Pick one album from the year 1974!

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This may require alpha-plus acumen. Dr C and I had a go at this off board some while back and we just about managed to come up with ten albums between us.

Good luck!

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

The Beach Boys - In Concert

the only one i can think of off the top of my head.

dog latin, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

red by king crimson (I think its from '74)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom

Vido Liber (Vido), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

King Crimson's Red is the one that comes to my mind.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Dammit, Julio, why'd you go and beat me to the punch?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Didn't we do this year on-board at one pt?

Brian Eno - Taking Tiger Mountain
John Cale - Fear
Stevie Wonder - Fulfillingness' First Finale
Roxy Music - Country Life
Funkadelic - Standing On the Verge
Todd Rundgren - Todd

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

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dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Since Julio took Crimso, I'll take Kraftwerk's Autobahn.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

only "grey panthers" can answer this question probably, i was only 4 in 74 !

scaruffi - best albums of 1974
http://www.scaruffi.com/ratings/1970.html#1974

9/10
Robert Wyatt: Rock Bottom (Virgin)
8/10
Residents: Meet The Residents (Ralph)
Brian Eno: Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy (Island)
Yahowa 13: Penetration - An Aquarian Symphony (Higher Key)
Henry Cow: Unrest (Virgin)
7/10
Taj-Mahal Travelers: August 1974
John Cale: Fear (Island)
Tangerine Dream: Phaedra (Ohr)
Kraftwerk: Autobahn (Vertigo)
Gram Parsons: Grievous Angel (Reprise)
Van Morrison: Veedon Fleece (WB)
Magma: Kohnstarkosz (Vertigo)
Richard Thompson: I Want To See The Bright Lights (Island)
Jackson Browne: Late For The Sky (Asylum)
King Crimson: Red (Atlantic)
Randy Newman: Good Old Boys (Reprise)
Popol Vuh: Einsjaeger & Siebenjaeger (Kosmische Musik)
Cluster: Zuckerzeit (Brain)
Hatfield And The North: self-titled (Virgin)
Joni Mitchell: Court And Spark (Asylum)
Ry Cooder: Paradise And Lunch (Reprise)
Harmonia (Brain)
Muleskinner: self-titled (Ridgerunner)
Can: Soon Over Babaluma (Spoon)
Todd Rundgren: Todd (Bearsville)
Ivor Cutler: Dandruff (Virgin)
Genesis: Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (Atlantic)
Klaus Schulze: Blackdance (Brain)
Nico: The End (Island)
Bad Company: self-titled (Island)
Robert Calvert: Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters
Supertramp: Crime of the century (Island)
Vivian Stanshall: Men Opening Umbrellas Ahead (WB)
Commander Cody: Live From Deep In The Heart of Texas (Paramount)
Big Star: Radio City (Ardent)
Blue Oyster Cult: Secret Treaties (CBS)
Clearlight: Clearlight Symphony (Virgin)
Frank Zappa: Roxy And Elsewhere (Discreet)
Roy Harper: Valentine (Harvest)
Norman Blake: Fields of November (Flying Fish)
Lynyrd Skynyrd: Second Helping (MCA)
Little Feat: Feats Don't Fail Me Now (WB)
Ash Ra: Inventions For Electric Guitar (Kosmische Musik)
Cosmic Jokers: self-titled (Metronome)
Comus: To Keep From Crying (Virgin)
Millie Jackson: Caught Up (Spring)
Phoebe Snow: self-titled (Shelter)
Kevin Ayers: The Confessions Of Dr. Dream (Island)
Heldon: Electronique Guerilla (Urus)
John Martyn: Sunday's Child (Island)
Neil Young: On The Beach (Reprise)
Kiss: self-titled (Casablanca)
Willie Nelson: Phases And Stages (Atlantic)
Mike Oldfield: Hergest Ridge (Virgin)
Pink Fairies: Kings Of Oblivion
Utopia: self-titled (Bearsville)
Sparks: Kimono My House (Island)
Steely Dan: Pretzel Logic (ABC)
Robin Trower: Bridge Of Sighs (Chrysalis)

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

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dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

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dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I knew I forgot a Can record!

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

''Dammit, Julio, why'd you go and beat me to the punch?''

well I had forgotten abt taj mahal travellers 'August 1974'. That's even more obv (but DJ martian beat me to it) if they weren't so damn obscure.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Randy Newman, "Good Old Boys"

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

taj mahal travellers, never heard of them before - it sounds like a name of an Indian restaurant.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

1974 - the year of the Diamond Dogs? (OK, I know it's really '84)

'Rock Bottom' is the best suggestion so far, and for me it's a tie between that and Neil Young's 'On the beach'.

