Playa rap = 80's Hair Metal

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Just as over the top and just as much of an outright insult to what begot it.

― David Allen, Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, this major insight into the human condition tells me that nu-ilm has no more to teach you...go forth and spread your gospel

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

no, this deserves out attention

Also has anybody ever noticed that the topics of Beach Boys tunes and the topics of chart rap songs are generally the same?

Really, it's so interesting

― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 22 February 2003 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

What we need now is a late night talk show host or jobbing stand up comedian to say "bling bling".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hair metal is much more easily parodied by Weird Al than any form of rap is.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Mostly bcz white ppl are not allowed to make black ppl jokes

― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)

now, ya see...white guys drive a car like this...

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

also how come lady reporters are allowed in the male locker room but not the other way around!!??

blimey it's like communist russia!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

feh. I think Chuck said it best. People who dismiss a genre outright probably don't listen to that genre. Like most genres, only a few really good album artists. Nelly is playa rap and I love him. Poison is hair metal, love them. Most are good for one song if that.

And if anything is hair metal, it's pop punk. It even SOUNDS the same.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

but playa rap probably doesnt work live half as well as 80's hair metal did, esp. in arenas, stadiums etc.

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

it all equals out in space, so eh

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 22 February 2003 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Uhm, a local whitebread radio station used "bling-bling" in a promo for one of their phone-in contests. Does that count, Dom?

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

[nu-ILM = paper tiger]

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

[taking anything posted on a thread like this seriously = waste of time]

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

[gotcha]

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

[me = teasing you, more to the point]

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

What begot 80s hair metal = 70s glam hair metal?

What begot [begat?] playa rap = gangsta rap?

Only "genre" to insult what begot it = punk?

[Also:
Main Entry: pla·ya
Pronunciation: 'plI-&
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, literally, beach, from Late Latin plagia -- more at PLAGE
Date: 1854
: the flat-floored bottom of an undrained desert basin that becomes at times a shallow lake ]

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 23 February 2003 07:29 (twenty-three years ago)

b-b-but the both improve on what begotten them!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 February 2003 07:57 (twenty-three years ago)

b-b-but the both improve on what begotten them!

You really think so? You would pick Poison over Mott the Hoople? Or Nelly over Dre?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 February 2003 08:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Barry Manilow never covered "Talk Dirty to Me"

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 23 February 2003 08:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't see how that has anything to do with anything.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 February 2003 08:19 (twenty-three years ago)

You really think so? You would pick Poison over Mott the Hoople? Or Nelly over Dre?

What about L.A. Guns over The Sweet? Or Trick Daddy over Coolio?

(nb: i'm not taking a side here, just leveling the playing field. also, nelly's first album might by "playa" whatever that is but what he's up to nowdays [pimp juice not excepted] is something else entirely)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 23 February 2003 09:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Point well taken. There's good and bad in every decade.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 23 February 2003 09:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Nelly over Dre any fucking day of the week, please.

― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 23 February 2003 10:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Nelly's first album over Dre's last. NWA over Nelly's first. Trick Daddy, MC Hammer and Arrested Development over "Hot In Herre".

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 23 February 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

but both of them under anything else

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 23 February 2003 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Nelly over Dre any fucking day of the week, please.

All the '92 era stoners and frat guys are going to rise from their chains of mortgages and child care to beat your ass now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 February 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

RRRRRRGH!! !! !!
MNNNNNHGH! ! ! ! !
WOOOOOOOGGGGGHHH! ! ! ! !

CLOMP CLOMP CLOMP CLOMP

BRRRRAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSSSS!!! !!! !!!

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 23 February 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Original metal = defiant, fun, full of purpose and rebellion
Original hip-hop = defiant, fun, full of purpose and rebellion

80s hair metal = songs with subject matter such as money, cars, females-as-objects, violence
current chart rap = songs with subject matter such as money, cars, females-as-objects, violence

I've actually written a 10 page paper on the similarities between these two things as well as how both have spawned a massive underground "alternative" (as in "alternative-to-what's-selling", as opposed to "alternative" as in "alternative-the-sub-category-of-rock")...taking into account the emphasis on fashion-over-musical-substance (Motley Crue leather&makeup = P. Diddy Sean John&bling bling, etc), things like that.

But I won't bring all that up in this thread, 'cause Nick luv da kids.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Sunday, 23 February 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

money = defiant
cars = fun
females-as-objects, violence = rebellion

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 23 February 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Your first and third equations make no sense.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 February 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

money is a big fuck you to all the people who think you don't deserve it, and violent misogyny is the normative mode of rootless teenage rebelliousness. Freud to thread (or Reynolds/Press for that matter).

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 23 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

rootless male teenage rebelliousness that is.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 23 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Vamos a jugar por la playa rap.

― Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 23 February 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Adam wins. :-)

rootless

See, this is something I think is overstated.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

wanksta!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 February 2003 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

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