James Blount, I kiss you...

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...for alerting me to the existence of Chains + Black Exhaust. There will never be a film starring both Bruce Lee and Steve McQueen, but having my suspicion completely confirmed that there are many lost songs out there that simultaneously sound like Funkadelic and the Stooges gives me untold amounts of ecstatic glee.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

chains is a great boot. does anyone know who is actually on it?

jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I have yet to see any sort of tracklisting anywhere.

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Some of the songs remain a SEEKRIT MYSTERY, but I found a mostly-complete tracklisting.

1.skit
2.Blackrock - Yeah Yeah
3.Black Merda - Cynthy-Ruth
4.Doug Anderson - Mama, Here Comes The Preacher
5.Iron Knowledge - Showstopper
6. ?
7.LA Carnival - Blind Man
8.Preacher - Life Is A Gamble
9.Sir Stanley - I Believe I Found Myself
10. ?
11.Jade - Paper Man
12.Gran Am - Get High
13.Curtis Knight - The Devil Made Me Do It
14. ?
15.Hot Chocolate - What's Good For The Goose*
16. ?
17.skit
18.Creations Unlimited - Crystal Illusion

*I think this is Hot Chocolate is not the "You Sexy Thing" Hot Chocolate but another one entirely.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Kill that first "is" in the footnote.

More on the other Hot Chocolate

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre400/e445/e44533dl30e.jpg

!!!!!!!!

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

rub-a-dub-dub

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I so need this. I just don't get why someone would release and not want to credit all the bands.

dleone (dleone), Saturday, 15 February 2003 04:43 (twenty-three years ago)

It's the Secret Crate-Digger's Code! (shhh)

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 05:08 (twenty-three years ago)

It's pretentious as fuck.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 15 February 2003 05:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually it dates back to the proto hip-hop days of the mid-late '70s (DJs would steam the labels off 12"s and replace them so others wouldn't steal their breaks), but yeah, it's kind of stupid to do that WITH A COMP.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 06:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the somewhat nefarious nature of the comp might have something to do with the lack of a tracklist

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 February 2003 06:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I kiss you both for getting me a tracklist, and for Yanc3y for getting me a copy of the thing to begin with. viva la pretentious-as-funk!

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 February 2003 06:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, my basic problem is ... we've had this whole surfeit of reissues of all kinds of wonderful music the last few years. There's almost uniformly been a kind of care and loving regard for it all. old disco, world music, italian film soundtracks, library stuff .. it's all packaged with high attention to detail, liner notes, etc. One gets the sense these people are really dedicated to this music.

Only with the beat miner community (or whatever the heck they call themselves), could you get something like this. And even then it's only a select few. I've got tons of old funk 45 comps where the compilers state the efforts they went through to contact the original artists and whatnot. Sometimes going as far as to say "if you're one of the artists featured here PLEASE get it touch!"

I guess it just irked me because I was actually in the process of listening to a couple great comps I just bought tonight, Ghana Soundz and Funk Cargo. The first has amazingly detailed liner notes; the latter just a track listing but also a small heartfelt dedication to one of the artists, who had recently died.

I mean I don't what these folks think they got out of doing the comp- money, notoriety what-have-you. The least they could do is honor the ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO MADE THE FUCKING MUSIC.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 15 February 2003 06:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the somewhat nefarious nature of the comp might have something to do with the lack of a tracklist

But James, if folks are brazen enough to boot the likes of the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, etc. and get away with it, you can't tell me these people were actually scared of a bunch of forgotten men in their 50's who will almost certainly never see this thing.

I'm not even talking about giving them money or anything like that. I'm just saying put there name on there, so people like you and me can say "wow, Timmy McNutt and the Funky Fritters sure did smoke!" I mean lets acknowledge that some human being somewhere struggled to make the music, not that some overweening hipster found the records in a basement.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Some overweening hipster struggled to find the records in a basement.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:14 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe they dont know the proper credits?

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:15 (twenty-three years ago)

He certainly did, anyone would struggle only making minimum working in a record store for a living.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:18 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe they dont know the proper credits?

But Chaki, they own the vinyl used to produce the comp themselves.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Timmy McNutt sure did smoke though!

