. I'm tired of macho-Adanceable grime. It's fun and all, but I want some bright shiny POP. More "Out of Your Mind" and less 'riddims' and 'toasts' which I've honestly only put up with. k thx bye.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the techy midpoint between microhouse and 2step: markus enochson's remixes of brandy's "what about us" and craig david's "what's your flava" for the g.a.m.m. label.

these tracks are utterly bonkers and easily soulseeked.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll check it out!

I made a lot of pronouncements about the end of pop music, and the end of history due to "Out of Your Mind". I still don't think it's been topped. Everything since has been a retreat!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:36 (twenty-one years ago)

b-but Spencer have you heard all the Aftershock tunes? "So Sure"? "So Contagious"? "One Wish (Terra Danjah Remix)"? "Love Is Here To Stay"? These are like grime entirely scrubbed of its machoness. Don't know if they work on the dancefloor as I've never heard them played out obv but they *feel* very danceable.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been listening to "So Sure" for months. I love it, but I miss the syncopated helium high of (sweet) female 2-step vocals!!! Dude, B-15 Project!? Come on! Grime can't touch't!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

True but it's too soon for a straight revival (or, rather, it's too soon for a more extensive resurrection of 2-step themes to be anything *but* a straight revival), and I think we gotta give grime-pop a chance to reach its full potential. It reminds me a bit of how Reynolds describes early Foul Play/Omni Trio stuff as being a return to uplifting rave but more wracked and ambivalent.

I think the "One Wish" remix is the furthest Terra's gone in that saccharine grime direction ("So Sure" is more like a grime producer's attempt at R&B) despite it being rap-based. The sounds are so sparkly!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Off to find "One Wish". You're right of course about the requirement for more than just a straight revival. I'm just impatient and feeling that feminine pressure if you know what I mean... Also, I haven't actually seen any garridge culture first hand for a couple years, so who knows... maybe it's happening right now!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, you've heard the Delinquent remix of Gemma Fox - "Gone"? That's what got me going on this recent revival kick.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

more wracked and ambivalent

o man...THIS is what i need!

gaz (gaz), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

fierce love. nailbiting beauty. violent happiness.

gaz (gaz), Friday, 1 October 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I think everyone just needs to throw on Tina Moore - "Never Gonna Let You Go (Kelly G Bump-N-Go Vocal Mix)" and remember.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

G.A.M.M. is a very good label.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 1 October 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

bowel loosening bass

xpostx2

gaz (gaz), Friday, 1 October 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry everybody. I was just being drunk and nostalgic...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

no, you're right -ish

gaz (gaz), Friday, 1 October 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

G.A.M.M. is a very good label.

ronan is a man who knows what's up.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 1 October 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim! If this is the Shystie remix you're talking about, then I really don't see how it is the furthest Terra's gone in that saccharine grime direction despite it being rap-based. The sounds are so sparkly! It sounds like a dubby dirgey death-step to me!!

Here's the page link if that doesn't work: http://www.ukrecordshop.com/shop/catalog/Shystie__One_Wish__Network_Music_p_16236.html

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 3 October 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't play that file (have to download Windows Media to my laptop, which will probably take forever) so I'm not sure if they're the same, though from the site's description I imagine they are. I guess "One Wish (Remix)" is quite melancholic but only in the same manner that Target's stuff (eg. "Chosen One", his remix of "Pick Yourself Up") is. Its strings 'n' sitars are really very pretty though. I'd never describe it as dirgey death-step (on reflection "Love Is Here To Stay" is possibly sweeter, but then it has those big Skepta basslines, so is a bit, ahem, blunter).

It's possible that my perceptions have been skewed by all the grime I've listened to. Even Kano's (ace) "Ps & Qs" sounds marvellously pop to me.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 3 October 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

...Of course "Ps & Qs" was produced by Davinche, who's always pop even when he's trying to be hard and macho and more syncoapted than anyone else in the biz. Spencer have you heard Davinche's "Leave Me Alone"? Another diva track, although if you don't like the tracks I've been recommending it may not be worth the trouble.

Grrr it's been over a year and I still haven't found a copy of "Pick Yourself Up (Target Remix)"! And I've kept that spectral synth hook in my head all this time.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 3 October 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

I was in Protaras & Ayia Napa in Summer 01 and this song was massive! Okay I was only 6 but, I remember it! Even my 42 year old Mam was singing this, as it was soooo catchy! Loved Cyprus wif my sisters! :D

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 18 September 2008 21:52 (seventeen years ago)


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