― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
And what were the worst albums/bands of the era.
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
1994
I f-ing hated the britpop music culture 94-96.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
Catergories - Monkey Resemblance, Number of videos with a budget above the bands station, Union Jack bandying, Current obscurity and Degree of monobrow.
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
So did Brit-pop's best band, the Boo Radleys, who annihilated their own career with the so-called screw-you-all anthem C'mon Kids. Careericide is cool, especially when it's built on great songs and an uncanny Liam imitation telling everybody to reject Liamism.
― Neudonym, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Daniel Brookes, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Daniel Brookes, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
Heh heh heh. Always loved that man's writing when he was in a mood.
Menswear were still great, though.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
with any "scene" there are always going to be mediocre artists following behind the front-runners - hence menswear, shed 7 etc.
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think I quite like Britpop. I think I can understand why many people didn't.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
Geir will answer that question over the next couple of days!
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
To which this US resident says, "Big deal. People wanted to be proud of England, let 'em. At least we got Teenage Fanclub out of it." (Yeah, I know, they weren't Brit-pop. But would they have found a rabid fanbase without it? I dunno....)
Plus: XTC/Who as spiritual godfathers = better than any two movement spiritual godfathers I can think of.
― Neudonym, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
Britpop = bunch of British bands using very British influences and addressing very English issues in their lyrics: but i'm not sure it threw up any more great British music than any other stage of the 90's. Just that a lot of the good bands were related (vaguely, at least).
My fave bit in the Stubbs article is where he talks about British music being in the doldrums in the early 90's ("Suede, Massive Attack, MBV - rubbish like that.") There was always great music (and crap music) coming out of Britain, just it was more focused during that period.
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Remove the sarcasm and you're on the money!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
i do.
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
ned, i KNEW you were going to post that post. you are a swine and a half ;-)
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
For starters 94-96 [just limiting it to British artists]
great music was made by:bark psychosis, laika, o'rang, scorn, techno animal, The aloof, tricky, anaethma, slam, underworld and the year of 1995: jungle music one of most exciting British music cultures of alltime - was in full flow - the NME and MM virtually ignored it, apart from the odd column from Simon Reynolds. every thursday on Radio 1 at 9 - 10 - essential listening in 1995.
what fucking annoyed me was the overwhelming suffocation of NME, MM and music on TV at the time - that music revolved around a bunch of shitty conservative trad retro bands peddling melodic songs crap. The two media henchmen: Lamacq and Chris Evans were responsible for the utter mess.
the britpop/ladrock that i refer to, that stank of trad retro-isms: Shed 7, Cast, Bluetones, OCS, Oasis, Kula Shaker, Supergrass, Dodgy and Paul Weller.
I remember picking up the MM/ NME in 94/ 95 and 96 and shaking my head - how utterly wrong-headed they were each week.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
all released at least one song i like! ok...not Shed 7...or OCS...
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
This is still true! In 6 years time are people going to be talking about the Vines, Datsuns, Libertines etc as the most exciting music being made in 2003? Er....bollocks are they.
But re: Tom's point - the pop is the important thing. Pulp & Blur especially released fantastic pop records during the 'Britpop' period that would have sounded fantastic regardless of whatever scene they were attached to. Obviously most of the really good guitar music being made 94-96 wasn't considered 'mainstream' Britpop - eg SFA, Boo Radleys, Gorky's - but what's new? At what point in the last 25 years has there not been great British guitar music, and when has the best stuff ever been the most widely celebrated?
So: Britpop as a 'scene' or 'movement' is worthless - a marketing device, basically. Some good records were made, lots of shit ones were too. It is entirely unremarkable.
― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
the thing that annoys me the most about the 'Live Forever' film is how the makers are repeatedly quoted as inferring that the 80s were just awful and Britpop/the 90s made everything better again and i just want to slap them for being so fucking wrong
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
looking back on Britpop some terrific singles came out, a few great albums but for 'rock critics' its albums that count. But i guess its the whole flag waving thing that embarrasses everyone. I just wonder how Scottish people felt about 'Britpop'. I cant imagine scots waving union jacks with vigour somehow (or the welsh)Steve M , the 90s and the 80s had as many great singles/bands/albums as the 60s & 70s. And the same amount of rubbish. Sometimes you just need to dig deeper. Clearly the person responsible for 'Live Forever'film didnt.
