"Reward" by the Teardrop Explodes - Classic or Bigger Classic?

But, yes, bigger classic. Which I always manage to skirt around buying for some reason.

I've yet to hear others songs by them.

Teardrop Explodes - The Collection
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.....dear god the last two tracks of Wilder

need I say more? I mean, they are perfect. ...and the fighting takes over might be the most melancholy, tearjerking song I've heard, and then when it's over the pathos and desolation are just thrashed into your soul all over again with 'the great dominions'. I mean, oh jeez it just overwhelms me...

I remember the first time I played it, in my rooms at Oxford, on a dark and wet evening in November 1981. I'd bought the album earlier that day out of Music Market. I was struck how the cover image looked exactly like a lucid dream. Laura was there when I played it. We repeatedly intoned "Joy Division" throughout side two in some considerable awe and wonder. When it ended we sat motionless and wordless for some time, before Laura very quietly said: "Fucking hell."

25 years on and I don't think that album has yet got anywhere near its proper dues.

Cope and the Teardrop were my idols of 1981 - it was because of Cope that I, and many others, first got into Scott Walker - and in a lot of ways they still are.

IIRC Dave McCullough gave it a pretty lukewarm review in Sounds on release.

this is the most OTM post old-LJ made, and these tracks are still godhead :D

bump. being a big fan of teardrop explodes and the copester himself, wilder made no impact on me ... until today. it's like i finally ... -got it-. like the all the sounds on the album finally chose to open themselves up to me.

Its 'When I Dream' that causes the proustian rush for me, I can still remember first playing it, 1980, a student flat in Relugas Road Edinburgh, Its lunch time and I'm back from some Lectures, or more likely skipping some afternoon ones because I spent the first part of lunchtime in The Other Record Store, or Phoenix.

I can remember what I was eating too, a small boat shaped spongey cake... no hang on, that was in a book, I was eating some sort of crunchy breakfast cereal and playing 'When I dream' over and over, to the exclusion of my other purchases what ever they are.

What I can't remember was why I actually bought the single, I already had the album and I don't recall When I dream standing out, of course its at the end of side two and since it has all the other hits... Actually I think thats it Kilimanjaro is a great collection of singles, but not a great album somehow.

Anyway, When I dream is their finest moment

I know why I bought the single: It was cheap, in the '30p' box in Knights, Reading.

Actually, you should check out the 'previous' version, which is on the "to the shores of Lake Placid" Zoo compilation. I like that one better.

This was my first ever single! Well, either this or Candy Girl by New Edition. Breakin' those rockist/popist shackles from an early age.

"wilder" is one of those records i have NEVER ACTUALLY HEARD, despite the fact everything i read/hear about it suggests i will love it.

not only that, i actually own a copy. really. i bought it on vinyl last year in oxfam. problem is, my turntable's not hooked up to anything due to lack of space in the living room.

i think i need to go slsking.

the one song of theirs that I can never stop listening to is "Poppies (in the field)."

what does that mean?

I've been listening to this song over the last few weeks, oddly enough. Bigger Classic.

apparently there's a new 3-CD reissue of Kilimanjaro out there. anyone heard it? how is it? and what's with the cover art?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VIsLt2bIL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

I saw it in the store.

That's not exactly helpful though.

i saw it in the store too! used for $13 or so, half the new price. which is why i'm wondering if i should pick it up.

Disc One

1.1 Ha Ha I'm Drowning
1.2 Sleeping Gas
1.3 Treason
1.4 Second Head
1.5 Poppies in the Field
1.6 Went Crazy
1.7 Brave Boys Keep Their Promises
1.8 Bouncing Babies
1.9 Books
1.10 Thief of Baghdad
1.11 When I Dream

Disc Two: Bates Motel

2.1 Reward
2.2 Sleeping Gas
2.3 Camera Camera
2.4 Kirby Workers Dream Fades
2.5 Bouncing Babies
2.6 All I am is Loving You
2.7 Treason
2.8 Books
2.9 Kilimanjaro
2.10 Strange House in the Snow
2.11 Use Me
2.12 Traison (C'est Juste une Histoire)
2.13 Sleeping Gas (Live)

