Guitarists vs Everybody

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Pop singers aren't real musicians, anyone can do it and probably has. Kybd players are just geeks unless they do prog-rock. Laptoppists double that, you can imagine their parents saying "Congratulations for being so sensible, you can do your hobby and also develop a marketable skill at the same time, if the IDM thing fails you can do IT for an actuarial firm!", how fuckin' rock is that. Bass players - smart, eh? "Heh heh, everybody needs a bass player, I can name my own price!" Passive-aggressive 'lurk in the shadows' types, waiting for the right rocket to jump on - but it won't happen, you'll end up embittered sitting behind the counter in a dingy music shop serving customer after customer who wants to be ME! ha ha. (Hint - try forming your own band or writing your own shit for once instead of worming your way into other ppls' already-formed projects! Also try busking with that fucking thing! Ha ha ha!) Drummers, well what is there to say about them that David Attenborough hasn't already? Horn players - oops sorry for spilling wine on your monkey suit, here's a fiver now bugger off while I conduct this power lunch.

Turntablists - OK here it is. You are destroying the planet. What do you think those round things are made out of anyway? What'll you do when every single vinyl record on earth has been sold out of the last charity shop to carry such things? Open up a pressing plant? Who are you going to bomb to get the raw materials, imperialist scum? Also, what are stylii made out of? (Not to mention that rekkids scratch'n'shit, they won't last forever. Enjoy yrself, it's later than you think...)

dave q, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Umm, so who wants to collaborate?

dave q, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Yngwie Malmsteen to thread.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 13:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave Q, you are a bitter man. And I *am* a guitarist.

kate, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Accordion players rule. At least in the busking stakes.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Typical guitarist - they always think they're the only one in the band.

It's time to go on stage, you look around, everybody else is ready to start.... except the fucking guitarist - he's got to tune up for the 8,973rd time this evening.

You finally get started, you get through the first number, the audience are starting to lok interested, you look around, everybody else is ready to start.... except the fucking guitarist - he's got to tune up for the 8,974th time this evening.

End of the second song, you're supposed to be segueing dramatically into the third but instead you just fall apart like a bunch of shambling amateurs. Why? Yes, the fucking guitarist has decided he's got to tune up for the 8,975th time this evening.

Then, halfway through the third song, one of the guitar strings breaks.... WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU WON'T LEAVE THE FUCKING MACHINE HEADS ALONE FOR 2 MINUTES?

Oh and now he's lost his pick.

And once you've actually got them to START playing, you then have to try to find a way of making the bastards STOP!

Yes, we all know your Marshall CAN go up to 11; but that doesn't mean it HAS to be played at 11 ALL THE TIME!

And yes, we all know you've got a new effects pedal; but do you REALLY need to use it on EVERY single song in the set? I mean, do you really think the tube-screamer-ultra-fuzz-distorto-matic is giving quite the right tone for the slow, acoustic reggae number?

The rest of the band drop down to make the music a bit atmospheric - the guitarist has to fill the space with howling waves of feedback.

The rest of the band stop to leave a dramatic hole in the music - the guitarist has to fill it with aimless widdling.

I know it's hard to grasp, but try absorbing it small stages:
1) there is not actually a legal requirement for all songs to contain an "instrumental passage";
2) "instrumental passages" do not always necessarily have to consist of one of the instruments playing a solo piece while the others back him;
3) solo pieces actually can be played on other instruments apart from just the lead guitar.

Oh and that was supposed to be a middle *8* by the way - not a middle *16* or a middle *32* or a middle *64* (and these are the arrogant gobshites who have the gall to criticise everyone else's timing?!) and that expression on the faces of the entire audience when you'd finished? No, it wasn't "awe-struck" - it was GLAZED!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

As anyone who's ever heard my playing can vouch for, I NEVER 'tune up', whatever that is!

dave q, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Bass players are just frustrated guitarists.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Turntablists - OK here it is. You are destroying the planet

so is anyone that uses paper by that logic...just one of the 12 billion things wrong with this statement - lots of people still buy vinyl, and not just so they can DJ with it (rockist purists alert!)

cant they just invent a synthetic plastic that works like vinyl - basically just something cheap that doesnt need oil? surely this can be done

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Pop singers aren't real musicians, anyone can do it and probably has.