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
I wonder why Britpop remains so unloveable. Similar scenes like Merseybeat and Glam (if you discount the great groups involved in both) had loads of chancers and mediocre music, but they had some kind of charm, some sense of fun. I think Britpop is hated for its cynicism, the blatant but ironised careerism of the participants. Nobody was grateful.
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
i'm trying to disprove thi, but no joy yet...
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
Stevem I mean they're inherently good even if the record is rubbish - they're like tiny micro-universes of pop where you can glimpse strange alternate realities in which the usual rules do not apply.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
ha, never mind that Chandrasonic was a fan of The Byrds at this time (according to NME end of year singles round-up panel)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
It will be interesting to see how much junk in the past decade makes the 100.
last time around they did it was October 93 http://www.rocklist.net/nme_writers.htm
[i,e pre britpop era, i define the Britpop era as April 94 onwards (death of Cobain, focus on Britain: first Oasis single and the english culture of Parklife)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Steve McCluskey, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Steve McCluskey, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
it is nearly an insoluble urban cookie collective xxp
― imago, Saturday, 3 February 2018 10:04 (six years ago) link
& MORE ACTS STILL TO BE ANNOUNCED
― the pinefox, Saturday, 3 February 2018 10:39 (six years ago) link
What a depressing list...
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 3 February 2018 10:39 (six years ago) link
there are always more acts still to be announced in the endless circles of Hell
― slouching towards depresslehem (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 10:42 (six years ago) link
Man, this is a researchers dream. You couldn't get a demographic this distinct all together in one place if you tried. If ever you wanted to conduct a nuclear test, or see how the plague's been hanging about for centuries, this is the time and place.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 3 February 2018 10:55 (six years ago) link
I can't remember what Hooton 3 Car sounded like
Kinda like a poppier Leatherface iirc.
I'd also go and watch the Terrys. Brandon Block made me lol, while I was at university some guy in my hall of residence had booked him to DJ somewhere and he didn't turn up, so the guy who booked him started a rumour he'd died and there was some minor controversy around it.
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link
The amount of drugs he used to take, I'm amazed he's made it to 2018 tbh
― groovypanda, Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:25 (six years ago) link
there's a thought
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:28 (six years ago) link
In 1996 his lifestyle began to catch up with him and he was diagnosed with tuberculosis after visiting India the year before. He was also addicted to cocaine and was forced to withdraw from DJing for six months. There were even rumours of his death after hoax postings on the Internet.
That'll be it
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:31 (six years ago) link
didn't he go to ibiza one year as a fat man and finish the summer as a very thin man, having basically eaten nothing but drugs for months?
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:33 (six years ago) link
you have to take your hat off to the greats
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:35 (six years ago) link
Thank god he didn't go there a thin man
― scrüt (wins), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:38 (six years ago) link
yes, what a tragedy that would have been
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link
ITT: ILM whines about Britpop also-rans. Again.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:41 (six years ago) link
Ballad of a fat man
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:41 (six years ago) link
fuck turrican has us bang to rights
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:43 (six years ago) link
fuckfuckfuck
he's got our number alright
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:45 (six years ago) link
One of these acts is responsible for two of the greatest British singles of the last thirty years - though I’m sure there are more enjoyable scenarios for seeing N-Trance available.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:48 (six years ago) link
I saw K-Klass live once, literally can't remember anything about the experience to comment. oh..
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:52 (six years ago) link
Yeah I mean for all I know they blast out the occasional decent tune at edl marches but
― scrüt (wins), Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:52 (six years ago) link
they were supporting 808 State and MC Tunes!
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 11:55 (six years ago) link
N-Trance are supporting Natalie Imburglia on her UK tour next month!
― boxedjoy, Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
stopping in the dance tents would be the only viable option here obv but there's a more viable option
y'know, i thought long and hard before i posted. "not another Britpop thread," i thought. "Just K pushing the same old buttons, no need for the umpteenth pile-on," i thought. "Let people enjoy what they like," I thought. "I'm sure this doesn't represent the sum total of what Britpop gave to the culture," i thought. "it's just tedious whining about these also-rans who are totally different to all the great things that Britpop brought into the world," i thought.
then i had a couple of rums and a morning bopping around in the shower to Iron Maiden and fuck it, here i am.
