this is the thread where you post the name of one musician whom you don't have a problem with or possibly even like but whom you'd still like to erase from history due to the effect they have had on

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mike patton.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 06:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Ian McKaye

― Brock K. (Brock K.), Saturday, 15 March 2003 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Slint, obviously.

and Weezer

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 15 March 2003 07:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Led Zeppelin - major cause of hair bands.

The Monkees - major cause of manufactured boy bands.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 15 March 2003 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

bob wratten

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 15 March 2003 07:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Nirvana/Kurt Cobain, for robbing the 90s of any optimism whatsoever and reducing anything even vaguely cheerful post-95 to 'ironic' or 'trite'

― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 15 March 2003 07:10 (twenty-three years ago)

fishbone.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 15 March 2003 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

(sorry Nickalicious!)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 15 March 2003 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Paul Weller

― dave q, Saturday, 15 March 2003 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

jess & roger otm

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 March 2003 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)

We've done this before...

My answer then was Abba, I think. My answer now, curiously enough, is the Stooges. Bands I love like Spacemen 3 and Primal Scream, would probably exist without them. Bands like the Strokes and the Libertines, thankfully, would not.

― kate (dali), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Diana Ross. Whitney Houston. Mariah Carey. Aretha Franklin and the rest of the shrill diva mob. A pox on all of them.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Sexist fuxor. I'll have yer hide before you delete Diana Ross or the Supremes from my consciousness.

― kate (t), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Stephen Malkamus / Pavement.

― Mil, Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Why would we need Diana Ross when we have Martha and the Vandellas?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Come and get it, Kate. Diana Ross should be vaporized not only for her own crimes, but for the countless crimes committed by those who follow in the wake of her tsunami of narcissism.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

The Supremes may have had great choons, but Diana herself is about as humble as Benito Mussolini. Besides, her Diva's live special was an atrocity against taste and eardrums.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, you are GOING TO HELL. (Or at least "your pretty face is"). And Strokes > Diana Ross. M-wah-ha-ha-ha-etc.

My choice? Sunny Day Real Estate. I can not tell you how many horrible emo band demos have assaulted my tympanic membranes with the musical equivalent of half-eaten globs of Gerber baby food while name-dropping them in their liner notes/press kit. Even if "In Circles" is a decent song.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

The Beatles: there was nothing wrong with pop music in the early 1960s that they all had to save us from...except that it was maybe too black for American tastemakers. So all of a sudden here come four (?) cute white guys who write [some of] their own songs! Oh, let's all just shit ourselves, America! Grrr. Without them, we would have avoided many many many bad ripoffs. On the other hand, I don't hate 'em or anything.

I would put the Beach Boys in the same category. Chuck Berry imitator/hermit B.Wilson gets a studio and dooms much of what's to follow. I think their surf music is cute, and the Wilson/Spector battle was perhaps fruitful...but really, did we need all that came afterwards?

Second place: the Rolling Stones. Good singles band until they started trying to be the Bad-boy Beatles and/or the Beelzebub Beach Boys.

I love this thread...except that it seems like we're all ganging up on poor nickalicious. (Jody Beth, was Fishbone really influential at all? And hey, "Lyin' Ass Bitch" is a great song, as is the cowboy song on the Tapeheads soundtrack.) Especially when I mention Frank Zappa...nah, I'll forbear. But if you take away his Zappa/Fishbone/Mike Patton obsessions, nick and I have perfect tastes.

Which reminds me of a new thread.

― Neudonym, Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike Patton is reportedly an influence on Switchblade Symphony's drag queenish singer, Tina Root!

― Fivvy (Fivvy), Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Second place: the Rolling Stones. Good singles band until they started trying to be the Bad-boy Beatles and/or the Beelzebub Beach Boys.