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:19 (twenty-three years ago)

One of my all time favorites! Second only to Ray Frazier And The Shades Of Madness!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:21 (twenty-three years ago)

although I think Nate's reason is actually closer to the reason there ain't no tracklist; the turntablist community can be pretty paranoid and, er, obscurantist when it comes to beatmining so it seems the most likely reason (it's the reason I was given). the flipside of all this is we get comps like the funky 16 corners, that other stone's throw comp, various dj shadow break comps, hell everything back to and including ultimate breaks and beats. for better or worse I rarely look at tracklists or linernotes anyway (hence most songs become 'the one with the thing' or 'the other one').

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:26 (twenty-three years ago)

do you have kfc skin piles bucketheadbreaks?

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:27 (twenty-three years ago)

is that the one with the one with the thing?

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:29 (twenty-three years ago)

That's a fair explanation, James, but then as Nate mentions, why put the thing on a comp? He's just allowing other people to steal the beats. And if he's already used it in a production, then what's left to hide anymore?

I understand where you're coming from wrt not caring too much - you listen to enough of these type of comps and it all sort of whizzes by in a blur. But I am interested in learning things like, which cities were producing most of this stuff, which labels were prolific, what crazy-ass group names did they come up with...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:33 (twenty-three years ago)

can someone share this on slsk please????

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 15 February 2003 07:34 (twenty-three years ago)

oh boy does Chaki need to hear some of this stuff...

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 February 2003 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

And does anyone have a picture of the CD cover anywhere?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.aquariusrecords.org/images/vachainscd.jpg

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 15 February 2003 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

(It's the best I can do.)

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 15 February 2003 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Good enough.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
i still cant find this :/

chaki (chaki), Friday, 11 April 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

chaki, check your email

JasonD (JasonD), Saturday, 12 April 2003 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Why did I never see this thread? I've been emailing with the Jones people, and I think they might give me a tracklist (they contacted me cuz of my Neumu review, which apparently was the first article about this record). If they do I'll let you guys know. Anyway, this isn't that hard to find -- I've seen used copies in NYC several times, and Aquarius in San Fran has it... But you should definitely get it. Amazing stuff. No. 5 in my Pazz & Jop ballot last year!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Saturday, 12 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

shit i never see it.

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 12 April 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

aquarius doesn't have it.

JasonD (JasonD), Saturday, 12 April 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

who cares

st, Saturday, 12 April 2003 23:30 (twenty-three years ago)

The description at top sounds good but I don't know what this is.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 13 April 2003 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)

this'll at least give you an idea of what it is:
http://neumu.net/fortyfour/2003/2003-00012/2003-00012_fortyfour.shtml

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Sunday, 13 April 2003 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Why don't ppl just grab it off slsk? It's there.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

ok got it! damn this shit rocks!

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 13 April 2003 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)

where'd you find it?

JasonD (JasonD), Sunday, 13 April 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I can fill in some gaps on this. Jones Records is a made-up front. This is actually put out by Memphix, a label/DJ collective made up of a couple of guys in Memphis and one in Chicago. The mysterious nature is a combination of legal worries, intentional myth-making, and total accident (apparently it was supposed to have the title on the spine, but the printer screwed it up, so some copies have hand-written stickers and some don't). The intent, or so I've been told, was to put out a small run as "demo," drum up some interest, and then re-release it legit. It's supposedly coming out next year on a label connected to Stones Throw, fully licensed, with track listings, liner notes, etc. The content will probably change a little depending on how licensing goes.

A couple of tracks are from Memphis, lot from Ohio, one even from an Omaha band, apparently.

As for the tracks unaccounted for in the listing above, I can add the following:

#6 is supposedly by someone called "Jacobs Kelly," don't know the title
#10 is a mystery, but is supposedly from a Bay Area band
#14 is "Black Cobra" by Cody (or maybe Curly) Davis and the Uniques
#16 is "Keep On Pushing" by Stone Cold White

chris herrington, Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

roxor!

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks for the post, chris! (and rereading the email i got from them, i'm realizing they said a lot of that, but i totally misread it)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I have that Black Merda 45, somehow.

Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

i kiss james, too. i snagged a copy from aquarius after seeing this thread, and it's since become one of my favorites. kisses as well to nate and chris for clearing up tracklisting mysteries.
fyi, this comp sounds really, really good in conjunction with parliament's "osmium", "cherrystone's rocks", and oneida's "each one teach one".