Disc Three: BBC Sessions

3.1 Brave Boys Keep Their Promies
3.2 Ha Ha I'm Drowning
3.3 Went Crazy
3.4 Chance
3.5 Thief of Baghdad
3.6 When I Dream
3.7 Poppies in the Field
3.8 Reward
3.9 Suffocate
3.10 For Years
3.11 Great Dominions

^^ all the stuff i bolded wasn't on the last CD version w/ 6 bonus tracks. but i wonder, aren't those Teardrop BBC sessions released elsewhere, or is this a brand-new issue? someone please help, HELP

For $13 it's worth a flyer. At $28 I just look. There was a Peel Sessions Plus disc that had some of the BBC Sessions, but they recorded a whole bunch. Track listing wise, it looks like all but the last three are on the Peel disc, but I couldn't tell you if it was the same versions or not.

wonder what these are? i'm not a teardrops experts as you can tell

2.2 Sleeping Gas
2.3 Camera Camera
2.4 Kirby Workers Dream Fades
2.5 Bouncing Babies
2.6 All I am is Loving You
2.7 Treason
2.8 Books

this listing at allmusic makes me think that it is only the last three which are new.

Same listing makes it look like single mixes.

I did the research on this and did some A/B comparisons with the previous expanded release. Here's the relevant info. Personally the single versions are interesting but not essential.

Disc 2: Singles, B-sides, etc.
1. “Reward”
2. “Sleeping Gas” (single version)
3. “Camera Camera”
4. “Kirby Workers Dream Fades”
5. “Bouncing Babies” (single version)
6. “All I Am Is Loving You”
7. “Treason” (single version)
8. “Read It In Books” (single version)
9. “Kilimanjaro”
10. “Strange House In The Snow” (7-inch version)
11. “Use Me”
12. “Traison (C’Est Juste Une Histoire)”
13. “Sleeping Gas” (live)

Disc 3: BBC Sessions
1. “Brave Boys Keep Their Promises” *
2. “Ha Ha I’m Drowning” *
3. “Went Crazy” *
4. “Chance” *
5. “Thief Of Baghdad” *
6. “When I Dream” *
7. “The Poppies In The Field” *
8. “Reward” *
9. “Suffocate” **
10. “For Years “**
11. “The Great Dominions” **

* Found on BBC Session Peel Plus 1979
** New; Mike Read Session 10/27/80

When it was originally released, the album featured a shadowy photograph of the band on the sleeve, but this was later changed to a cover showing Mount Kilimanjaro, the mountain after which the record was named. When the album was subsequently released on CD the cover artwork reverted to the original.

Wikipedia is quite helpful about that track listing.

but Gerald beat me to it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOdJTTOe5lA

Has not lost an ounce of power in thirty years.

Oh crikey Wilder is genius....Cope's one true moment of greatness. He always talked a good record, and this really delivers. [...]

― Dr.C (Dr.C), Wednesday, August 30, 2006

well, Peggy Suicide or Jehovahkill, but on their own terms maybe Fried or World Shut Your Mouth are better for comparison's sake with Wilder, or at least on par? Kilimanjaro is a little punk rock and frantic, Wilder is beautiful and accessible, then Fried and WSYM get kinda solipsistic although equally pretty?

It’s definitely top tier. I also love Fried, Skellington and Peggy
Suicide. I don’t think I’ve heard Jehovakill or the mountain of stuff since then.

Floored Genius is usually what I put on when I’m in a Cope mood.

I’ve never heard a Cope track that I didn’t like but at some point I met my Cope quota. What’s the best stuff after Jehovakill?

Autogeddon, 20 Mothers, and Interpreter are worth investigating, after that it turns into... a different trip (I'm on board but we are somewhere far away from Wilder or Peggy Suicide)

Anybody know if Cope is ok? Cancelled some gigs five years ago and hasn't played out since. No interviews for years too, I think?
Still releasing things here and there, but, weird lack of profile.

Bigger Classic definitely. I've just been listening to it on repeat for an hour (see other thread) and didn't realise that this thread had been revived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2_sJHPIbVw

he can't be in too bad of a way since he's recorded and released an album a year since 2020 plus the 6 or 7 archival Cope's Note releases... he's in his mid-60s and his absence coincides with COVID. a lot of people dropped off the radar as a consequence of that experience