That's irrelevant (and probably debatable; if I am ever dragged from my platform of "1968-1972 Stones = best rock band output possibly ever" then it will be kicking and screaming). What IS relevant is the extremely important point (see the thread title) that almost NOBODY who was directly influenced by the Stones -- at least outside of the Nuggets/garage movement, and they could've tried sounding like the Kinks or the Animals instead -- is really all that notable. Basically you're left with Aerosmith and the Black Crowes. Ew.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, fuck it. I know jess started this thread and this will be a huge slap in his face, but:

Notorious B.I.G. His biters are either completely irredemable or talented yet so obsessed with his persona/subject matter that they grind it into the ground.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree to have that rockist debate about los Stones some other time, Mr. Patrin. But you're right that my random slagging had nothing to do with thread. But you're wrong to say that Aerosmith = ew.

I'm adding Tupac. I don't get Biggie, exactly, but I think the legacy of Tupac is worse: not the boring traxx he made when alive, or released after getting *heroically martyred*, but all the even-worse imitators.

And it coulda been Bone Thugs, but groups stopped imitating them. Remember that Chicago "cowboy-rap" group? Talk about Ew.

― Neudonym, Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

oh and I forgot that I really like Elephant 6 crews OTC and Circ System, so maybe Beatles and Beach Boys are okay a little

nah

― Neudonym, Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, to clarify:

Aerosmith 1973-1977ish: pretty damn good singles band
Aerosmith 1985-present: MY EARS! THE COTTON DOES NOTHING

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

The Beatles and The Beach Boys? Jeez, dude. I respect your opinion and all, but damn.

― William R Henderson (Cabin Essence), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

the doors - esp. morrisson's "singing" style

― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Also:

PEARL JAM
PEARL JAM
PEARL JAM

(though saying I "don't have a problem with them" might be generous)

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

'Basically you're left with Aerosmith and the Black Crowes'

I thought y'all loved Supergrass

― dave q, Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I know Roger got there first, but Slint Slint Slint Slint Slint Slint Slint Slint!!!!!

Also, the Chili Peppers. And all the bands who appear in the first Decline. And Joni Mitchell.

― Arthur (Arthur), Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't do it, it's hard! Nirvana has their Local H, Kraftwerk and Bowie have their New Wave, Korn has their Bizkit. Usually one band took a middling band's influence and GOT IT RIGHT.

fuck it, I'll say the Beatles should have been run off a cliff after Rubber Soul, DEFINITELY after Revolver.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Korn has their Bizkit

Ne'er truer words spoken.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

The Beatles and The Beach Boys
No I think the real ones to blame are Big Star

― brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

definitely slint.
also, Pavement and it parts.
Minor Threat.
Green River.

― jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

bob dylan damn

― alice, Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Alice in Chains.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I always thought Supergrass were going for more of an Electric Warriors/Obscured By Clouds thing going, but yeah, I guess the Stones are sort of in there too.

Kraftwerk and Bowie "fair to middling"? You're off my Chanukah list. (PS: Good Charlotte still reek)

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:50 (twenty-three years ago)

The Beatles, The Beatles and The Beatles. Not necessarily in that order.

― Dadaismus, Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I love Stevie Wonder, but I can't see as where his "followers" really understood where he was coming from. After Hotter Than July, that applies to him too.

― Neudonym, Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I change my answer - I DO have a problem with the Beatles

― Dadaismus, Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

can i ask jess here if he completely disagrees with nate's choice?
(on second thought, if that's gonna turn this into one of "those" threads, then maybe i shouldn't. but i'm gonna.)

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 15 March 2003 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

no, i agree that big was a fairly bad "influence" on hiphop, but tupac was the worse artist, by leagues

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

The Beatles, absolutely. It's such an obvious answer but they're the ones, those fuckers. Big Star? People who're imitating Big Star are really imitating what they think the Beatles might've been like anyway, I think. Plus the people who are to blame for the Big Star thing ( I like those records, but after all they add up to, what, about two hours, tops, of music? ) are all those writers who inflated it into the myth it is today. Max Bell and those guys.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Saturday, 15 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

What crimes are Big Star guilty of, though, really? Most of the above mentioned have undoubtedly spawned many monsters, but Big Star? Does Teenage Fanclub really offend you THAT much? I say more Rickenbackers. More!!

