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Could anyone tell me what the best Jandek albums are please? much appreciated. I havent heard any as yet.

Henry Fowler, Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Save yourself some money by not buying any Jandek records, and simulating the experience of listening to one by plugging in an electric guitar and then picking up and dropping it on your own foot twice a minute for half an hour. Actually, this won't save you any money in gross, but it will be more pleasant per dollar.

ara, Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your best bet, and I'm not being sarcastic here, is to order a box of them from Corwood. I think it's like 10 albums for $20 or something like that.

You're just as well off casting runes or rolling a 12-sided die to choose one as having one recommended to you. In my experience, anyhow.

jodi shapiro (burun), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

''I think it's like 10 albums for $20 or something like that.''

really?!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pretty much, yes. And they're great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I would say actually the easiest way in might just be the first, Ready for the House. In any case, it's not that difficult of a listen. It's kind of neat and psychedelic and stoned in a Skip Spence kind of way. "European Jewel" is a great song and since it turns up in his catalog like three or four more times in different versions, you might as well hear the original.

You Walk Alone is a really good one if you like the blues. It sounds like Royal Trux.

Anyway, I'd try one of those before I'd get the recent, all-vocal, ones.

Also, if you haven't, take a look at this, a really well done site with little capsules about the records.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

20 albums for $80 is the cheapie deal. I, too, would say _Ready for the House_ is the best starting point--lays out his aesthetic neatly. _Telegraph Melts_ is pretty impressive-in-its-way too.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm partial to the Foreign Keys/Telegraph Melts period, the latter of which has the terrifying "You Painted Your Teeth," which always freaks me out. I don't have it, but some people swear by Blue Corpse.

If you're gonna get one of his spoken albums, try This Narrow Road. The way the dictaphone (or whatever he's using to record) cuts in and out has a great effect.

If I remember correctly, the first half dozen or so albums are very similar in sound. So, as others have recommended, get Ready for the House and then skip ahead to the next period (drums! Nancy!).

Ernest P. (ernestp), Thursday, 20 February 2003 20:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Telegraph Melts scares the shit out of me. He sounds really happy. It still scares the shit out of me. Ready For The House drags on a bit. I absolutely love Interstellar Discussion, though. It's really varied and there are some great songs on it. Basically just pick stuff out and see what you like. They're cheap enough that if you don't like something it's not like a big waste of your money.

James Annett (jlannett), Thursday, 20 February 2003 23:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ernest speaks truth. Blue Corpse was what I heard first and what hooked me in, and after the fourth or fifth listen I was a convert.

I like The Living End and White Box Requiem. Also, most of the albums from the collaborative period (with Nancy et al) have some great songs. I don't really get into the first three or four albums quite so much, and the spoken word records are hard going (but very very interesting if you set them to your own music)..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 February 2003 23:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

My favorites, for what it's worth, are Blue Corpse, You Walk Alone, and Interstellar Discussion. I haven't heard them, but from what I gather, the most recent two albums (both released in 2002 I think) abandon the spoken word aspect.

Worthwhile URL: http:// www.jandekoncorwood.com and http://tisue.net/jandek

Ian Johnson, Friday, 21 February 2003 01:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I haven't heard the recent two non-accapella records but the impression I get from fans is that they have been received in a somewhat lukewarm manner.. has our Janky jumped the shark?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 21 February 2003 02:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Of the dozen or so I've heard so far, Lost Cause is the one I find myself coming back to the most -- it starts out with some pretty memorable and surprisingly conventional tunes, then slowly becomes more and more Jandekian, finishing up with a side-long electric freakout of epic proportions. I'm surprised more people don't pick it as one of their favorites, I think it's a great summing-up of a lot of different Jandek sounds.

Ready For The House is absolutely soul-crushing, terrifying stuff. I'd definitely recommend it, but be prepared to be completely creeped out by it -- it's a seriously claustrophobic piece of work. As for the most recent stuff, I haven't heard the latest non-spoken-word CD, but the one before it, I Threw You Away, is pretty wild, full of moaning and howling. I'd say it's worth getting.

Oddly, I have yet to really be grabbed by Blue Corpse, which seems to be a favorite of many Jandek fans. I remember liking Telegraph Melts, though.

