What keyboards or synths were used to make Thriller?

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Anybody know? Thriller the album in general or even just the song. In particular towards the end of thriller the bom bom on the 1 (LOL). It sounds like a synth bass or vocoder. Any guesses?
Drum machines?

Stay out the Bedroom!

toothy the boofer, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Ones that sound horribly dated and not especially "genius" today.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

neh neh nyeh

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I totally disagree. They hardly sound dated. Very slick. Total genius. Amazing production. Amazing Engineering too.

toothy the boofer, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)

"genius" my ass.

The main riff and overall production on Thriller are pathetic steals from Rick James' "Give It to Me, Baby".

And "P.Y.T" is Prince's "I Wanna Be Your Lover".

This post has been no help whatsoever, I'm sure.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex is thinking of that second Suicide album

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

the production on Thriller is flawless.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Great question. I don't know what the "bomp bomp"s are. It sounds like the sound could be an amalgam of two (or three) difft things. Pashmina? Other enthusiasts?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno, I read an article somwhere about all the gear they used on those 80s synth dance records, Thriller included- I think they said that all of the technology was something like HELLA EXPENSIVE AND NO LONGER MANUFACTURED OR SERVICED BY ANYONE, does that ring a bell? I believe the company that made the drum machines was OBSOLETE or ANCIENT HISTORY or COMPLETELY ECLIPSED BY SAMPLERS maybe, it's been a while.

Also if you just wanted to know for trivia reasons I wd guess Oberheims and Yamahas, those seem to be the most 'pop' of synths, and even with the original models you would need to score some OG 80's error chorus/flange/reverb FX to really emulate the sound perfectly - Lexicon, Yamaha and T.C. Electronic might be yr best bet.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I know jupiter 6 and 8's were popular. And Obheriem OB8. But I'm trying to find exactly what was used. I love prince but the production and engineering are way better than any 80's R&B pop album. Rick James don't like. Listen to the album again. Credit to Quincy? He put out some wicked 70s soundtracks. "Genius" let me see you write a better song.

toothy the boofer, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael Jackson wrote - what, 4 good songs in his whole career? (The Rhythym is Gonna Getcha, Thriller, Billie Jean, and PYT, I think...) The guy is anything but a fucking "genius". "Thriller" is okay, but it steals liberally from r&b hits and styles of the day - the two tracks I mentioned being the most blatant. The bass riff, the synth-clap drums on "Give It to Me Baby", it's all right there plain as day in "Thriller"... and I don't need to listen to "Thriller" ever again in my life, as I've already heard it nine million times more than is necessary (what with actually growing up in the 80s). Quincy Jones I could give a fuck about. Shoulda stuck to arranging Sinatra's Vegas albums...

I dunno, stick "Thriller" next to any 80s-era Prince, or "Atomic Dog", or Rick James... christ, even Andre Cymone's records are more interesting than Jackson's. All MJ had going for him was the squeal, the dance moves, and a shitload of industry backing.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm guessing a DX7 makes an appearance in there somewhere. EVERYONE in the 80s used a DX7 at one point or another.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

EVERYONE in the 80s used a DX7 at one point or another.

But not at the point in question (1982) because it (DX7) hadn't been released yet.

David (David), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:08 (twenty-three years ago)

It sounds like a synth bass or vocoder. Any guesses?
Drum machines?

From memory I think Thriller used a Linn for the drum track. I'm not sure how the 'bom bom' sound could sound like a synth bass AND a vocoder. I wish I understood what sound you're referring to.

David (David), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)

If I'm hearing toothy right, it's the two off-beat synth hits that kick off each bar of the vamp (haha) and it continues for the rest of the song, under Vincent Price's deathless VO. I think in the video its first appearance marks the exact moment Jackson becomes a zombie (and the start of the big ghoul dance sequence)?? It's warm but cold at the same time, perfect for the song

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I bet there's a Prophet Five and 808 in there somewhere. Maybe a Pro-One or an SH-101, although I'm not sure those existed yet.

I didn't really like or have a romantic history for 'Thriller' save "Billie Jean", but OFFTHEWALL is the sound of many days spent at skating rinks. Don't laugh.

