S&D: Louis Armstrong

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I have the 'Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man' and 'American Icon' box sets. I think the former is as great as music gets. Do these two collections pretty much cover all his essential stuff, or are there other treasures to be found among the hundreds of albums listed on Amazon?

andy, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

It duplicates a lot of what's on Portrait of the Artist, but you really can't go too far wrong with one of the various _Complete Hot Fives and Hot Sevens_ sets that are around (go for a cheap one).

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Do these two collections pretty much cover all his essential stuff, or are there other treasures to be found among the hundreds of albums listed on Amazon?"

No way to your first question, yes to the second.
JSP has a box set of the Complete Hot 5s and 7s that is essential -- possibly the most important recordings in the history of pop music. Your Columbia box set has some of these but in vastly inferior sound. And avoid the Columbia version of the complete set. The JSP set sounds the best and is dirt cheap ($25 or so for 4 CDs).
Then get JSP's "Big Band Recordings 1930-1932," a 2-CD set. Another superb set.
Next, search out his early recordings on Decca, where he put more emphasis on his vocal talents. Some of these are available on Decca or the Classics labels.
Some other fine sets are "Satchmo: A Musical Autobiography," a 1950s series of recordings in which he revisits his old stuff; and "Ella & Louis," "Plays W.C. Handy," and "The Complete RCA Victor Recordings."
His Verve recordings aren't as essential, I don't think. He also did a great set with Duke Ellington in the early 60s.
Hope this helps.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also the Fats Waller album "Satch Plays Fats" (part of the same series as the W.C. Handy one). The WCH tribute is slightly po-faced, I think - trying too hard to be a "portrait of the legacy of a historical legend". It's good, but too reverential. The Fats tribute is just rip-roaring uncomplicated fun, with some wild trumpet solos even by Armstrong's standards and plenty of double entendre. The polar opposite to "Kind of Blue", which was recorded in the same year - you can hear why Miles was ambivalent about acknowledging a debt to Pops.

Andrew Norman, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Portrait of an Artist" is a great box set, one of the very best. It's just not nearly enough.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

He also did a great set with Duke Ellington in the early 60s.

I just got this a week or two ago, and although my taste for jazz is waning this is still very good.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's true, I have the JSP Hot 5s/7s box, it's cheap, the notes are good, and it sounds better than the Columbia.

You can't go wrong with Armstrong, I even like his version of the Lovin' Spoonful's "Daydream"...

Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
he guests on an andy iona hawaiian set from 1937 i think,a nice version of on a coconut island

terry lennox. (gareth), Saturday, 22 October 2005 08:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, to put it blunty, Louis Armstrong is well past his day in the limelight. In other words, he suxors major. Check out some Black Eyed Peas if you wanna hear some real music. "No, no, no, no, don't funk with my heart!"

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0009I476Q.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Lenox Louis, Saturday, 22 October 2005 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I the only one who prefers the sound on Portrait of the Artist? The JSPs lack bottom to my ears.

Burr (Burr), Saturday, 22 October 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I was blown away by the JSP mastering; I was used to the Columbia issues and the clarity of the JSPs was almost frightening, like they were in the room with me or that it was recorded last week. I'll have to go back and listen again for lack of bass.

Brakhage (brakhage), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I kind of like the Louis Armstrong/Oscar Peterson album. I mean it's really really good but it makes me feel too, I dunno, old or something. It gives me that feeling like, "Thanks Jonathan Schwartz, this is great music, and while your at it, bring me my meds so I can take a nap before shuffleboard."

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 22 October 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

The JSPs lack bottom to my ears

me too, I first heard the volumes from the Columbia series and whatever JSP did to clean up the hiss sacrificed some warmth too, not that you should or would care if you weren't used to the Columbia ones. Thinking of the comp-as-mixtape, I much prefer the Columbia sequencing too but whatever, the JSP is great anyway.

also search: him singing w/ Dave Brubeck's band on "Summer Song" near the end of his life, his fading but ever-hopeful growl adds slabs of poignance to an already lovely tune.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 22 October 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

That What a Wonderful Christmas comp w/half Louis and half others is really really fun. So is 16 Most Requested Songs. These are if you wanna go a one-disc/cheapy route.

Proper has just put out a 4CD box of Louis' early stuff for about $18 or so. Haven't heard it so I can't weigh in on the mastering but the price is certainly right.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 23 October 2005 06:51 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

just read this bio of louis armstrong by terry teachout (wall street journal drama critic) - it swings!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cIIMnzkpL._SL500_AA266_PIkin2,BottomRight,-16,34_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

not a fan of teachout's journalism - he's a reactionary windbag IMO - but this book is pretty great, judicious and full of details gleaned from louis' voluminous memoirs, journals, letters. had no idea armstrong was such a jazzy writer. and the book is compact - tight like that - less than 400 pp, rather than a sprawling multi-volume set.

lifetime supply of boat shoes (m coleman), Monday, 21 June 2010 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, i enjoyed this book, a good mix of life/music + as you say, compact, at least compared to a lot of bios. actually made me want to read all of Louis' memoir stuff.

tylerw, Monday, 21 June 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link

christgau review here fwiw:

http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/Pops-as-Pop/ba-p/2578

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 June 2010 06:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Clear, balanced, accurate, fast-flowing, and musically informed though it is, Pops is based on secondary sources.

when your subject has been dead for almost 40 years, along w/most of his collaborators & colleagues, how else to proceed?

lifetime supply of boat shoes (m coleman), Monday, 21 June 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Born 110 years ago today. Man should be on our currency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhVdLd43bDI

Jazzbo, Thursday, 4 August 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

Ah, American currency anyway.