Phil (phil), Friday, 21 February 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just had a discussion about how Jandek albums would up signed in a southern Ontario radio station library tonight. Now I am drinking water which I think is much more entertaining.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

jandek>coke>water.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 21 February 2003 10:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Follow Your Fotsteps" and "Blus Corpse" do it for me.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 21 February 2003 10:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

c'mon... sombody out there has to know or have some sort of connection to the man himself. the music makes me so curious.

chaki (chaki), Friday, 21 February 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

that didnt answer anything!

chaki (chaki), Friday, 21 February 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes it did! Jandek has nice cufflinks!!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 21 February 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

It means that guy in the interview is going to be what you see next to you in bed when you wake up some day. Strange, I know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 February 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jandek could be working at a bank near you. imagine that!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 21 February 2003 21:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jandeks cuffs are not unlinked.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 21 February 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Six And Six, You Walk Alone, Telegraph Melts and Blue Corpse are my favs.Warning: Once you start you may never come back...Jandek will mess with your mind.

brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 22 February 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

eight months pass...
So now there's this new Jandek best of and I'm all like "Oh great, I can finally hear what's so great about this band without wading through 88 hours of pond-scum" and I put the thing on and it is COMPLETE FUCKING TORTURE! This is his BEST stuff? What the FUCK are people talking about?! "Catchy" "songs"?! Haha "hooks"?!?! And even for an indie-rock guy Jandek can NOT fucking SING!! ARE YOU PEOPLE ALL ON THE FUCKING CRACK???? STOP SMOKING THE FUCKING CRACK! IT IS BAD FOR YOU!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

Favorite albums: Lost Cause, Interstellar Discussion, The Rocks Crumble, The Beginning. (The latter ends with about 20 minutes of solo piano that's better than some Cecil Taylor records I own.) (Some, not all.)

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

It's funny this thread should be revived...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

What's more surprising: Jandek having a best of? Gygax not being into Jandek?

Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

(Ian: Gygax is parodying something on the GBV thread...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, darn me for not reading the GBV thread first.

Alas and alack.

Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry about that, but yeah replace Jandek with Los Del Rio, Basement Jaxx, Dean Friedman, etc. Typical ILM BS.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

Ned that writing is tripping me out. i need to sit down and read it properly

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

x-post --> too much scrabble has scrambled your head, little hobbit.

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

longest crosspost delay evah

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:39 (twenty years ago) link

haha, i got your AIM at about 4:30am this morning JC. the Jandek exercise was not founded in fact (although i haven't listened to the man in several years now).

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:48 (twenty years ago) link

Ned that writing is tripping me out. i need to sit down and read it properly

It's turned into something more involved and interesting than I expected, and is definitely no longer trying to be an exact portrait like the earliest chapters try and be. Somewhere between fanfic and psychological study, eventually. Or so I hope.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:54 (twenty years ago) link

you should send it to the great man himself when you're done

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

Good lord, what a frightening thought.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, you should send it to him. I sent a letter to Jandek a few years ago because I wanted to get his permission to use his music in a film project that I never actually got around to working on, and he sent me a letter in return. He explained that he doesn't mind people using his music in films, but does not want money, only credit. He offered to send me a box of cds, and for some reason I never wrote back and accepted his offer even though I really would have liked to have had a bunch of free Jandek cds.

I'll have to set aside some time to read your stuff, Ned...

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

things to do with a boxful of jandek cds...

1)

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

Yeeps, personally I'd think it was a weird intrusion! Especially since the story really only uses his general situation and some specific details as a background to something else which is invented out of whole cloth. I've specifically not used his name (or the label's or any of the album titles) for a reason.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

I suppose I'll let the guys at the fansite know about it, though. Hell, it's where I'm getting all the chapter titles and the image on the main page!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, yes, my little novel thing is done and I did write Seth Tisue about it, at least, along with including a little disclaimer of sorts. Rah.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 November 2003 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

you wrote a novel based on jandek album titles?

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 7 November 2003 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

Nope, not titles.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

covers?

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 7 November 2003 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

Not specifically.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

complete and utter speculation?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 7 November 2003 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Read the disclaimer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

No!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 7 November 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

plz C&P

I can't believe I never picked up on the Six And Six/Robert Johnson photo similarity

just recently discovered the Perfect Sound Forever article/overview, very entertaining

sleeve, Friday, 4 August 2017 04:43 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Jandek performs at The Festival of Endless Gratitude in Copenhagen at 8:00pm on Saturday, September 14, 2019.