Some favourites after that would be:
Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel
Van Morrison - It's too late to stop now
Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece
Can - Future Days
Kraftwerk - Autobahn
Steely Dan - Pretzel Logic
Richard & Linda Thompson - I want to see the bright lights tonight
Roxy Music - Country Life
Al Green - Explores your mind
Bob Marley & the Wailers - Natty Dread
Big Star - Radio City

But there's bound to be loads I've missed.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

It was a very good year. If I had to pick one .. sorry to say it would be "Rock n Roll Animal" ... because I'd like it to be "Starless..", "Pretzel Logic", "On the Beach", "Apostrophe" or "Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy" also.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Errr tons of amazing reggae. "This Is Augustus Pablo", "Beat Down Babylon" (Junior Byles), "Hell And Sorrow" (I-Roy) (and was "Presenting I-Roy" that year too?), "Double Seven" (Upsetters) (also "Cloak and Dagger"?), that Rupie Edwards rhythm LP, the first ever, the name of which escapes me for the moment, 1974 was a fantastic year.

And there was plenty of great soul being made, too: didn't "I Can't Stand The Rain" (Ann Peebles) come out in '74? And "Al Green Explores Your Mind" as noted by J. Ball.

These are off the top of my head, I'm *certain* there's loads more where that came from. No Art Garfunkel LP that year, though, so I can understand why people think it's a bit of a weak year.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

''taj mahal travellers, never heard of them before - it sounds like a name of an Indian restaurant''

They were a psych outfit from japan. Takesh Kosugi (a composer who worked with Cunningham's dance company) was the violin player and main leader. But its a lot of ppl working hard at making quiet music so in that sense they remind me of early improv units like MEV.

August 1974 is a dbl Cd release and expensive. I did a thread on this group on ILM. got abt 5 replies.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

'I can't stand the rain' - you're right Tim. I'd actually take that ahead of 'Explores your mind'.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

The Spinners - Mighty Love!! This is a terrific record (the title track on its own begs mention, absolutely A-1 evocation of being in love and how damn good it can make you feel, especially where the singer just gives up on the chorus completely and wanders blissfully off into babble)! I don't know if it's my favourite of the year but it hasn't been mentioned yet.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

i had concluded that i don't own any albums from 1974,until i saw the faust cover upthread...
its a great album,although i can't really say its the best from 74,since i don't know anything else...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

JAMES BROWN--"HELL"

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

oops, you got in before me there, but....


I've just been looking up several different artists, and it seems loads of people made quite good records in 1974, but better ones in the surrounding years. So 'Hell' by James Brown, 'Desitively Bonnaroo' by Dr John, 'Fulfillingness First Finale' by Stevie Wonder etc are all worth getting but you couldn't really say they were essential.

It seems to me that only Neil Young, Robert Wyatt and Richard Thompson made the best albums of their careers that year.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Willie!
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P&S is one of the alltime great American albums

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

"Phases And Stages" is utterly brilliant.

Once upon a time I was living in the North of England. One Saturday in three I would set off from home very early in order to see some football. I din't allow this to curtail my Friday nights out with my friends, and that meant I endured lots of very hung-over train journeys. The cassette I had with "Phases And Stages" on one side became a real favourite for those sorry rides, and it had another 24 carat classic from '74 on the other side: "No Other" by Gene Clark.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

New York Dolls, In Too Much Too Soon

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Rasta Revolution - Bob Marley
Brian Eno- Here Come the Warm Jets
Shuggie Otis - Inspiration Information

Jan

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Good year. The last year of real, classic rock, the dividing line. Summation year. "Radio City," "Grievous Angel," and Parliament's "Up for the Down Stroke," classic pop, country and r&b respectively.

"Open Our Eyes," Earth, Wind & Fire, a great one.

Also "Get Up With It," Miles, for the amazing "Calypso Frelimo" alone.

10cc, "Sheet Music," a pretty good McCartney album, better than "Band on the Run."

Raspberries, "Starting Over," not as good as "Radio City" but quite enjoyable.

Steely fucking Dan. Get a piece of Mr. Parker's band and all that.

King goddamned Crimson--"Red" is the only tolerable thing they ever did, right.

