Songs about the pursuit of fame.

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Please relate the story told in the song. Whose perspective is it from? Is it a story of success or failure or just antipcation?

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Inspired by hearing Chuck Berry's "Bye Bye Johnny." From the perspective of Johnny's mama. She gives him all her money to go to Hollywood and make a name for himself. She recalls her days sharecropping to make enough money to buy little Johnny his first guitar. She is very sad to see hiim go. But surprise--instead of fame, Johnny finds a girl out in L.A., and promises to bring her home to Mom, where they will build a home by the railroad track and wave "goodbye" to everyone else travelling West in search of fame and fortune. Implication: Johnny has given up his dreams of stardom.

"Message to Martha" (also known as "Message to Michael" and "Kentucky Bluebird"). From the perspective of the lover left behind. Martha/Michael has left her small Kentucky town to sing in New Orleans clubs, where s/he has changed her name. Implication of new decadent lifestyle. Narrator says that Martha/Michael's "dreams of fame fell through"--what kind of sordid activities might s/he be engaged in now? (See why this works better sung by a man?) Narrator pines for lost love. Is narrator misguided?

"Do You Know the Way to San Jose." From the perspective of the would-be starlet with dashed dreams. She's decided to abandon the pursuit of fame and move to what she imagines is a more normal, laid-back sort of town. Lots of nice references to postwar car culture, but in a more suburban-prosaic fashion than, say, the Beach Boys. The bridge, though is fairly brutal. "And there you are, without a friend," etc.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

antipcation = anticipation

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Interesting that all of these songs wind up with a question. In "Bye Bye Johnny" it's whether Johnny is sincere about returning to his hometown or whether he's just trying to make his mama happy (this has a tragic dimension, as he may end up like Martha/Michael). In "Message to Martha" the question is, What exactly is Martha up to in N.O.? (I've always presumed s/he'll never come back to Kentucky.) In "San Jose" it's whether the narrator is just musing or whether she's really committed herself to giving up the game. What do you all think?

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Phil Ochs's "Chords of Fame" ends with a question, too. It's not so much a story-song, though. The first verse kinda begins as one, but then the lyrics go into generalities about how fame takes away the singer's song, etc.

hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

It's time for some INDIE... "Famous", the Magnetic Fields' boring lead off track to the particularly duff album Get Lost, has the subject telling his friend or lover that he/she "could be famous/you could sell the world a new look and sound/baby you could be famous/if you just got out of this town"

Aaron A., Monday, 24 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

QUITE FRANKLY I THINK I COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF BEING FAMOUS rules this thread. By, erm, some indie girl chancers called The Lollies.

If that's disqualified, please may I suggest "So You Wanna Be A Rock'N'Roll Star" by The Byrds.

kate, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Further question: is the narrator of "Message to Martha" a dipshit? And does the answer to that question depend on the gender of same?

Kate, you must tell us the storylines.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Joe Walsh, "Life's Been Good To Me So Far"

jodi shapiro (burun), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.foreignerfiles.com/discography/bootlegs/90jbh.jpg

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:54 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.mtv-china.com/avzone/photo/video/41dead_alive.jpg
I've seen a million faces, an I've rocked them all.

Aaron A., Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"Big Time," very possibly my favorite Peter Gabriel song.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Amateurist: The question about the whether the narrator of "Message to Martha / Michael" is a dipshit is a really good one. I don't know if it does matter necessarily about the gender, but switching it around really does bring things up. It's like setting up a parent/child - like thing, maybe. I don't know I'm asking "what is Martha / Michael up to...?"* so much as feeling a kind of pang about how the narrator can love Martha / Michael and yet wish that they gave up what they must really want at the same time.

*someone is doing a trans-gendered combination-version of the song, surely / sherman.

tom (other one), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Bros: "when will i be famous?"