Jazzbo, Thursday, 4 August 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EYJkD3pkNE
kind of an amazing collection of people here

tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

heh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWyH85LK-lI&list=UUOIbeYUX2aig&index=44
kind of like this, anyone heard his country album? guess he was riding ray charles' coattails there?

tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

HB Louis Armstrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmmFKu4FEbc

Brad C., Thursday, 4 August 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Just picked this up the other day. Takes a detailed look at Armstrong's recordings during his early period and is getting rave reviews. The author, Thomas Brothers, also wrote Louis Armstrong's New Orleans.
http://manwithoutqualities.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/louis-armstrong_master-of-modernism.jpg?w=650

Jazzbo, Friday, 7 March 2014 12:55 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

You gotta hear this — original metal "mother" of "Ain't Misbehavin'" from 1929. Sounds glorious. Not sure if you can't buy it anywhere.
http://www.openculture.com/2016/04/the-cleanest-recordings-of-1920s-louis-armstrong-songs-youll-ever-hear.html

Jazzbo, Thursday, 14 April 2016 11:15 (eight years ago) link

very cool

dc, Thursday, 14 April 2016 12:17 (eight years ago) link

damn these really do sound amazing!

tylerw, Thursday, 14 April 2016 14:46 (eight years ago) link

Omg

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link

his home/museum in Corona, Queens is a must-visit btw.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link

yeah i gotta make it out there next time i'm in nyc

tylerw, Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link

but seriously, these "metal mother" transfers ... are there more to come? can't get over how alive they sound.

tylerw, Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link

Here’s the word from Nick Dellow, who supplied the transfer of both songs, as posted on YouTube:

There are still metals parts for pre-war Victor, Columbia and OKeh (from 1926) 78 rpm recordings residing within Sony's vaults in New York, though I have no idea exactly how much is left - probably more than one might think. Very occasionally, they are used as the source material for CD reissues, but the results vary! The 1952 date on the Odeon cover is probably the date the metal mother was deleted, as by then Odeon - in line with everyone else - had started to move over to 45 rpm and 33 rpm microgroove. 78s were issued up until the late 1950s in Europe and the USA, depending on the artist and sales levels....and were still being pressed in India in the early 1960s (including The Beatles early EMI singles). Thanks to everyone for their comments about my transfers and restoration work on these metal mothers.

Jazzbo, Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link

I've been living with the columbia hot 5s & 7s for over 20 years now. Never even thought to look for better remasters. Along with the 60s Stones, those are my favorite recordings of all-time.
"metal mothers" do sound great. Can't wait to play them on some nice speakers. I hope there's more to come. After reading this thread, I'm really torn about checking the JSP collection.

nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 14 April 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link

Louis Jordan >>>>>>>> Louis Armstrong

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:05 (eight years ago) link

Man, that's a ranking I can't make, love them both dearly. Add in Prima for the three Louies.

Double Nickels on the Pecunidigm (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:18 (eight years ago) link

Oh man, I want this Bear Family Louis Prima box really badly.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:24 (eight years ago) link

I've been living with the columbia hot 5s & 7s for over 20 years now. Never even thought to look for better remasters.
Columbia did finally get its act together and released a decent-sounding set at one point. Depends on what release you own. I would suggest checking out the JSPs anyway.

Jazzbo, Friday, 15 April 2016 10:53 (eight years ago) link

This might be helpful.
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/louis-armstrong-hot-fives-and-sevens-the-best-one.47579/

Jazzbo, Friday, 15 April 2016 10:57 (eight years ago) link

yes, thanks for that. I have a couple JSP boxes that I was very happy with. I have a 20s New Orleans various, and I have the '26-'29 Ellington.
Now that I've checked out their catalogue, I think I would like 15-20 more. At that price I can't go wrong checking it out. I can always sell the version I like least.

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 15 April 2016 14:34 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

via JCLC

Thanks to a $2.7 million grant from Robert F. Smith’s Fund II Foundation, The Louis Armstrong House Museum in Queens, NY is digitizing thousands of valuable artifacts of the late jazz legend, including photographs, letters, audio, newspaper clippings, video, personal papers, sheet music and scrapbooks. Soon, these newly resurfaced artifacts will be available online through the The Louis Armstrong House Museum’s Research Collections. Deluxe Media Recall made the move to digitize the collection to make Armstrong’s living legacy readily available to fans worldwide.

The collection will include a scrapbook compilation of Armstrong’s early days in New York, hundreds of hours of never-before-heard concert recordings, spoken word tapes, video concert footage and photographs of the trumpeter in his Queens home.

http://www.offbeat.com/news/louis-armstrong-house-museum/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link

The JSP 1930-32 big band set is also great. I actually prefer it to the Hot 5s and 7s.

o. nate, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

So the NY Times article on this mentions reel-to-reel mixtapes Armstrong loved to make, jumping from opera to his Hot Fives shellac to Charlie Parker to the Beatles, sometimes injected with his commentary. Are those up there? 'Cause man would I like to hear them.

saddest kamancheh (bendy), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link

I haven't dug in yet but the article sure made it sound like they digitized everything

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 22:49 (five years ago) link

five months pass...
one year passes...

every single move here is mad genius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUcQESVYlec

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link


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