Scott Warner (thream), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 02:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I still stand by the assertion that any synth fm the period is quite unlikely to sound like the associated recordings due to the lack of proper period FX and processing available (which pisses me off NO END)

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

As far as the Michael Jackson stuff, it doesn’t really matter. The programming, performances and writing are what sets that record apart.
Those old boards are cool, but I sure as hell would not want to deal with the maintenance headaches that invariably come with those synths.

If you are talking about early prince records, you can bet the farm that the drum programming came from a Linn Drum, and that the synths were Oberheims.

You are going to want to use one of the higher end analogue poly-synths for strings and pads. Oberheims OB-8's/OB-Xa's, Roland Jupiter 8's (Nick Rhodes' favorite board), A strong contender would be a Sequential Circuit's Prophet 5. There was also a lot of Minimoog on that record.

David is right, that is not a Yamaha FM synth. It was a Synclavier II. For the record, the DX7 was commercially available in 1982.


Mike Taylor (mjt), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 06:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracer Hand that's the part I'm thinking of!
It's great.
Thanks for all the input everyone!

toothy the boofer, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

If you are talking about early prince records, you can bet the farm that the drum programming came from a Linn Drum, and that the synths were Oberheims.

One of the great eighties moments -- Andy Bell from Erasure introduces Vince Clarke's Oberheim Xpander on stage, instrument part by instrument part. As heard on The Two-Ring Circus.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Prince's drum machine of choice was actually one of the Sequential Circuits models (Tom or Max), the giveaway being that immediately identifiable handclap sample.

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Does this mean I win the farm, Mike?

harveyw (harveyw), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Cite your sources harveyw! I've read more than once that Prince's main drum machine was the LinnDrum (or a related Linn model?). The LinnDrum has knobs for tuning each sample (pitching it up or down) and allegedly he cranked the handclap all the way down to get that distinctive sound. (If it were just the default sample, even in a relatively obscure machine like the SeqCirc ones, wouldn't you hear it on other people's tracks more?)

(I have no specific sources to cite, but I'm not claiming I'm right, I'm just claiming you might not have won the farm...)

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 27 February 2003 00:01 (twenty-three years ago)

christ, even Andre Cymone's records are more interesting than Jackson's

I think I'm starting to understand why people dislike nu-ILM....

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 27 February 2003 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)

man, "Surviving in the 80s" is a *great* record. I would much rather listen to that than "Thriller".

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 February 2003 00:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Thriller used Ndugu Chancler for the drum sounds (well Billie Jean at least).

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 27 February 2003 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant the track 'Thriller'.

David (David), Thursday, 27 February 2003 05:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm pretty sure there was heavy use of the Synclavier on that album. In fact I've heard it said that this was the primary instrument used.

A.H. (A.H.), Thursday, 27 February 2003 08:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm, perhaps I'm wrong, Paul in Santa cruz. I've never read a list of Prince's musical gear, but a friend of mine had the Sequential machine & as soon as I heard it (or, at least, heard the handclap sample) instantly thought, 'Ah, I get it...'. The Linn sound is much tighter & crisp, the Sequential is more flabby & boomy. Tho I guess that might be a tuning thing.

harveyw (harveyw), Thursday, 27 February 2003 09:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I am sure that Prince could afford both machines and probably used them both. That being said, I have spent a good chunk of time programming a LinnDrum and I know how they feel and I know what they sound like. I am not saying that he didn't use sequential, I am just saying that I hear Linndrum all over the records that I have heard.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Thursday, 27 February 2003 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.vintagesynth.org/sci/drumtracks.jpg

"Thirteen drum sounds all with programmable tuning"

"used by Orbital, Freddy Fresh, and Prince"

production began in 1982 [Purple Rain = 1983]

harveyw, I think it's safe to start buying cows for your new farm.

picture and info from the Vintage Synth Explorer.

(Like just about everyone who could afford one in the 80s, Prince also used a LinnDrum.)

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 28 February 2003 07:22 (twenty-three years ago)

This got me interested, so I decided to have a little gear geek fun and trainspot drum machines on Prince records. I have not used a LinnDrum in a studio since probably 1998, so it has been a good five years. I know I have heard it alot on Prince singles, so I decided to reaquaint myself with it. What I did was download both the sample sets from the the hyperreal site, and gave them both a good listen. My soundcard is consumer grade, but I am listening though monitor grade Sennheiser hd280 headphones.

http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Sequential/Drumtraks/
http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Linn/

The next thing I did was soulseeked (Using soulseek as a verb rulez!) as many Prince singles from the early/mid 80's that used drum machines as I could find. Then I went through each track about four times checking the drum track and trying to figure out exactly which sound were used underneath all the processing.