In other news, my mom loved the 9-disc Songs Of Morgan set so much that she bought her own copy direct from Corwood.

sleeve, Monday, 19 August 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link

luv u jandek. if i ever have a spare 300 quid im going to deck my mantelpiece with 0739 to 0769.

meaulnes, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link

Wish I had known the dude had put out 15 hours of solo piano music when I was putting together pitches for the Wire's "excess" issue...

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link

hahaha me too! I quite like it as Satie-esque background ambience

sleeve, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

not sure if i've ever posted this one before. . .

https://i.imgur.com/LQGHApf.jpg

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 19 December 2019 22:28 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

Happy 75th birthday today!

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link

heavens, I didn't think of how old the representative of corwood industries is, but I did know he was in his mid 30s in 78 when "ready for the house" came out so I guess this shouldn't surprise me.

happy birthday

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 October 2020 21:35 (three years ago) link

An early fave ever: https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/jandek-and-me/

dow, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link

aw, HBD you freaky dude

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Monday, 26 October 2020 22:23 (three years ago) link

The Representative was responsible for one of my favourite gig-going memories of all time.

Jandek have just played a successful set in a small disco, to be released as Camber Sands Sunday, as guests of Devendra Banhart as part of the Various US Curators of All Tomorrow's Parties. The Representative is joined on stage by Richard Youngs and Alex Neilson and the set is improv blues that veers at times into a distinct New Wave direction with a Talking Heads reference. It's neither particularly well received or attended, with many of those curious not lasting 10 minutes.

Some time after the set we are at the bar in the room while nothing is on there - I think Vashti Bunyan was playing an uninspired set upstairs with a drinks ban firmly in place - and the Representative comes out with David Keenan (who is the designated handler) and also stand at the bar next to us. It's not clear - as this is only about the second time he's performed in the modern era - how the Representative will interact with the public so we are chatting to David while the Representative listens in. In something of a relief, Ramblin' Jack Elliott (who had played earlier) comes out from backstage and strikes up a conversation with the Representative.

After about ten minutes, another person comes over. He goes to Jack and the Representative Android asks for a photo, holding out a camera. The Representative looks taken aback someone has asked for a photo with him, then a little panicked, before he realises it's Ramblin'Jack the punter wants a photo with and takes the proffered camera. He looks at it for what seems like an eternity before Keenan takes it from him, tales the picture and hands it back. The Representative then hands it on, acting as if he had done as requested himself, then goes backstage again after such sustained fan interaction.

pedantly admonishment (aldo), Monday, 26 October 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link

one of his early drummers post-Neilson/Youngs was a former ILX poster who kept fairly mum about the gig.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 26 October 2020 22:57 (three years ago) link

I actually believe it was a 2-drummer lineup around that period (2005-2006?)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 26 October 2020 22:57 (three years ago) link

Happy birthday, guy least likely to perform in huge record store for free but who actually did

Master of Treacle, Monday, 26 October 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link

haha aldo that's great, thanks

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Monday, 26 October 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link

I'm totally wrong, it was about the tenth time he'd played but before that sustained burst of shows in the US.

pedantly admonishment (aldo), Monday, 26 October 2020 23:12 (three years ago) link

one of his early drummers post-Neilson/Youngs was a former ILX poster who kept fairly mum about the gig.

j0hn d.. also played with Jandek so I think there are two Jandek ILXors?

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 02:24 (three years ago) link

part of me wants to do a Jandek podcast, one ep per release. has anyone ever attempted this

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 03:38 (three years ago) link

i love that idea, simon h.

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 03:59 (three years ago) link

DO IT!

Pre-Isis (FlappyPants), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 05:06 (three years ago) link

Damn man, I've been yelling on Twitter about wanting to do a Jandekcast for several years now. Sometimes I've been conceiving it seriously - or as something completely different while the Jandek album in question plays in the background.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 05:33 (three years ago) link

Basically, the Jandekcast should be to podcasts what Jandek is to all other music. Or something.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 05:34 (three years ago) link

Would be interesting doing track by track analysis with some of those albums,with snippets

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 05:53 (three years ago) link

Would definitely subscribe to the jandekcast patreon. Especially if elvis telecom made guest appearances.

