Where is Greil Marcus' column moving to?

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According to Salon, the column at the beginning of February was the last Real Life Rock Top Ten. Does anybody know where he's moving to? I really hope he's not quitting.

Dave M. (rotten03), Sunday, 23 February 2003 23:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

new informative answers

Dave M. (rotten03), Sunday, 23 February 2003 23:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 24 February 2003 00:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Blount, I kiss you.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 24 February 2003 00:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Freaky Trigger!

Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 February 2003 00:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

James is my nu-hero.

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 24 February 2003 00:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that is so much better than a real answer

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 24 February 2003 00:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

www.sleaterkinney.com

Scott Seward, Monday, 24 February 2003 01:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

www.anorexicsex.com

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 24 February 2003 01:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ahahaha!! i heart scott seward

geeta (geeta), Monday, 24 February 2003 01:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe the Voice should pick it up...Chuck?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 February 2003 02:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe the Voice should pick it...upchuck!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 February 2003 02:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i hate you people.

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 24 February 2003 04:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh sorry, that should read 'i *heart* you people'. that's what i meant, honest.

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 24 February 2003 04:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Serious answer: It's not going anywhere. Salon's having serious $$$ troubles, as y'all most likely know. Though I think a paper that could boast both X-gau and Marcus would be a very fine paper indeed.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It got canned for money reasons, yes. GM is currently looking for a venue.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Marcus does have a tendency to let his prose wander toward the purple, which is very unbecoming a man his age... he gushes, he rambles, he gushes some more. But when he's on, he's on.

"Today, so many years later, the shock of punk is that every good punk record can still sound like the greatest thing you've ever heard… the power in these bits of plastic, the tension between the desire that fuels them and the fatalism waiting to block each beat, the laughter and surprise in the voices, the confidence of the music, all these things are shocking now because, in its two or three minutes, each is absolute. You can't place one record above the other, not while you're listening; each one is the end of the world, the creation of the world, complete in itself."

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

How does a dude like GM look for a venue?

He's like a five time Oscar winner looking for a project.

I would love to have him pitch me so that I could muster my sub-100 IQ and tell him I didn't have the space.

Salon.com deserves to leave us. My only hope is that they didn't still GM on the way out. Like some other writers I know, who got the privilege of waiting a long time for checks.

don weiner, Monday, 24 February 2003 05:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Salon.com deserves to leave us.

Why? I think they've done some great things. Eric Boehlert's Clear Channel series sticks out in my mind.

http://www.salon.com/ent/clear_channel/index.html

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Boehlert has more than earned his right to be published and get paid a lot for it. That guy wrote the best articles about the music business for two straight years and it was for a non-consequential publication.

No one reads Salon. Well, at least not many of us. It's too expensive, for one. It began as a great idea and then caterwauled into a predictably shrill shill for "progressives." Frankly, as soon as it become monochromatic it got boring. The problem is that no one will tell David Talbot that to his face, apparently. I mean, if his solution was to employ the predictable rantings of dudes like Andrew Sullivan--it's not really exclusive to publish a guy who already heavily blogs--I have to think that Talbot was not the man to be leading Salon to the promised land.

2-3 years ago I might have missed Salon. But what I've noticed was that I don't miss it much at all--ever since they introduced the high subscription price, people have been leaving in droves.

don weiner, Monday, 24 February 2003 05:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ever since they introduced the high subscription price, people have been leaving in droves.

Ah. There's our difference. I just paid. Go ahead, call me a sucker.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

DUDE.

Salon is seriously about to go under. They allegedly are having trouble paying rent and are in dire need of a wealthy suitor.

Hats off to you anyway. Nighty night.

don weiner, Monday, 24 February 2003 05:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I know. Apparently my thirty bucks didn't pay for shit. Sad, that.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 24 February 2003 06:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I hear Greil's going to write a column for us at City Pages (www.citypages.com). You didn't hear it from me...

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 24 February 2003 07:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh cool! Glad to hear it.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Didn't Real Life Rock Top 10 start at Artforum before Salon?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yar, it's still there, but with various guest hosts a la SNL

James Blount, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
It's official: Greil's column has moved to City Pages (www.citypages.com). Haters and lovers, you know where to look! Me, half the reason I'm doing what I'm doing is 'cause I looked in the City Pages A-list one day in 1990, shortly after moving here, and read that some guy was giving a lecture on the Sex Pistols at a St. Paul bookstore. I don't know if seeing him changed my life as much as seeing the Sex Pistols changed his, but it was one of those moments that I'll never forget...