Here is what I came up with:

Little Red Corvette: This one is definitely LinnDrum. There is a lot of reverb and eq over the different sounds, but the sample set is too big and doesnt quite match the Drumtracks. The Kick Drum is the dead giveaway, the DT has this punchy "put-put" kind of sound, whereas the Linn samples have a longer decay and seem to roll off a bit. The Toms which double for kick drums in parts also don't match the DT. It also seems like he was using the sidestick snare as well.

I Would Die For You: I am pretty sure this is the Drumtracks. The kick and the clap seem to be the clinchers on this one. It is funny how much the sample sets of these two machines overlap. The Kick seem to have that "put" punch to it, and the clap is DT. The Snare is the hardest part and I can't be complete sure where it came from, it has so much gating and reverb on it. The funny thing is that if you were not really studying the record you really could not tell that big a difference between the DT and the Linn.

U Got The Look: To be honest I can't even tell if this is drum machine. Obviously Sheila E. is playing the latin percussion over the top, but the kick and snare have so much gating and reverb on the that they could be anything.

Ballad Of Dorthy Parker: This one is LinnDrum without a doubt. Listen to the sidestick snare, the kick, and the hi-hats. When I talk about how a LinnDrum feels, this track is exactly what I am talking about. This is a text book example on why those boxes were awesome.

Kiss: This one is LinnDrum as well. The Kick and Snare are reverb and gated to hell, but he leave the hi-hats clean in the mix. That is how you can tell, those aren't drum tracks hi-hats, they are Linn.

Erotic City: Damn, this one is hard, probably the hardest one yet. I really can't say because all percussion that isnt the kick and snare is bathed in reverse reverb and a touch of flange. The other thing is that a lot of the percussion is layered through effects, so you can't get a clear picture of what it is. I think it is the Linn, but I am honestly not sure.

That was pretty weird, six random prince track from soulseek, two of them I have no idea about, three of them are definitely LinnDrum, and the other one is Drumtracks. One thing I did learn is that Prince is the man. That guy knows how to make it work.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Saturday, 1 March 2003 23:46 (twenty-three years ago)

prince himself said he stopped using the linn after sott. on 'kiss' the gated hi-hat sound is actually an acoustic guitar gated to hell (thats why it make the appropriate key changes). which is really the hook of the drum beat if you ask me.

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 2 March 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you serious? You know, you are absolutely right, that is the hook of the beat. I have to give him credit on that, I never would have guessed that the hats were gated guitar...I totally want to steal that idea now.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:38 (twenty-three years ago)

All more reason why Prince is A Genius. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Pedantic note: the thing about the gated acoustic is true but it's not there as a replacement for the hihat - there's quite plainly an actual hihat there as well.

David (David), Sunday, 2 March 2003 10:16 (twenty-three years ago)

actually Prince had nothing to do with making the actually track. he wrote it for David Rivkins band Mazerati. He gave it to them as an acoustic demo. according to Rivkin from the book DMSR: "It was just an acoustic version so i had licence to go nuts and do whatever i wanted with it. We stayed up all night and made it ino the groove we're all familiar with. We turned it into a groove. We came up with this drum beat and gated the acoustic guitar to the hi hat of the drum machine. we added bass, that little tinkly piano part and the boys added backround vocals." When Prince checked into the studio the next morning , he was surprised his simple blusey acoustic demo of "Kiss" transformed into an amazing funk number.
"Prince said 'I'm taking that back!'" Remembers Susan Rogers (his longtime engineer)

all Prince did was omit the bass line, add a guitar part and sing over it.