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:15 (twenty-three years ago)

jack drag: "we could have been big"

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:15 (twenty-three years ago)

You are all missing the obvious!

http://www.sanfranciscoartmagazine.com/02/july/music/missionofburma/119248.jpg

MISSION OF BURMA
"FAME AND FORTUNE"
(Roger C. Miller)

Fame and fortune, facts of life

Most of what makes it is useless tripe

So change the angle of the battle plan

To hit the target

Fame and fortune, fancy that

Nothing but rabbits come out of the hat

So try to catch a falling star,

Crush it into dust and stuff it down a jar

And throw it far away

Now the point is back to front

See-through people

See-through monuments

No empire

The beginning, at the ending (one goes up, one goes down)

Smash a face against the wall

Grind a face into the ground - Oh No

Pretty faces on the wall - They Fall

Heat to boiling, disappear in the sky

Slash the ashes, and bake into a pie

Pretty faces on the ground - Oh No, No, No

Fame and fortune is a stupid game and

Fame and fortune is the game I play

I play forever

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I love this song. Sounds like the narrator is pretty happy about the whole thing (smashing and grinding of pretty faces)...calling it a game: hence the rabbit out of hat metaphor. Rabbits being game animals. Narrator is hungry for fame and fortune and makes additional food references to tripe and the baking of pies.

Additionally, this song is very timely with the looming war...talk of battle plans and targets. Bush has nothing on the Mission of Burma.

Ironically, Mission of Burma performed this as their one song show during their acceptance of the Boston Music Awards Hall of Fame Award in April of 2002.
http://www.sanfranciscoartmagazine.com/02/july/music/missionofburma/missionofburma.html

So they must be famous now after all.

BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Counting Crows, "Mr. Jones" ::runs::

Prude, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Bruce Springsteen + E Street Band -- Rosalita

jm (jtm), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:48 (twenty-three years ago)

"Ballad of a Teenage Queen" one of the worst Johnny Cash songs, at least one of his worst hits

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Class, I'm very disappointed in this thread. I want to know the many ways that the pursuit of fame can be explored in popsong. So I need description, discussion.

Tom: Re. "Message to Martha." I can identify with the narrator, which alarms me because I can do so for bad reasons. In the past I've had a certain possessive paternalism toward certain people; I've imagined them to be these innocents who will be lost in the big wide world. When in reality such feelings reflect more on my own naivete, my own fear. It may be that Martha/Michael is doing just fine in New Orleans--not a star, but getting by. But that thought is too scary or perhaps just beyond the ken of the narrator. (I mentioned the issue of gender b/c I saw this as being more pernicious if the narrator is male, but I'm rethinking that.)

I wonder how much of this Hal David built in to the lyric and how much of it we're bringing ourselves.

Re. "San Jose" one reason I love this song--I think it's one of the great 20th c. songs--is because the vision of San Jose life it draws is so comprehensively mundane, and yet so seductive at the same time. The lyric is so dense in the verses that it forces the singer into something of an automaton; there's little opportunity for "interpretation." Even the melody in the chorus is left sort of blithely unresolved: "...far away from home..." The music echoes this with its ersatz bossa-nova shuffle; it only really raises a sweat in the (instrumental) bridge, and then just barely.

I don't think that last graf made much sense but I haven't the energy to revise it.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Amateurist - I think it's disturbing to me to identify with the narrator in "Message to Martha", but it's not hard. Did the narrator ever really think that it was possible for Martha / Michael to be famous - what does the qualification of being "a star to me" mean, anyway? What a depressing song it would be if the narrator didn't think Martha / Michael was very talented (I know that doesn't have anything to do with fame, but I'm wondering anyway). I don't know anything about how Hal David wrote. I wish I could think of some songs to discuss, but all that's coming up is Blue Oyster Cult's "The Marshall Plan", and I don't want to remember it, much less discuss it.

tom (other), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 04:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I think what's disturbing is that the narrator doesn't really care to see Martha/Michael test his/her talent in a place where it matters. S/he would rather Martha/Michael be "talented" in that school-assembly way, a way s/he can comprehend and maybe control.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 04:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Bad Company - "Shooting Star". Rocker forms a band, sells lots of albums, and then O.Ds.

AC/DC - "Long Way To The Top". But only if you want to rock and roll...


Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 06:44 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah that Bad Co. song, MAJOR classic of this type.
also : "Rock'n'Roll (I Gave You The Best Years of my Life)" by Kevin Johnson

duane, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 07:17 (twenty-three years ago)

This should include Res if only because she WARNS the other lot that fame ain't all THAT

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 07:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Jaundiced post-stardom songs are a different breed entirely.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 07:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Morrissey thinks that fame's fantastic - you have to slaughter morality, but its' still great.

"Fame, fame, fatal fame/ Can play hideous tricks on the brain/ But i'd rather be famous than righteous or holy/ Any day, any day, any day."

Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 10:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Larwrence moans about lack of fame in Felt's "That's How Spook got her man" quite a lot.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 10:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I-enjoy-my-fame songs are a different breed entirely.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

The Equals-"The Guy Who Made Her a Star".

Smalltown boyfriend/bandmate does everything for his girl--"I'm the guy who made her a star/even bought a brand new guitar/and paid the fare/to get her there/where the bright lights are"--and now she won't return his calls.

I guess it's a bit like Twinkle's "Golden Lights", although he (Eddy Grant, I guess) makes it clear that she wouldn't have gotten where she was without him.

Also, "Jesus Christ Superstar" is about the most famous guy ever's struggle to hit the big time, from Judas' point of view.

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

"Golden Lights" is a good one. Its air of resignation ("I must put you behind me tonight / 'Cause you belong to the lights") really should be rendered agonizing by the music, but it's not. As a result I've always thought it was a little dry, something like a Dear John letter.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I love how she pauses in between "is life always like this" and "brother". The melody in that part is so perky.

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:29 (twenty-three years ago)

In one of his biggest hits, Bryan Adams relates the story of how he got his first real six-string - he bought at the five-and-dime and played it 'til his fingers bled. (It was the summer of '69.) After picking up the rudiments of guitar playing, Adams and some guys from school had a band. They tried real hard, but Billy quit and Joey got married. He should have known they'd never get far.

There's also some reminisces about the girl he met while working at a drive-in, but the upshot is that even though he got the fame he was seeking, he still considers the summer of '69 to include "the best days of my life."

mike a (mike a), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

So I guess the point of the song was that he sort of ambled into fame. There's very little about *wanting* to be famous in "Summer of '69;" it just happened, and Adams is now reminiscing about his early days.

mike a (mike a), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Does the song describe his gaining fame? As I remember the song, it just talks about his high school glory days and the gaining fame part is implied.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Exactly - I misspoke in the original message about how his pursuit of fame was part of the song. It wasn't.

mike a (mike a), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:46 (twenty-three years ago)

And let's not forget the Mountain Goats' "Best Ever Death Metal Band Out of Texas" - a good example of one's dreams of fame being crushed by society at large.

mike a (mike a), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Kermit & Fozzie:
Movin' right along
Fozzie:
We're truly birds of a feather,
We're in this together--
Kermit:
And we know where we're goin'.
Fozzie:
Movie stars with flashy cars and life with the top down.
Kermit:
We're stormin' the big town.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

'do you know the way to san jose' ("all the stars who never were are pumping gas and parking cars" is such a great line) and 'midnight train to georgia' always seem kind of linked songs about broken dreams of stardom

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Moviestar" by Harpo. Though I only know the Stereo Total cover. About a deluded actor friend who puts on airs when the only part he's ever gotten "was a commercial spot on the TV screen" .

"So you went to Sweden to meet Ingmar Bergman/But he wasn't there or just don't care/I think it's time for you my friend/to stop pretending you are a movie star."

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

AC/DC - "Long Way To The Top". But only if you want to rock and roll...

And let us not forget "Rock and Roll Singer," one of the ten best songs by anyone anywhere ever.

"I ain't no fool...I AIN'T FOOLIN' CANTCHA TELL?!?"

(Boo on Mark Kozelek for leaving that part out in his cover version.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

ac/dc also hit it with "ain't no fun waiting round to be a millionaire"

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

The Rollers-"Turn on the Radio". It's about "tripping out on Sunday when you find that you're a star". From their post-Les McKeown album Elevator.