Fetchboy, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 06:29 (three years ago) link

At risk of liver damage, if our voices could make a Jandekcast work and worthy of the Rep - I'm in.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 07:15 (three years ago) link

you need a separate podcast just for the LP covers. will never not be in awe of the countless non-chronological portraits captured of the rep throughout his life.

i think i could spend forever thinking about jandek.

maelin, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

I would 100% kickstart a moderately expensive coffee table/art book with good 12x12 reproductions of the original album covers

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 13:45 (three years ago) link

So one time the Rep from Corwood played a gig in Mankato, MN and his band featured some friends of mine so post-gig we end up at a little house party & the Rep himself was there, in all black, big hat, etc. And so obv no one is talking to him & it is all very awkward and weird, like this is a REALLY small place.

And we were kind of told by the host of the party that we probably shouldn't talk to him but one of my friends who I rode down with was like "we gotta talk to Jandek, but I don't know what to say" and my friend is not like a shy person at all but we were all a bit starstruck.

I decide, dude is from Texas, I know how to talk to someone from Texas, so I go up to him

"Hey, uh good show man"
Rep From Corward, totally stone faced: "..."
"Yeah...so, hey if I went to Houston where is the best place to get BBQ?"

At this point his eyes light up, he gets this little grin and sez: "huh, well I make the best BBQ in Texas" and from that point on I cannot get Jandek to shut up, we talk whiskey, hats, wild javelinas, BBQ, but anytime we even get close to music or anything he gets really quiet.

It was a weird night man, HBD weirdo

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:13 (three years ago) link

haha fucking brilliant. i feel like he's a normal bloke who doesn't want the spirits his house have given him. hank hill and the rep have a lot in common.

maelin, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link

lmao that's an amazing story

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link

perhaps it's just me but I really cooled on Jandek after that two-part interview in The Wire - like, I know he didn't actually say much but it was still kinda too much information

much preferred having a speculative relationship with the Jandek project

having said that the one time I saw him live (Melbourne, with David Keenan and Heather Leigh) was extraordinary

umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link

Was disappointed by the show I saw — he had an amazing band (Loren Mazzacane Connors, Matt Hecker, and Chris Corsano) but played synth and recited poetry all night instead of going improv noise-jam like you normally would if you had those three behind you. LMC got a couple of good solos off, though.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link

xp I'm pretty sure 90% of that interview was total BS

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link

Saw three shows in the space of a week and were all very different from memory. Two Youngs/Neilsons bookended a Mick Flowers/Chris Corsano show which was probably the noisiest? Third show was most structured and had some definite angular/post punk tunes you could probably have hummed the tune to. One even had a dance routine of sorts, or at least defined arm waving.

Actually the thing I remember most is the Representative carrying around what seemed to be his musical wordly goods - lyrics sheets, song notes, strings - in a supermarket carrier bag that he held overly tightly.

pedantly admonishment (aldo), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 23:26 (three years ago) link

I'm pretty sure 90% of that interview was total BS

BS as in it was deliberately trying to twist the tail of Wire-reading chins-strokers? Or BS as in made up?

Either way it was kind of a drag

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link

completely made up, imo

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 00:29 (three years ago) link

he had an amazing band (Loren Mazzacane Connors, Matt Hecker, and Chris Corsano) but played synth and recited poetry all night instead of going improv noise-jam like you normally would if you had those three behind you.

this is the jandek way. he's not going to ride the wave, he's going to try to fuck it up and be alienating wherever possible. and recite poetry.

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

about to start marathon listening to entire corwood discography, one LP a week. groovy! who's in? ...anybody? ...

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link

I'm in for a while, first 22 at least

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link

I would be very down for a Jandek listening thread/discussion

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link

I'm in

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

Jandek...the book.

Jandek New BOOK Release:

0127 The Rays Of Light That Did Not Illumine https://t.co/s2obsK93TT pic.twitter.com/SLwvEDCEIR

— Sheila Smith (@veganloca) May 17, 2021

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 15:18 (two years ago) link

I'm assuming poetry...but hoping for confessional autobiography.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link

Then it turns out it's just nothing but accounting figures.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link

"1990, good year."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link

Hoping for horror stories, expecting lyrics

remind me not to read the comments on that one (Matt #2), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:39 (two years ago) link

hoping for political cartoons

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:43 (two years ago) link

given the title and shape I'm guessing LP cover photobook

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link

friend of mine got it

20 page prose poem

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 May 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link

only $10 on the website!

sleeve, Thursday, 27 May 2021 20:40 (two years ago) link


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