My picks would be the three mentioned in first 'graf.

frank p. jones (frank p. jones), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 18:42 (twenty-three years ago)

'Bright Lights...' the best Thompson album? I'm inclined to agree. The Great Valerio is fucking incredible. Linda's been doing the title song as an encore on her recent tour... so good. She can stil sing.

That's surprising to hear, though, because most people go for Shoot out The Lights, or Pour Down Like Silver.

nods to Pretzel Logic and Court & Spark too.

derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

'Muscle of Love'. Hold on actually, that was a dud. 'Hotter than Hell'?

dave q, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks for mentioning Mighty Love, Tom!
also: The Meters - Rejuvenation

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

The Average White Band, AWB

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Diamond Dogs came out that year, I'll pick that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, neil young's On the Beach.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Parliament's Up for the Down Stroke.
Sweet: Desolation Boulevard
Ohio Players: Skin Tight and Climax
Labelle: Nightbirds featuring the original "Lady Marmalade"

I've obviously changed the threadintent to "Pick four albums"

Neudonym, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Eric Clapton - 461 Ocean Boulevard
2. Al Green Explores Your Mind
3. Van Morrison - Veedon Fleece
4. Rolling Stones - It's Only Rock N'Roll
5. Stevie Wonder - Fulfillingness' First Finale
6. Jackson Browne - Late For the Sky
7. Van Morrison - It's Too Late to Stop Now
8. J. Giels Band - Nightmares ... and Other Tales From the Vinyl Jungle
9. Lynyrd Skynyrd - Second Helping
10. Billy Swan - I Can Help
11. Lou Reed - Rock n'Roll Animal
12. Bob Dylan and the Band - Before the Flood
13. John Lennon - Walls and Bridges
14. The Jackson 5 - Dancing Machine
15. Average White Band - AWB
16. Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark
17. The Who - Odds and Sods
18. Millie Jackson - Caught Up
19. Linda Rondsadt - Heart Like a Wheel
20. The Spinners - Mighty Love

Surely.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Not my favourite year. It's either Taking Tiger Mountain or Court and Spark. If I am in a more experimental mood I'll prefer the Eno otherwise the Joni Mitchell.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Big Star - Radio City

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 21:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The list I posted was a joke. It's not really mine; it's Dave Marsh's. Pretty great, huh? 461 Ocean Boulevard for fuck's sake?

Anyway, I'll take Pink Fairies Kings of Oblivion. Or about ten other absolutely great records.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 21:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, *461 Ocean Boulevard is actually pretty GOOD. Though probably not as good as *Get Your Wings, *Moontan (Golden Earring -- duh!!!), *Autobahn, *Second Helping (pretty obviously the album of the year when you get down to it), *In Too Much To Soon, or *Suzi Quatro. (Not to mention those amazing Cher and Stylistics best-ofs, obviously.)

chuck, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wish it was 74 again...ROCK BOTTOM!

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

marcello's right, this year's Too Tough To POO

willem (willem), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Robert And Linda Thompson, Shoot Out The Lights

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Second Helping

I think I need to get this. I've been getting into Pronounced over the past month or so, and any album that opens with "Sweet Home Alabama" must be doing something right.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Second Helping is a great album

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

My lunch is also too tough to poo

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe some more olive oil with/on your lunch next time?

willem (willem), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony, Shoot Out the Lights didn't come out til, like, 1982!

chuck, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I think he means "I Wanna See the Bright Lights Tonight" (I always confuse them two also)

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Two great double-albums from 1974:

Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Yes: Tales From Topographic Oceans

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 00:37 (twenty-three years ago)

autobahn or radio city

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it would be easy to pick an album for 1974, but I'm actually having a hard time. I'd like to go with Stevie Wonder, but this isn't that great an album. I thought I could find something in 70's salsa for this year, but I guess I haven't heard enough. (Honorable mention to Celia Cruz and Johnny Pacheco's Celia and Johnny, but I don't really like it enough to pick it.) I bet I would pick that Neil Young album, if only I'd heard it. Some of the Krautrock and prog. stuff (Red notably) is pretty tasty (or in some cases just looks it, since I know the artists more by radio play than by album, and don't know what).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

...so you see, 1974 = bloody amazing year! (most of them are)

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

B.T. Express, Do It ('Til You're Satisfied)

An album with parentheses in the title! How can I NOT like it?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

'Starless & Bible Black'- K'Crimson

(...some other night, might be Queen's 'Sheer Heart Attack')

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks to this thread, I picked up Fullfillingness' First Finale and Second Helping on the way home from work this evening. (Well, I'd been thinking about getting both already, but this thread gave me that extra little nudge over the cliff.)