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 15 March 2003 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, I love the Stooges more than anyone. But their FANS have been responsible for some of the worst musical atrocities of recent memory. I would rather listen to Diana Ross for 24 hours straight than have to listen to another minute of the sort of sub-Stooges "We LURVE punke roque" crap that's been so fashionable round these parts lately.

― kate (suzy), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

But their FANS have been responsible for some of the worst musical atrocities of recent memory.

Don't you DARE talk shit about Dakar and Grinser.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)

(actually I think my "witty" "comeback" should have invoked this instead, plus Is This It >>>>>>>x100 Evil Heat)

('scuse me, I'm being a schlong here)

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

As I said in my original post, Primal Scream would still exist without the Stooges. I doubt that the Strokes would.

― kate (suzy), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Curtis is so so so RIGHT about Alice In Chains - Helltime and I were just talking abt the horrendous effects of Layne Staley's vocal style the other day.

― Millar (Millar), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Robert Johnson and Kid606

― Nik (Nik), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Strokes minus Stooges still equals Strokes, I think; Albert Hammond Jr. ain't no Ron Asheton, for starters. They're way too pop-sounding to even come within a hairsbreadth of damn near anything Iggy-related except stray bits of Lust For Life. They're not post-psych enough, not angry enough, not fucked-up-on-pharmaceuticals enough, not abrasive enough. I'm a total dork for the Stooges (and the VU, 'specially Loaded) but the first time I heard "Last Nite" on college radio my first thought was "yay, mod's coming back! Time to dig out the army parka!" Post-hype, though, I'm also thinking they're a Y-chromosome ca.-'77 Blondie, which makes me GEEKED to imagine them stumbling into the whole disco thing and crank out a small handful of "Heart of Glass"es and "Atomic"s. Then in a couple decades Julian can do voiceovers for Grand Theft Auto 12.

Plus Iggy's got a big dong. Julian, on the other hand, has a big ass.* There is a marked difference there.

*at least according to you, who I hereby (sans malice) dub Madam Mix-A-Lot

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

(trouble is, No Doubt's already staking the modern-day Blondie turf out just fine. So I guess I'll have to settle for the "Strokes=Jam" Nate Patrin Party Line again.)

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Nate, why not the Strokes=The Knack?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 15 March 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Because I'm not a bitter, seen-it-all cynic (except when it comes to rock journalism)

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 15 March 2003 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd like to say the Doors, seeing as how they are my least favorite band ever and all, but they did lead to a few things I like - early Stooges Joy Division, Echo and the Bunnymen. I'd have to say the Velvet Underground, just because they pretty much invented indie.

Alex, how can you class Aretha Franklin with Mariah and Whitney (or Diana R for that matter)??

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 15 March 2003 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd like to say the Doors, seeing as how they are my least favorite band ever and all, but they did lead to a few things I like - early Stooges Joy Division, Echo and the Bunnymen.

In other words, the exact opposite of this thread. Which gives me an idea.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Can-
can't find a thing they did I like.

― big dirty bastard, Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

"this is the thread where you post the name of one musician whom you don't have a problem with or possibly even like"

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)

slint and steve albini. i'm more amenable to eliminating FZ than some might think (i.e., to the extent that Zappa is responsible for the likes of They Might Be Giants and Barenaked Ladies). the cocteau twins (without whom we'd have no Sigur Ros, which would be a good thing). and radiohead (buh-bye, Travis and Clodplay!)

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

ELVIS

― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

but only for the white suits...

― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:25 (twenty-three years ago)

beastie boys

― Peter M, Monday, 17 March 2003 01:23 (twenty-three years ago)

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