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 2 March 2003 10:30 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
one or two people here are wrong!!dead wrong!!

the tech on thriller is definately as credited to the inside sleeve
a synclavier mk11 a linn lm1, a tr808,and natural unsampled percussion on certain tracks, yamaha dx7,s were NOT commercially available UNTIL MARCH 1983! fact,i am a music technologist who worked on that project it took 15 years to get the fm tech right as you know it in regards "dx7's". thriller was fully recorded as you know by the autumn of 1982 so there is no dx7 in there at all!!!!!!.

in fact! the thriller album utilises NO fm sound technology it utilises sampling technology voice samples and added bells on the synclavier it is in the sound library i have got it!!!
!!!

a jupiter 8,and various other impotant synths made the grade!!!.

the sequential circuits drumtraks actually robbs I MEAN utilises the linn drum AND oberheim drum sounds and those drum sounds were sampled in LA by a session drummer called art woods, USING A LUDWIG DRUM KIT AND OBVIOUSLY HIS HUMAN HAND CLAP!

the drumtraks actually is not used (a whole big lot on the whole) by a lot of famous people as some of you are led to beleive, i am afraid the linn lm1 and linndrum are the definate culprits there and that is indisputable fact.
if you want to know the tech research it properly before accomplishing stupid "facts" un educated ones at that.

sorry to be insulting but you act like babies and i will mother you all suck my big pert mother tits y'yall lol.......

sue, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

i love how people think certain synths are "dated" or "obsolete" since that means things that were once expensive are now really cheap, and once we realize that things we do today fit into the "early electronic music" as much as the 80s, then those things we make fun of now will be in more demand.
So please, be deluded and find the synths in thriller to be outdated, since I will be buying them up and having fun with them.

andrew b (klik99), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

whoa! was this an early incarnation of startrek man?

jäxøñ (jaxon), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

nine years pass...

The main riff and overall production on Thriller are pathetic steals from Rick James' "Give It to Me, Baby".

Uh WAT

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 June 2015 17:44 (eleven years ago)

I will allow that assertion.

example (crüt), Friday, 19 June 2015 18:09 (eleven years ago)

Re: "Kiss": "there's quite plainly an actual hihat there as well..."

Yes and you can hear it slightly opening several times - sometimes on the and of four, sometimes on the and of one. It may not have been played live but it certainly appears, disappears, and moves around in different measures. The gated acoustic is a deeply fine sound but it is not responsible for the funky sizzle of the slightly open hat.

Ye Mad Puffin, Friday, 19 June 2015 18:48 (eleven years ago)

MJ loved Tangerine Dream.

he apparently used their groove i.e. samples, in several places ..

mark e, Friday, 19 June 2015 18:58 (eleven years ago)

^ e.g. the Synclavier sound 35 seconds into this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPcglRBYfu0

example (crüt), Friday, 19 June 2015 19:17 (eleven years ago)

oooooh

lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 19 June 2015 19:19 (eleven years ago)

I assume they didn't sample that though. Just the same preset.

example (crüt), Friday, 19 June 2015 19:20 (eleven years ago)

The main riff and overall production on Thriller are pathetic steals from Rick James' "Give It to Me, Baby".

Uh WAT

― Johnny Fever, Friday, June 19, 2015 5:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can kinda see what the means, tbh.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 19 June 2015 20:38 (eleven years ago)

@ 3:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaiBhPWWvKs

MarkoP, Friday, 19 June 2015 20:50 (eleven years ago)

xp I went back to listen to Give It to Me Baby specifically with the intention of hearing Thrillerisms and didn't hear anything even approaching overt, so *shrug*

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 June 2015 21:27 (eleven years ago)

the "Thriller" bassline sounds like "Give It To Me Baby" the same way "Another One Bites The Dust" sounds like "Good Times"

example (crüt), Friday, 19 June 2015 21:28 (eleven years ago)

Ah okay, I kind of get it now, but saying either of the latter two songs are "pathetic steals" from the former two is a tenuous claim.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 June 2015 21:33 (eleven years ago)

John Deacon actually was influenced by Good Times on that song tho. The Thriller/Give It to Me Baby comparison is one I hadn't heard before, and even though the bass lines aren't exactly the same, taking into account the similarity (along with the underlying chord progression on the verses) is close enough that if they were songs from today, I would totally not be surprised to see RJ sue MJ.

Dominique, Friday, 19 June 2015 21:42 (eleven years ago)

Don't know about the synths but MJs vox on Thriller were famously recorded with the decidedly mid-fi Shure SM7. Why? Because it sound intersting

unknown pleasure zone (uptown churl), Saturday, 20 June 2015 01:36 (eleven years ago)

I would totally not be surprised to see RJ sue MJ.

Aw man, I just got bummed out when it occurred to me both these guys are dead.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 20 June 2015 01:57 (eleven years ago)


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