It's great hearing the Rollers sing lines like "So you take another lude and you shoot another dime/'Cos your money is the power but your ego's on the line". J-j-j-jaded!

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Let me refine my "San Jose" comment: the music manages to echo, perfectly, the seductive normality of the lyric. At least, I find it seductive. My ex-roommate went into a conniption fit when I tried to put this on the stereo. Perhaps I'm just being contrary to no purpose, but I suspect her reasons for hating it are not too dissimilar to my reasons for loving it.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Patti Smith's "Piss Factory" is about a girl who's absolutly certain she's gonna be famous, but in the meantime she's inspecting pipe at a factory and shit like that.

Charles McCain, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm. I'm sure somebody had a song about "How to get and stay famous", now who was it?

phil jones (interstar), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Be Bop Deluxe "Axe Victim"
Jesus and Mar Chain "Guitar Man"

lucas, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Morrissey thinks that fame's fantastic

...but what about "Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself"?

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:21 (twenty-three years ago)

"Book of Millionaires" by Game Theory!

matt riedl (veal), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

The one and only true most obvious one is FAME, I'm going to live forever....

Lust in August, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned, I hate to be a butt, since the "I...Ain't...No.Foool" on "Rock And Roll Singer" is indeed glorious. But "I ain't foolin', can't you tell" is actually on the song "Live Wire." I think I also know why you thought they were both on the same song. Something about a stairway...

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoa-ho-ho, whay are we all forgetting about HL's all-time ember of wonder "DON"T YOU WANT ME"? Cocktail waitress drops officious man after five years of "good times" wherein he claims propelled her to fame. Man threatens woman to return her to former nobody-waitress position. Woman insists her ascent would have happened either way.

Piss Factory is fab, the story of the life of all my peers, sadly enough. Working world's worst jobs and sighing about their fantasy futures at night, when their present path will clearly never take them there. Until someone comes along and sweeps them off their feet from their bars and restaurants...watch out in five years, world! We're coming.

Fivvy (Fivvy), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe my ol' pal Eminem hasn't come up yet. "Lose Yourself" no? Something about getting only one shot at fame, no? Who would know better?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 02:35 (twenty-three years ago)

In this age of American Idol and neo-Svengalis, we need "Don't You Want Me" more than ever. Someone should cover it.

mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)

"Emma" by Hot Chocolate. Subsequently covered by Urge Overkill.

Sung from the perspective of Emma's lover. They had known each other "since they were five". Everyone always told Emma that because of her beautiful looks she was sure to become a star. The narrator himself promises to "make her the biggest star the world's ever seen". THese child lovers get married and hubby is the breadwinner while Emma tries to break in. He comes home from work night after night and hears her sobs; she's not getting any parts. One night he comes home, finds her dead body and a suicide note-

"Darling I love you,
But I just can't keep on living on dreams no more.
I tried so very hard not to leave you alone.
I just can't keep on trying no more."

It's interesting because it's about this person who has been set up for fame since youth, when she was some kind of child beauty queen. The unanswered question is just how complicit in this tragedy does he view himself? He was one of the people encouraging her, he was the one working 9-5 to support them, but was he pushing her too hard? He says he'd hear her cry and "feel so distressed", and think back to when they were five. Is he feeling genuine distress over Emma's emotional pain? Or is he distressed because this childhood dream they shared is not becoming a reality for him as well?

It's kind of a schlocky song, but there is something pretty great about the part when the singer reads the note (in both versions). Just the line "Darling I love you" is double tracked with female vocals, the appearance from beyond of the dead Emma, effective. Of course, on the Urge Overkill version they also add a cheesy string wash for good measure.

Musically though the Urge Overkill version is superior (which they curiously retitled "Emmaline"). They added this fantastic, bombastic prelude which was wholly absent on the original. Typical of these guys' vision at the time to take a mildly affecting bit of filler buried on a record from a forgettable 70's band, spruce it up, make it majestic, make it the centerpiece of their album. Too bad they fell off so hard later, because around this period (Supersonic Storybook), despite all their preening, they really had it together.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 09:34 (twenty-three years ago)


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