But part of your plan is precisely to keep singers stupid. A lot of pop singing may be the "anyone can do it" sort, but when a singer, like Bryan Ferry for examples, stretches and actually learns his art, you say, "Oh, he was better when he didn't know what he was doing." Is that because that's what you really think, or do you just want to prevent singers from being taken seriously as real musicians rather than pop primitive idiot savants?

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

As a keyboardist, I can play everything you can play on guitar one-handed...not to mention my keyboard is always in tune (okay, unless I'm playing the Rhodes, Crumar, or Farfisa...).

*I actually also play geetar too, but I gotta reprazent fo' da keys fo' really yo*

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

People still play guitar? How perfectly vintage. Can I come watch you play sometime? I'm interested in endangered species. Maybe I could establish some museum to put you and your ilk in.

Are banjo players okay? How about koto players? Tres players?

In my experience, guitarists are more interested in learning 'licks', learning how to 'shred', and getting 'poontang' than in actually playing good innovative music.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

a guitar is a wang-substitute, a bass IS a wang

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I play CD/DVD player remote controls and iTunes buttons.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

How is it even possible to play 'good music' without 'shredding'???

dave q, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Guitar vs. Geetar FITE!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

oops. Let's not get started on banjo players and all the "tang" they've stolen off my plate.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

if I had a nickel for everytime a banjo picker walked off with my pudenda...

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

...you'd have a nickel.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

ZING!

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 16:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Is this the culprit?
http://www.dhebert.com/publications/themuse/images/banjoplayer1.jpg

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

...never seen a banjo player without his hands upon the tuning knobs.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone can play the guitar.

David Allen, Wednesday, 19 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Even this guy?

http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/HolyGrail/jpgs/04-kn-2.jpg

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hendrix played with his teeth . . . .

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

How'd he hold the guitar?

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

this is obviously all a big joke, so i really don't care, but there's something really wrong with this statement:

Kybd players are just geeks unless they do prog-rock

unless? doesn't prog rock just equal geekiness (spoken from a geeky prog rock fan)

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:18 (twenty-three years ago)

a guitar is a wang-substitute, a bass IS a wang

Hahahaha, that is wonderful. Drummers and bassists 4evah. Singers + guitarists are just jerks who like to quit bands whenever somebody else starts writes a damn song! Songs written by non-guitarists = 99% less wankstas, it is true.

original bgm, Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Kybd players are just geeks unless they do prog-rock

But you forget....

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000001U4S.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

original bgm, Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:24 (twenty-three years ago)

"Singers + guitarists are just jerks who like to quit bands whenever somebody else starts writes a damn song!"

No, no, no - it's DRUMMERS who always up and leave you in the lurch (usally just after you've finally managed to get the bastard to master something which ISN'T in 4:4 bloody time).

"I'm leaving my parents' and going to move in with my girlfriend and she hasn't got room for the drumkit...."

"We're getting a flat / house of our own and there won't be room for the drumkit...."

"We're buying a new car but there won't be room for the drumkit...."

"We're having a baby so there won't be room for the drumkit...."

"I'm splitting up with my girlfriend and moving back to my parents so there won't be room for the drumkit...."

Oh and drummers and bassists are more than welcome to write songs; they just need to try to write ones which sound vaguely like the rest of the material the band's playing and not like something out of Spinal fucking Tap.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 20 February 2003 09:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay bassists and drummers: STRIKE!

oops (Oops), Thursday, 20 February 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

dave q can i be in yr band? i'm not living in london tho, you'll have to commute.

duane, Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

"Okay bassists and drummers: STRIKE!"

I wonder how long it will take before the guitarist notices they're not there?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone who only plays one instrument is severely limiting him/herself. When I start looking down on guitars (and guitarists), I just move to something else until the feeling passes (and it always does). Ditto for all the other instruments. I think turntables are good, and the argument that we're "destroying the planet" doesn't hold up too well; most of the records used are OLD, so the planet was destroyed by the 60s, 70s at the latest (that may be true, yes, but we didn't do it, blame Ertegun or Geffen or someone).

matt riedl (veal), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)


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