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Sparks-Propaganda. I like it better than Kimono My House these days.

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Fuck, I'm an idiot. Someone else put Bright Lights Tonight and I got MAD confused.

I just realized that what little I have from 1974 (that Al Green album, the roxy music album, that first bryan ferry album, Radio City), I'm not particular excited about raving over - even though they're all good.

Damn, I can't believe I put Shoot Out The Lights on this. Whatta maroon.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:49 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, I also have Taking Tiger Mountain, but like Big Star, Roxy, and Al Green I like another album of theirs so much more that I don't wanna say that it's the best of that year or something.

I guess 1974 sucked, I dunno. I need to hear Pretzel Logic.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 01:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello, what are the ten that you and Dr C came up with? Have they all been mentioned?

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

''King goddamned Crimson--"Red" is the only tolerable thing they ever did, right.''

um, its not 'tolerable' but actually a very great album.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 09:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, I don't like King Crimson and their mellotrons. There are a few moments in their Wetton/Bruford era when the bass/drums interaction combined with the usual Fripp guitar squiggles sorta makes it, but it's like square people trying to play jazz and all, and Fripp, sure, is a good guitar-player but he has zero swing/verve and his harmonic "ideas" boil down to Charlie Mingus' old flatted-fifth deviled-ham-spread. But the appeal for me, if any, comes from the rhythm-section "groove" and not from anything happening in "foreground." It's a matter of taste--I want something with some life/swing to it, this is way too static.

frank p. jones (frank p. jones), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

''but it's like square people trying to play jazz and all''

I don't think their intention was ever to play jazz but to do something quite diff to that.

and also life=swing is v v dodgy.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

As a child of '78, I'm guessing here, but this is one of my all-time favs, so if it was released in '74, there ya go.

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drc800/c847/c847636l0gb.jpg

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree that Fripp lacks swing. I think a lot of his later work (with, for instance, the League of Crafty Guitarists) is an attempt to compensate for his rhythmic obtuseness, which may be good for the harmonious development of his psyche, but it hasn't produced a lot of great music. On the other hand, I find some of his playing extremely moving (notably the two albums with Eno, but also many of his guest appearances).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 15:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I think his harmonic ideas from that time mostly boil down to whole tone chords, a la Debussy, and also being inspired by the Mahavishnu Orchestra. I'm not sure how 1) Mingus has claim to flatted-fifths, or 2) KC has to appease any sort of jazz tradition.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf300/f338/f33807oyoc1.jpg

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Yep--I like Fripp on other people's records--Eno, even the Roche sisters ("Hammond Song"). The Eno/Fripp stuff is nice, very good background music.

Life=swing is "dodgy." Hmm. Like I say, chief, it's a matter of taste.

frank p. jones (frank p. jones), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)

prove that life= swing and static= death frank!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Another vote for Radio City.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 17:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Re 'Red' - I just want to say this for the 50,000th time...(drum roll)...IT'S BETTER THAN 'ISLANDS'!

dave q, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 17:17 (twenty-three years ago)

(which still doesn't excuse the presence of John Wetton, who battles it out with Adrian Belew in the Shitty Vocalist Olympics)

dave q, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

the vocals on 'red' are OK.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a tolerance for vocal shitness tho'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, Julio, I suppose you could hop around on one foot if you wanted to, or if that's all you can do. Nothing wrong with that. Compared to running, though, it's pretty limited. In my opinion--and I'm old-fashioned like that--King Crimson is kinda like hopping around on one foot, and something like Mingus or Monk or "Jack Johnson" is more like running. So it's a matter of a fuller vs. a less full life, again in my admittedly old-fashioned estimation of things. I give guys like Robert Fripp a lot of credit for trying, though. In their minds, they're going for it, and good for them.

frank p. jones (frank p. jones), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I've said it before, but the version of "Red" itself from the (much more recent) King Crimson live in Argentine album sounds better than the original. (I don't even own that album, but have this track on a compilation.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't want to position myself as KC's biggest defender (because in fact, I can't stand most of their music beyond the mid-70s stuff), but I will say the "hopping around on one foot" argument can just as well be turned around as a "compared to Beethoven, Mingus and Monk were just junkies who played out of time and had no concept of thematic development".