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sweeeeeet

Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Buying a salon subscription 5 minutes ago to see a tom tomorrow strip - C/D?

david day (winslow), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 23:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Before Artforum, it was in the Village Voice.

Burr (Burr), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 22:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
I am going to see Greil Marcus present and speak on "The Manchurian Candidate" this Saturday. I have only read parts of "Mystery Train". What can I expect? Rockism?

I will report back (maybe on ILE/F).

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you can expect him to be really arrogant

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Well, he is a critic! ;P

Will I learn anything?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe he'll talk about Sleater Kinney!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Kyle- It's at the PFA! Wanna come?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

critics are supposed to be arrogant!

marcus isn't particularly rockist for a guy who likes rock, actually.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

have a good time adam.

amt- yes, we get it, you don't like music writers.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I saw him speak once and it was great.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 November 2003 19:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no i heard him speak once and he was arrogant even though his lecture was a mix of good and bad

my friend saw him a few weeks ago and said in an email that he was "arrogant"

i was just telling adam what to expect

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i like music writers i just don't usually like "rock critics"

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but i have a sympathy with marcus's first book

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

anyway

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

he's a great music writer, you are all nuts.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

actually i heard him speak twice once at a book signing and once at a seminar

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ask him who'd win in a nunchaku fight: Dylan or Elvis

nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 20 November 2003 20:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
pick up 'mystery train' in fopp, £3

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 11 April 2005 08:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

still three pounds too much.

nathalie doing a soft foot shuffle (stevie nixed), Monday, 11 April 2005 08:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

nine years pass...

Big news for me, maybe not for you: Scott Woods launched a new website yesterday that will collect a lot of Marcus’s writing going back to the beginning.

http://greilmarcus.net/

He’s got about 25 posts up so far. Scott has Marcus’s cooperation, so there should be no end to the amount of stuff that turns up there. There’s so much that I haven’t read in ages, or haven’t read at all: the "Real Life"s from the Voice, the Artforum columns, book reviews from Rolling Stone, stray pieces from wherever. There was a Marcus site a few years ago (forget the name—“Attic” was in there somewhere), but there wasn’t a great deal to it beyond a few links, and it eventually disappeared. I’m hoping--and knowing Scott, I think it will--this one becomes as necessary a reference tool as Christgau’s site.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 23:27 (three years ago) Permalink

"Jeb Bush died just two weeks after being mauled by gators at a Central Florida fund raiser"

in-house pickle program (m coleman), Thursday, 2 April 2015 10:28 (two years ago) Permalink

This should be something:

http://greilmarcus.net/2015/04/05/coming-soon-rock-a-hula-clarified/

clemenza, Sunday, 5 April 2015 23:44 (two years ago) Permalink

Looking forward.

Let's Take A CQ with Frankie Ford (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 April 2015 23:46 (two years ago) Permalink

the suspense builds...

curmudgeon, Monday, 6 April 2015 13:58 (two years ago) Permalink

Haven't had a chance to read it, but part I is up.

http://greilmarcus.net/2015/04/07/rock-a-hula-clarified-pt-1-0671/

clemenza, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 13:06 (two years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Oh, this is where his Real Life Top 10 is...

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/review/delayed-reaction

In latest one, he disagrees with Caramanica of the NY Times re Lana Del Ray. Not sure he has analyzed Caramanica's approach, the way most would. He also mentions old faves Peru Ubu and Van Morrison and isn't as hard on that Seabrook book as I thought he might be.

Here are some more

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/review/tag/real-life-rock-top-10

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 November 2015 17:35 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't know if it's Caramanica's thing so much as a major newspaper thing.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 November 2015 17:38 (two years ago) Permalink

Greil and his pet peeves

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:34 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I'm on a personal boycott at the moment, but you can all vent your spleen directly now:

http://greilmarcus.net/2016/02/10/new-feature-ask-greil/

clemenza, Thursday, 11 February 2016 05:41 (one year ago) Permalink

hmm, i am not sure what i'd ask greil
apparently his real life rock column is moving over to pitchfork!

tylerw, Thursday, 11 February 2016 22:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Ask him if it's true his mother's really a dolphin. I guarantee he'll respond.

clemenza, Thursday, 11 February 2016 23:19 (one year ago) Permalink

you beat me by 2 seconds...

scott seward, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:23 (one year ago) Permalink

that "i hate the internet" book better be good because I am sold on it

also, this is great

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:10 (one year ago) Permalink

The last scene in "45 Years" is exactly as he describes it. Incredible.

