like flies on sherbert - classic or dud?

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alex chilton & jim dickinson's lost weekend... half-assed coulda-been or spontaneous southern protopunk? both?

i just picked it up and I'm liking it more with each listen... any thoughts?

fritz, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

that was totally my favourite album for a while! i don't think there's anything half-assed about it, leaving things rough is so obviously part of the intended effect. i like it much more than any of the Big Star records......couldnt really argue cogently that it's BETTER , just I LIKE IT MORE.

duane, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

sherbet, ain't it? not sherbert. Like Flies on Sorbet would not really sound right, either. Let alone Flies on Gelato. Anyhow, great LP. Both half-assed coulda-been AND spontaneous southern proto-punk, in one package. What genius asked Alex Chilton to produce the Cramps first LP? That was an ideal pairing. There's some interesting writing about the recording of "Sherbet" in a book by Robert Gordon (not the rockabilly singer, but another one) whose name i forget, and I don't have it handy. Reading there about the quite astoundingly strung-out Memphis drugs-and-pop scene of the 70s made me go and listen to this album again and appreciate it with new ears. Previously I had only sort of liked "Waltz Across Texas" for it's thorough drunkness. Now I like it more, and also enjoy "Boogie Shoes" once again. Jim Dickinson's solo LP from sometime in the early 70s, appropriately titled "Dixie Fried", is also worth tracking down. Dunno if anyone's reissued it, but how Atlantic got talked into releasing it in the first place, I will never understand. It's great, but the phrase "no commercial potential" may have been coined for this one. I found it for 2 bucks a few years back....one of my few record finds I can truly gloat about. If only to a tiny, tiny crowd.

pauls00, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

paul - yeah i read that bk too, believe it's called "It Came Out of Memphis" tho that may be another bk by another person, sorry, my memory is sieve-like. Re: "Dixie Fried", I'm envious of yr. score - that album has been on my wants list since i 1st heard of it (probably via that same robt gordon bk)

duane, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yeah, that's the title, thanks. There's a Cd that sort of accompanies the book, too, which has some fine oddities on it from some of the folks the book talks about. If you liked the book, you'd probably like most of the CD, too. Some Dewey Phillips radio excerpts, for example.

pauls00, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It is "sherbert" (sic). Like the rest of the record, the title just ain't right. since picking it up on the weekend, it's been just about all I've listened to, and I feel myself happily sinking into it's swamp. It's cool, because it that patented bleary alex chilton melancholia (which I like) is tempered by the obvious good time they're having in the studio. I'd love to hear that Jim Dickinson solo record. I've been looking for it in used places for ages. Anybody heard "1970", the pre-Big Star/post-Box Tops solo record?

fritz, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
The New Republic just published an article by Alex Abramovich on it, who calls it "a rock and roll Rosetta Stone, and well worth seeking out".

alan r. banana (alanbanana), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah this is very good. I read reviews of this on the internet and they are all very stand offish, saying things like 'his attempt at an Elvis-like drawl on 'Girl After Girl' is a low point, but ...' or something about being drunk, etc. And you know, it's silly because this record is pretty much the product of loving good music and playing it a lot and then recording it without any particular aim in mind ... it's very good, I think.

. (...), Thursday, 29 April 2004 07:59 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Brilliant, brilliant record. Man, just one of the most underrated by highly-rated artists. I like it at least as much as Big Star. Truly one of the most genuinely, unsentimentally, wretchedly non-Faulknerian "Southern" albums I've ever heard. The version of "No More the Moon Shines On Lorena" is just--everything that's sick and beautiful and pathetic about the deteriorating post-Military-Industrial 70s strip-mall trailer park South.

I just don't get why it isn't talked about much, much more often/broadly. People act as though 'Third' were the great last hurrah; it is the sound of a man falling apart. 'Like Flies' is the sound of that same man having lived through oblivion to the point where he *is* oblivion, and can almost perversely enjoy it.

The fact that he went on to create fairly neutered and safe bar rock. . . sad.

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 6 August 2005 04:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, the review on AMG has to be either one of the dryest critical jokes I've ever read---or the most ignorant, unintentionally hilarious piece of misplaced piety and lack of any taste whatsoever I've had the sad chance to witness.


Ned--can't you do something about that piece of shit, if it's *not* a joke? And if it is--it's probably leading a lot of people astray. Hell, even I could write something better.