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

And besides, KC was *nothing without the Sunshine Band, right?

chuck, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Autobahn

g (graysonlane), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Robert Fripp's sense of himself is hilarious. The liners to that Great Deceiver box are like a shrine. No wonder he couldn't keep a line-up together for more than an album or two.

Anyway, I love the idea of Crimson moving from this early fantasy-damaged bombast to the streamlined muso-prog of Red; most of the other bands just got more bloated. Accompanied of course by cover art moving from drawings of ghoulish screaming mouths to silhouettes of the trio. Addition of Bruford was the key element.

Yeah, I always liked Wetton better in Uriah Heep. Although that Gary Thain dude could play his ass off too.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

"Mingus and Monk were just junkies who played out of time and had no concept of thematic development".

Except that Mingus and Monk have no relationship to Beethoven, whereas King Crimson has quite a bit to do with Mingus and Monk.

frank p. jones (frank p. jones), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, imagine putting Robert Fripp with a real jazz rhythm section...Elvin Jones and Ron Carter, say. They say, "OK, Bob, go!" and what's he gonna do? Sit there on his stool and wish he could even hop around.

frank p. jones (frank p. jones), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Where the heck do you get this idea that Fripp et al were trying to play "jazz"? Is that some kind of crazy eddy damaged theory you've got? Because it's great when chuck does it but it's lame when others bite the schtick.

And what is this Mingus Monk no relationship to Western art music? So you're saying those guys never thought/studied harmony and counterpoint? get real.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Why would you put Robert Fripp in a jazz rhythm section? Why don't Mingues and Monk have anything to do with Beethoven? What is the relationship between Crimson and Monk and Mingus?

Mind you, I'm sure Robert Fripp would say good things about Charles Mingus or jazz in general (I know Bruford would). I jsut don't see the basis for the comparison, especially given that Fripp has record zero jazz dates in his career.

edit: and Mr Diamond beat me on some questions!

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Mingus and Monk have no relationship to Beethoven

Mr. Frank P. Jones, I don't know you. Maybe you're a very nice person, maybe you have many friends and supporters and loved ones. I hope so. But the above sentence is the biggest specimen of condescending horseshit I have ever read here...and I think you were actually trying to defend them or something.

Charles Mingus was a serious student of all sorts of music, including "classical" music. Monk, while no academe, was certainly no untutored "natchul" musical savant. Both had quite a relationship to Beethoven and Haydn and Bach and anyone else you can think of. To suggest otherwise is uninformed at best.

So maybe I missed some crucial point of your argument. Care to inform me what it was?

Neudonym, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

If you are willing to accept it at face value, Fripp has gone on record as saying that he wasn't/isn't trying to play jazz.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course he wasn't. Frank is just trying to be nutty.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow: I was just reading what I wrote and I realized just how VERY hostile above to nutty old Frank. Sorry for contributing to Thread Warming.

Neudonym, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

oh don't worry abt neudonym. I haven't seen your name around too much round these parts so I'll tell you now that 'we' on ILM welcome hostility and spitefulness. black is our favourite colour.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Neud, it's all right, man. I've just learned that Johnny Paycheck has died, which puts our petty little spat about Monk and Mingus' great debt to the ol' Euro-tradition in proper perspective. Johnny P. enjoyed him a little Debussy and and a shot of Dickel himself.

frank p. jones (frank p. jones), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Aerosmith- "Get Your Wings"

earlnash, Thursday, 20 February 2003 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

June 1, 1974, by Eno, Nico, John Cale, and Kevin Ayers. Not the greatest album of the year, not even in the top forty, but deeply evocative: the last stop on the international Euro glam-hippie trail. Kevin Ayers sings in French! Cale turns "Heartbreak Hotel" into a dirge! Nico isn't dead yet! And I saw it in a shop window in Amsterdam a little over a month after the title date, which is a whole lot faster than records ever came out in those days. Well, guess you had to be there.

Van Lingle Mungo, Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:27 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...
This really was an awesome year. I still need to hear Rock Bottom (among other things), but at this point, I'd have to go with Fullfillingness' First Finale.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 17 October 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

twenty years pass...

https://open.substack.com/pub/bradluen/p/ten-favorite-african-albums-of-1974?r=2ck8a&utm_medium=ios

Brad Luen’s favorite African albums from 1974

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 2 October 2024 15:35 (one year ago)

Finally found a copy of Veedon Fleece in the wild this weekend, on cassette no less. Would still love to find it on CD.

henry s, Wednesday, 2 October 2024 16:44 (one year ago)


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