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

i care

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...
Reviving because I'm listening to it for the first time right now and it's great way to keep the Evil Forces of UCI away.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Friday, 12 September 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone come up with a more complete track listing?

smoky topaz (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 12 September 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

this is on my copy:

1.skit
2.Blackrock - Yeah Yeah
3.Black Merda - Cynthy-Ruth
4.Doug Anderson - Mama, Here Comes The Preacher
5.Iron Knowledge - Showstopper
6.Jakobs Kelly - Funk Key
7.LA Carnival - Blind Man
8.Preacher - Life Is A Gamble
9.Sir Stanley - I Believe I Found Myself
10.Young Senators - Ringing Bells pt. 2
11.Jade - Paper Man
12.Gran Am - Get High
13.Curtis Knight - The Devil Made Me Do It
14.Curly Davis & Uniques - Black cobra pt. 2
15.Hot Chocolate - What's Good For The Goose
16.Stone Cold White - Keep On Pushing
17.skit
18.Creations Unlimited - Chrystal Illusion

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 12 September 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

that's gotta be the same Black Merda who as Mer-Da or Black Mer-Da recorded Long Burn the Fire in 1972. that's a pretty great, weird, post-There's a Riot Goin' On album that I picked up a vinyl reissue of a few years ago. never saw much about them anywhere outside of Xgau's 70s book, though.

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 12 September 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

gygax!, do you have a copy burned from a friend, or do the newest versions have tracklistings?

matos, it's the same band. i've been looking for one of their cds for a while now (i think i actually gave up/don't care anymore)

if anyone wants to know what else the dude who made this comp is putting out, he's got a project called Express Rising that (to me) sounds kinda like dj shadow w/o all the studio tom-foolery. my friend says it's a great album. i dunno

http://turntablelab.com/dailyshipment/dailyshipment2.html

JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 12 September 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard that Merda full-length but they were the same band as Fugi, who put out one great acid-tinged 45 on Chess, "Mary Don't Take Me on No Bad Trip". Jason, DustyGroove has the Merda record Matos mentions, if that's what you're looking for.

Can't wait to read James Porter's book on black rock...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 12 September 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

my copy was given to me and it doesn't look legit.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 12 September 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the Memphix guys told me that the "official" re-release of this will probably happen sometime next summer/fall. They're also working on a similar Memphis-only comp, which might be on Ace Records, and also a Midwestern comp -- not convinced all of this stuff is going to materialize.

Anyone else heard Express Rising?

chris herrington (chris herrington), Saturday, 20 September 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
Yeah, I rather love Express Rising.

Orange, Sunday, 1 February 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Express Rising is very lackluster -- b-level trip-hop (all mood, no songs)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Sunday, 1 February 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, there may not be any real ‘songs’, but the mood is executed almost perfectly, I think. And I really don’t mind that they’re so basic/sparse, they’re more or less hip-hop haikus in my opinion. Catchy, eh?

From another forum: ‘Dante once again evokes a minimalist style, where he will find the emotion of a sample and ride it out. In this day and age of where everyone is sampling and layering the shit out of everything. Carfanga finds those gems in that record collection he has and uses them to the full capacity. [...] And that being said what was the basic premise of "hard funk"? Do y'all find the lyrics to those funk records repetitive.. Do you find the drum beats and baseline repetitive. Yes you do.. But all that shit doesn't matter. What does matter is how its said and what you feel when you hear that shit.. [...] I don't think this album really is about trying to push the boundries of sampling, I think its trying to go deeper than that,its really about finding the emotion.. [...] songs that have the "ghost" quality to them...’

I agree!

Orange, Sunday, 1 February 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

That probably sounded a little more annoying than intended. I can see someone not liking Express Rising, I’m just a little in love with it myself. It’s really so humble and small and beautiful.

Orange, Sunday, 1 February 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"Dante" whatever. What a wanker.

http://www.deepfunk.org/lutherfax.htm

Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm. Yeah, I’d rather not read that dirty tale.

Orange, Sunday, 1 February 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
for NYC people...

Other Music is pleased to present:

A Night of Deep Funk & Soul
DJ DANTE CARFAGNA
(Express Rising, Chains & Black Exhaust)

And special guest DJs
Other Music's Duane and Michael plus Alec D.

Featuring Don Q Rum from 9-10 p.m.

Tuesday, February 24
9 p.m. to 4 a.m.

NO COVER
Ages 21 and over welcome with I.D

APT: 419 w. 13th Street
New York, NY
(212) 414-4245

hstencil, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)


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