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Thursday, 18 February 2016 01:47 (one year ago) Permalink

It's his best bit in some time, compensating for his poorly reasoned Hillary defense.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 February 2016 01:57 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Not sure, but I think ILM's other J.D. might have an "Ask Greil" up about Spielberg's Lincoln film.

clemenza, Saturday, 19 March 2016 18:08 (one year ago) Permalink

haha, yep, guilty as charged. i also liked greil's riff on the rolling stones ("they can't even imitate themselves.")

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 20 March 2016 22:59 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

http://pitchfork.com/features/greil-marcus-real-life-rock-top-10/9895-i-need-to-scream-what-it-means-to-be-a-fan/

Had not seen that Corvette ad with the caption "baby, that was much too fast. 1958-2016"

His take on Parquet Courts is entertaining

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 00:30 (one year ago) Permalink

he's right about the track he singled out

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 00:47 (one year ago) Permalink

yep

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 May 2016 14:25 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

A common complaint about Marcus, probably all over this thread, is that his reactions to things sometimes have little connection to the things themselves. If you want to compare his famous description (in Mystery Train) of the Dick Cavett show with Little Richard and John Simon to the actual show, someone provided an online link to the whole episode in an "Ask Greil."

http://www.shoutfactorytv.com/the-dick-cavett-show/rock-icons-december-30-1970-little-richard/566a100b69702d083a210900

Marcus: "I'm much too afraid to watch it right now to see what I might have gotten wrong--or worse, made up."

https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil/

clemenza, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 15:00 (one year ago) Permalink

His explanation is inexcusable, especially since he opened his freakin’ book with that anecdote. I guess no one back then thought a tape would ever come back to bite them in the ass.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 15:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I watched that Cavett clip to compare it with Marcus' description in his book. Nowhere does Little Richard spew out the litany of song titles that Marcus quotes; it's hard to understand how Marcus could've gotten that out of what he saw in 1970. This brings to mind something I read at Geoffrey Pullum's blog Language Log about approximate quotation by journalists (Maureen Dowd gets caught changing and rearranging), here.

Edd Hurt, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 21:18 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

The Ask Greil column seems to be running on fumes.

09/07/16
Do you see any musician of the younger generation, about which in 40 years still will be written, similar as today about Bob Dylan, Elvis or The Beatles?

No way to know.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 9 September 2016 20:54 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Posted Feb. 29, 2016; greeted with some ridicule the couple of times I quoted it during the election.

Anyone nominated by either the Democratic or Republican party has a chance to win. Each candidate would start with a floor of about 40%, which is to say that within the 20% the candidates have to play with, anything can happen. Trump, like any Republican, would be helped by the voter-suppression laws in place in many swing states run by Republicans. The Democratic nominee could self-combust, be deligitimized by endless and scurrilous attacks, or even, given some unpredictable health, personal, or legal surprise, be forced to leave the race. In a presidential election, Nate Silver will prepare careful and accurate guides to what should happen, what is most likely to happen, but not what will happen: anything can happen. Add to this the disbelief on both sides that Trump could actually win, which energizes his followers and confirms his claims to outsider status, and add to that the fact that in many circles, particularly among better educated and better-off people, and particularly on the coasts, there are plenty of people who are attracted to Trump, who are secretly thrilled by the current of nihilism he is riding and the specter of destruction he embodies, but are keeping their mouths shut.

The bit about the coasts very wrong. Otherwise, pretty close to dead-on.

clemenza, Thursday, 10 November 2016 00:42 (one year ago) Permalink

i thought about that comment by greil a lot -- i wish none of it had turned out to be true, but most of it was.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 November 2016 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink

agreed

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 November 2016 01:28 (one year ago) Permalink

yep.

Unrelated-

LA Review of Books interviewed Greil re Dylan's Nobel Prize

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/bob-dylans-nobel-prize/#!