On the strength of his Big Star releases from the early 1970s and a host of live performances he gave during the latter half of the 1970s, Alex Chilton had rightly become a rock connoisseur's darling and an inspiration to independent-label bands throughout the United States. Despite all this favorable attention, he would not return to the studio until 1980. Sadly, this release is a dreadful disappointment. Production values are among the worst this reviewer has ever heard: sound quality is terrible, instrumental balances are careless and haphazard, and some selections even begin with recording start-up sound. Chilton's false-start vocal on "Boogie Shoes" is simply left in without correction. Many of the songs here stop dead or fall apart rather than ending properly. Instrumental playing is universally slipshod and boorish, and vocals are sloppy and lackluster. A cover of the Lonnie Mack hit "I've Had It" contains vocals that, without exaggeration, sound like a group of tavern inebriates trying to sing. An attempt to burlesque Elvis Presley's vocal excesses in "Girl after Girl" misfires badly. A few of Chilton's songs here, such as "My Rival" and "Hook or Crook," aren't bad in their own right and would have been listenable had they been performed and produced better. Regrettably, this album cannot be recomended under any circumstances.

I mean, seriously--what the fuck? Does this person even *like* music?

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 6 August 2005 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm with I.M... great record, and I actually have met a number of people who have assumed the record was bad based entirely on that particular review. Joke or not, it is a terrible disservice to a really good record.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 August 2005 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

what adjectives would AMG use (I never bothered to look) to describe this one? Drunk, hairy, vomitous, strapped...?

I've never understood why people otherwise into "psychobilly" and all that, or blues for that matter, don't like this record. I've had it since the day it came out, and I've never quit listening to it. Nothing else sounds like it, and no one has ever played quite like those guys did. It's kind of like Dickinson's "Dixie Fried" with a certain glamour--dead glamour...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Looking it up, I notice there's been a reissue with some bonus tracks--worth picking up?

I.M. (I.M.), Saturday, 6 August 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, that reissue is the one that most closely sounds like the original--Sid Selvidge, whose Peabody label released the orig. LP (500 copies, I have one of 'em) approved it. There's a French one that sounds funny, to me; the Aura CD was mastered from a cassette or something, sounds shitty. Anyway, that's the one to get--it has some extra trax like "Baby Doll." And "Boogie Shoes" and "Lorena" and "Baron of Love Pt. 2" as well.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 7 August 2005 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

wow this record

High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe even better is the chilton/vega/vaughn collaboration "cubist blues" from about ten years ago. a jam which turned into a record or something like that. night time garage music, relaxed & visceral at the same time.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

wtf are some of the sounds on this record?! bizarro-synth on the title track. I am loving this, took me forever to finally find a copy.

High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe even better is the chilton/vega/vaughn collaboration "cubist blues" from about ten years ago

Better than "Like Flies On Sherbert"???!?!

I only have to hear so much as one nanosecond of "I've Had It" and it's stuck in my head for the rest of the day

Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Not really, but sure its good.
First track alone is an absolutely essential Suicide/Cramps rockabilly stomp with the dodgiest drum machine ever.

"Like Flies" is a masterpiece, though: "I've had it", "Hook or Crook", "My rival" and especially "Hey little child" are all classic Chilton.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link

i love love love this record. Bach's Bottom is totally awesome, too.

mizzell, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link

It should be listened back to back with Tav Falco's Behind the Magnolia Curtain - same casts of misfits (Chilton, Dickinson etc).

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link

"my rival, I'm gonna stab him on arrival"

lolz

High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link

cast, maybe.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link

wow this Beale Street Green bootleg is also amazing (thx retroactively gygax!)

High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

what I find great about it (and what I would guess a lot of people here like about it) is that, unlike many other records, it seems honest. It's a totally authentic snapshot where stuff isn't re-recorded hundreds of times to get it just perfect. All the errors and fuckups are left there intact. It's like listening to a boombox recording of the band rehearsing. You don't hear something like that very often, especially when it's artists you actually like.

Jesus Christ, Attorney at Law (res), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link

there's that thing, maybe in the sister lovers line up notes, about how no-one had ever abused their talent so recklessly etc etc etc, and how alex's voice 'never broke at just the right places', or never perfectly took the form of the take. it's so nicely sloppy, a sweet thing that you hear in panther burns stuff of the same period or archival cramps recordings

the heart is a lonely hamster (schlump), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link

man, i don't know, i think saying that "no one had ever abused his talent so recklessly" is like an INSANELY lame thing for a writer to say

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

condescending, to be sure

Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

of course - i think it's something some disgruntled rod stewart fan said once that the writer coopts to depict a position. obviously sister lovers is great, but i think alex's career path out of 'the letter' and two tidy pop records could be seen as crazy - not capitalising on opportunities and singing kanga-roo.

the heart is a lonely hamster (schlump), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

lolz that Rod Stewart line is from Greil Marcus, right...? Googling "Rod Stewart squandered talent" shows just how far that meme has travelled - sheesh.

Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link

OH ROD STEWART WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN YOUR TALENT :'(

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Parts of it remind me a bit of early Royal Trux (who I like, so that's not a bad thing). Esp. "Take Me Home..."

dlp9001, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link


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