B Idol 'Rebel Yell' vs B Springsteen 'Born in the USA'

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Big fuckin' drums!

I like K Forsey better than A Baker, but 'BITUSA' sort of wins for keeping up the fluorescent battery throughout where 'RY' kind of dies after "F4F". (Photon torpedoes striking ever closer to the heart of Gen X...)

dave q, Friday, 14 February 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

For more Idolatry check my blog out - scrape.blogspot.com

(dunno how to do links even at this late date)

dave q, Friday, 14 February 2003 11:31 (twenty-three years ago)

That is a great list on your blog, Dave. I spent a lot of time listening to 'Rebel Yell' while cruising round Denver over xmas and was reminded again of its peerless genius. 'Eyes without a face'! 'Blue Highway'! 'Daytime Drama'! 'Flesh for Fantasy'! 'Catch my fall'! I even like the ballad on side 2. Was Steve Stevens the best rock guitarist of the 80s? And where is he now? And why is no one making rock sound so scifi any more?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

If I was backed into a corner with a gun held to my head I suppose Born In The USA is maybe just fractionally less unbearably awful.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:55 (twenty-three years ago)

stewart- b-but Billy Idol is grebt (well 'White wedding' is the only Billy idol track I can recall ever hearing and that's really good).

'Born in the USA' is kinda terrible. the synths really make me puke.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 February 2003 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio, I have had the dubious pleasure of meeting Mr Broad and he may only be described as "grebt" if the definition of "grebt" is or at least approximates to "arrogant, obnoxious, tosser".

Some of the Generation X stuff was pretty good 'though.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 14 February 2003 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The sytnhs are really out of place, yeah. I'll take "Rebel Yell" over any track on Born in the USA but I'd take "Dancing on the Dark" over any other track on Rebel Yell.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 14 February 2003 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Never heard the Rebel Yell LP. I like all the Boss's LPs, as far as I can remember.

the pinefox, Friday, 14 February 2003 14:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to go bowling in the town over from mine, Monroe IA. On fridays it wz "party bowl" or something so they had disco/black lites and the jukebox cranked. Said jukebox was programmed to play a random track off the Garth Brooks best-of in between all selections, no matter what. We'd cram our money in and get "On the Road Again" and "Dancing With Myself" as many times as we could.

Generation X were terrible.

g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

'Born in the USA' is kinda terrible. the synths really make me puke.

Of all the tracks on that record, that one dates the worst. Whether you like that whole big-ass, whoop-it-up E Street Band sound that is overdone all over the place is another matter entirely. I go back and forth. "Working on the Highway" makes me want to put my eyes out, but "I'm Goin' Down" is brilliant.

Er... sometimes.

Kenan Hebert, Friday, 14 February 2003 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you kiddding? No contest. Idol all the way.

maria b (maria b), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

"Generation X were terrible."

Ah c'mon: Wild Youth, Ready Steady Go, No No No, 100 Punks, Day By Day, Friday's Angels, King Rocker, Running With The Boss Sound.... a bit blatant and a bit formulaic maybe, but surely not *terrible* (and certainly a bloody sight better than anything "Gen-X" did after Bob Andrews and Mark Laff left or indeed anything that either Mr Idol or Mr James have done subsequently!)?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll take "Born in the U.S.A.," even if it's the unpopular choice.

hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

For a start, Generation X were fucking GREAT!

Secondly, both the track "Rebel Yell" and the album that shares the title are fucking * L I G H T Y E A R S * better than *ANYTHING* Springsteen has ever wheezed out of his pie hole, not least his perpetually misunderstood paean to disenfranchised Vietnam vets. Springsteen's heart's always been in the right place, but "Born in the USA" was fucking dead on arrival ("Stillborn in the USA"?). "Rebel Yell," meanwhile, apart from being entirely silly, is simply a great fuckin' tune. Don't really know precisely what Sir William is talking about therein ("She said 'Come on baby I got a licence for love And if it expires pray help from above'"), but dang if it ain't a whole lot of stoopid fun. DO YOU HATE FUN? (.....at last an opportunity to turn that question around!)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

this one is realll tough for me. I love both, '80s keyboard anguish-as-triumph nirvana.

I'll give the Boss the nod (esp. with all the hating going on here), if only because I mix up "Rebel Yell" with "White Wedding" in my head some times. If it was "Catch My Fall" vs. "Born In The U.S.A." then Mr. Whiplash Smile might have taken the trophy.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 14 February 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

"Rebel Yell" is better but then so is everything else. Springsteen is a grunting, hairy arse. I hate him.

Venga, Friday, 14 February 2003 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd pay good money to see Mr. Broad and Mr. Springsteen race their tour buses to the edge of the Grand Canyon, but only if someone cut the brakelines first.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 14 February 2003 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)

the definition of "grebt" is or at least approximates to "arrogant, obnoxious, tosser".

Of course that's what it means. That's half the appeal of Idol anyway, I mean WTF is the guy thinking dressing like that and riding motorcycles around and naming himself 'Billy Idol'? He's the white Prince of egomania - completely nuts. Hence: Grebt.

Millar (Millar), Friday, 14 February 2003 23:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I put on "Blue Highway" to see if it was as great as I remembered it . It was, but what really struck me was that vocals in the verse really reminded me of Lloyd Cole! With a bit of Jim Morrison posturing. I wonder what the Pinefox would think of it.

And, yes, Generation X were amazing. Is this some leftover Class of '77 punk realness thing--I just don't get it. How can you argue with such terrific pop songs? And Derwood's hair! What a fabulous!

Arthur (Arthur), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:34 (twenty-three years ago)

It's harder to imagine Billy Idol taking a shit than Springsteen, so my vote goes to Idol. That's been a good barometer of cool for me for years.

maria b (maria b), Saturday, 15 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm. Mr. Broad was an obnoxious, arrogant, and self-centered. Stewart must have met him before he learnt humility (about the 47th minute of his _Behind the Music_ appearance, i reckon).

That said, if we're just going by the songs, then Billy by a wide margin. I can't help but see Reagan re-election rallies in my head everytime i hear that particular cut by Broooce.

But i still like _Nebraska_ a whole lot, even if it's a totally calculated move before crashing into the mainstream.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

I listened to the whole BORN IN THE USA LP again last night, and was reminded of how ambivalent I have always been about it, how odd it is. Supposedly big and iconic, but it features waff bar-room cornball tat like 'Darlington County'? What's that all about?

I wonder if a lot of it was recorded live - might explain the odd roughness of the arrangements / performances (despite the supposedly 'smooth' / 1980s keyboards).

the pinefox, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:20 (seventeen years ago)

I didn't much care for the Springsteen album when it came out except maybe for "I'm On Fire" single which still holds up pretty well. It was so sparkly and clean and wussified that it really made my flesh crawl.

I certainly played the shit out of Rebel Yell. Billy's hedonistic lyrics detail the excessive mind-set of his drug and sex-addled disposition in a very honest and believable portayal. Stevens guitar work is so impressively precise, he could make diarea sound galvanically cleansed. The material has a grit and purity that made the 80's so much better.

I would have gotten along just fine if BITUSA never even saw the light of day; i can't make that same statement for Rebel Yell.

christoff, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 18:36 (seventeen years ago)

I wonder if a lot of it was recorded live - might explain the odd roughness of the arrangements / performances (despite the supposedly 'smooth' / 1980s keyboards).

Yes, it was-- mostly live in studio with some overdubs after.

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 21:03 (seventeen years ago)


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