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:05 (six years ago) link
ITT: ILM whines about EDL marches. Again
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:06 (six years ago) link
these are EDL also-rans tho
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:07 (six years ago) link
the Brandon Block story alone made it a pretty great thread revive tbh
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:09 (six years ago) link
i used to have this thing about Gaz Coombesi used to play him every blue moonsgod bless blue moonsgod bless Gaz Coombes
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link
The South; supposedly ex members of The Beautiful South but.. anyone?
Alison Wheeler (Vocals), Gaz Birtles (Vocals), Phil Barton (Guitars), Steve Nutter (Bass), Dave Anderson (Drums), Karl Brown (Percussion), Gareth John (Trumpet), Su Robinson (Sax) and Andy Price (Keys).
When The Beautiful South split in 2007, some members of the band didn’t feel ready to hang up their microphones or instruments just yet…The South feature former members of The Beautiful South including singer Alison Wheeler and lifelong sax player Gaz Birtles.Since original singer Dave Hemingway left the group earlier this year, Gaz has now moved across to vocal duties. They play the songs made famous by The Beautiful South and bring back the full flavour and excitement with the nine piece live band.
Come on! Let’s Carry On… Regardless!
― piscesx, Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:14 (six years ago) link
i know that Gaz too, he's a good bloke
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link
I skipped Turrican B's Groove, it's a bit of a dud.
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link
scratch that, i think he just looks like a lad i know
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:19 (six years ago) link
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEtWdI9FByA
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:21 (six years ago) link
There isn't a single original member of The Beautiful South in that band!
(several x-posts)
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:25 (six years ago) link
then i had a couple of rums and a morning bopping around in the shower to Iron Maiden and fuck it, here i am
this is a v irresponsible use of water fyi
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:28 (six years ago) link
I FELT GUILTY AS I WAS DOING IT
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:30 (six years ago) link
bring your water to the slaughter
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:33 (six years ago) link
i love you man
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
even a terrible thread can be turned to beauty
http://www.barryanddistrictnews.co.uk/resources/images/1991784/?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
nobody can grudge me this revival after that post!!
― Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link
vg+
― Mark G, Saturday, 3 February 2018 14:07 (six years ago) link
I just had a delayed lol about this, after my third lager.
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link
lager lager shouting shouting on the third stage Sunday.
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
Off the back of the Guardian article I am staring at another one of these festivals. I must be maturing, calming down, because it fills me with questions rather than horror. Would I enjoy the Primitives and Darling Buds less when they're sandwiched between Back to the Planet and Bentley Rhythm Ace? In fact, wouldn't it have been better to get Senser and Back to the Planet on the same day? Would a Cud fan be offended that they're further down the listing than Kingmaker (for a day)? Is it contractual that eg Chris Helme isn't Chris Helme (The Seahorses) but Miles Hunt is Miles Hunt (of the Wonder Stuff)? Why are The Beat there? idk, I have no answers.
― woof, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link
MILF EMF POOL PARTY
― Neil S, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:44 (five years ago) link
In fact, wouldn't it have been better to get Senser and Back to the Planet on the same day?
this is most likely because someone or everyone in Senser works Monday to Friday, c'mon
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
(xp) Unbelievable *gets coat*
― Visibly Over 25 (snoball), Thursday, 6 September 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
read the article, then one of the comments made me listen to the campag velocet 'comeback' album.result.
― mark e, Thursday, 6 September 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/qjbdzx/lads-gak-and-union-jacks-the-oral-history-of-cool-britannia
Lads, Gak and Union Jacks: The Oral History of 'Cool Britannia'"The thing is, so much of it was about bullshit."
Eurgh.
I laughed a bit @:
Luke Haines: At the time I thought most of it was garbage. Now I think some of it was quite groovy. Menswe@r were good and they made a disastrous second album – a country album – that was only released in Japan. I rate them highly for this.
Otherwise, we’ve seen it all.
― afriendlypioneer, Monday, 1 November 2021 11:24 (two years ago) link