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 November 2016 14:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Post-election stuff in both "Ask Greil" and the new "Real Life."

http://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil/ (Third letter from the top.)

http://pitchfork.com/features/greil-marcus-real-life-rock-top-10/9975-a-historical-shudder-special-election-edition/

clemenza, Friday, 11 November 2016 22:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Too soon. Right now I’m waiting for him to die before taking office.

a full playlist of presidential apocalypse jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 11 November 2016 23:17 (one year ago) Permalink

looks like jill stein voter vic perry is unimpressed

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:00 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

6. From an academic conference at Yale: We’re used to Donald Trump punctuating his pronouncements with a quick “OK?” as if to simultaneously block any disagreement and reassure himself that he’s right. There’s a match in the habit of self-consciously hip younger academics presenting papers at a conference, reflexively hitting “right” at the end of declarative sentences, but in a manner that makes you hear a comma, not a question mark: a way of certifying the assumption that everyone present shares a certain set of opinions and terms of discourse. Right—it’s not an aggressive pronouncement but a congratulation of both the speaker and the audience for the truth that they already agree and that no fundamental preconceptions will be challenged. In other words, they and Trump are speaking the same language.

pitchfork.com/features/greil-marcus-real-life-rock-top-10/10024-how-protesting-babies-can-say-what-they-mean/

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 01:45 (ten months ago) Permalink

He's not wrong. Anyway, as far as I can tell, the problem is confined to anglophone—especially American—academia.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

Interesting. Haven't been to enough such conferences to confirm it.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

While he's at it, I'm not sure why he didn't aim his ire at people who insert "like" every other word

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:32 (ten months ago) Permalink

While he's at it, I'm not sure why he didn't aim his ire at people who insert "like" every other word

That battle was fought on the other side of this century.

I was thrilled that GM wrote about this "right" thing, used constantly by snake oil salesmen like DeRay (shameless shill).

The bit about the kid with the sign was great, too.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 16:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

That battle was fought on the other side of this century.

And lost. I'd say a third to a half of the people I teach with have like-like-like syndrome. I shouldn't care, but I hate it.

clemenza, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 16:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Another interesting "Ask Greil" about Trump (top of the page at the moment):

"Would Elvis have voted for Trump?"

https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 01:25 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

"Ask Greil" from yesterday:

"Lipstick Traces...destroyed, for me, the appeal of the individual performer telling you (or pretending to) about his or her own life. I don’t care about you, I found myself answering to so many songs: tell me something interesting about the world, or, really be in the world."

Could not agree more, whether it's Bono in 1987, or Axl Rose in 1989, or Eminem in 2000, or Beyoncé in 2016, or anybody out there today.

clemenza, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:04 (four months ago) Permalink

Glenn Frey and Don Henley

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:30 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I really wish Beyonce would tell us something interesting about what's going on in the world.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/5f4862f1180f27861a297abb789dab73/tumblr_o2875v3tnh1qho0beo1_500.gif

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:32 (four months ago) Permalink

I more or less agree with him, but it's hard to gauge introspection vs curiosity about larger world; there's lots of slippage. His bete noire Joni Mitchell to my ears tells me something interesting about the world, or her world, which to an artist comes to the same thing.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:33 (four months ago) Permalink

Isn't that a (one) novelistic technique - to reveal a truth about the world through interiority? Seems like a false designation.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 25 August 2017 21:34 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...
two weeks pass...

Made me laugh: there's about three minutes of Elvis Costello talking about Marcus ("Professor Marcus") in Frederick Wiseman's New York Public Library documentary.

clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 04:27 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

His responses to the Clinton/Broaddrick discussion have not been edifying...

Thank you for your reply to my post regarding the whole Bill Clinton-sexual-misconduct-allegations issue—it was a much more measured and respectful response than my rant probably deserved. (Although I did seem to rattle you into making a rare grammatical error—something to brag to the grandkids about). I can’t argue with your main point—Juanita Broaddrick joining Donald Trump’s pre-debate parade of Clinton accusers does make her guilty of having a double standard. That fact, though, is rendered largely unimportant by either possible answer to the simple, enormous question central to all this: is Broaddrick being truthful when she says that Bill Clinton raped her?
If the answer to that question is yes, then Broaddrick aligned herself with an asshole who spoke in the abstract about sexually assaulting women in order to turn the heat up on the man who brutally raped her and then skated on it for forty years; a hypocrisy most could understand.
If the answer is no, then Broaddrick is a sociopath who spent twenty years trying to ruin a man’s life in the most malicious way possible, and hypocrisy is the least of her crimes.
Here’s a question you can answer, even if it’s a ridiculous hypothetical one: if the unimaginable happened, if Bill Clinton admitted to the rape of Juanita Broaddrick, copped to the whole mattress-pinning, lip-biting scenario… would you still fault Broaddrick for letting herself be used by Donald Trump?
– Jackie

Yes.

The full discussion: https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 November 2017 14:50 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Probably as close to a year-end ballot as you'll find (last response):

http://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:11 (one week ago) Permalink

explains so much:

Favourite news source of the year (any medium)
The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC

evol j, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:16 (one week ago) Permalink


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