rfd: ryoji ikeda - matrix

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it's been out for a good while with no comment at all here. i'm impressed at how ri has managed to expand the ideas he was working on on +/-. while the "drift study"-like properties of the first disc are staggering, developed far beyond what was suggested in tracks 7-10 of +/-, i don't find it as interesting to listen to with any frequency unless i am moving around (cleaning or something) while it is on because it is so static. the second disc is fantastic, however. the ideas in "headphonics" are developed into a whole cd of engrossing minimal rhythms.

feel free to discuss other ikeda or minimalist electronic music in general if you like. if you would prefer to discuss 80s metal, hang on until i post a krokus: c or d. or until someone else does who hasn't used up his question for today.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I absolutely adore bernard gunter!

Kodanshi, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This thread looks lonely. I don't have matrix, and probably won't for while b/c it seems like I'll be digesting +/- for a long time. How does this compare to that?

I will say so that his track on Mille Plateaux's Modulation and Transformation 4 "Interference 003" is one of the most amazing pieces in terms of pure sound that I've heard. Just a gradually shifting sine wave moving slowly from one tone to the next, but it's mezmerizing, esp. if you move your head in and out of your rooms "dead spots" when listening. Something along the lines of Maryanne Amacher's "third ear music" but not as dramatic.

Mark, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

well, i mentioned that he's expanded on the ideas in +/-. it's like "headphonics" has been developed into one entire cd and tracks 7-10 of "+/-" have been developed into another. the first cd of matrix would be the latter. (god, what a terrible sentence. disc 1 of matrix is the one that expands on tracks 7-10 of "+/-.") the drift properties -- that is, its ability to make you hear different things when you shift position relative to the speakers -- are much more pronounced. they are, in fact, incredible. the tones are much more resonant. at the same time, on a "horizontal" level, the piece moves much more slowly. he dwells on one cluster of resonant tones for a longer time. this makes it somewhat less interesting to listen to if you're not moving around. at least that's my impression so far.

the second disc of matrix is more like something developed out of the ideas in "headphonics." and it's great. those tiny details of sound are built into absorbing rhythms that crackle and flow excellently. i would almost say that it has something of a pop sensibility in a good way.

is that mille plateaux disc a compilation? and who, a la pinefox, are maryanne amacher and bernard gunter?

sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Keep meaning to reply to this thread properly re. my accidental encounter w/Matrix.

Bernhard Gunter is a composer - he makes very very very quiet music (there are both proper and frivolous generic names for it which I forget) which you need to oncentrate on absolutely to get anything out of - the concentration itself being, essentially, what you 'get out of it'. It's quite an experience - however I've never moved from the two or so tracks I've got on compilations to buying a CD. He runs the Trente Oiseaux label which releases similar stuff.

Tom, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Think I first heard Gunter's music in Tom's company - or rather DIDN'T hear it, because of the surrounding shop noise. My immediate knee-jerk response was "who is this joker?" Since then I've become something of a convert - his first alb, 'un peu de neige salie', prob. one of my all-time favourite discs. Gunter's a devout disciple of Morton Feldman, taking the latter's silences and 'slow gestures' to their 'logical' extreme. Once you've grown accustomed to the long streches of nothingness, your ears become attuned to the smallest, most microscopic details - and the few discernible sounds become almost inexplicably moving. You also start to 'hear' the noise of your environment much more clearly because of the way it intrudes into the music - notions of foreground and background collapse. Saying all this, Gunter may be something of a one-trick pony - his recent works are slightly more perceptible - but what a great bloody trick!

Maryanne Amacher is an installation/sound artist who records 'found' sounds - the 'noise' of empty rooms and motorway underpasses - and then treats them electronically. Apparently her work is best heard played back at head-crushing volume - much of it is designed to create weird acoustic effects that reverberate in the skull - but she has a comp cd out on Tzadik (can't remember the title, sorry Sundar) that has Merzbow-esque passages of buzzing white noise. Alan Licht calls her 'Noisy Spice'.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'll feel free and mention the only artist I really love in this field: Sachiko M. Never gets mentioned here. The Wire called her 'sampleuse' which I thought was pretty clever. Anyway she only uses a sampler with empty memory (if I remember correctly) to make some of the most beautiful music I've heard (most of it sounds like that effect Mark describes). Very gentle. I saw her play live once on a bill with Ikeda and she blew him away Pixies vs MBV style. Only have been able to find one cd "Un" which is collaboration with Toshimaru Nakamura.

Omar, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Quick word on Amacher - Tzadik CD is called "Sound Characters". A mix of vast dronescapes (which probably lose something in the translation from multi-speaker installation in huge building to 2-channel mix) and 'ear-dances'. The latter should be played through speakers (not headphones - the interaction with the environment is important) very loud and, yep, it really does feel as if the noise is being generated by yr own ears. Recommended.

Another other Tzadik releases worth checking out?

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sundar -- yes Modulation and Transformation 4 is an EXCELLENT 3-CD Mille Plateaux comp. Incredible variety on that thing, a personal watershed in terms of my electronic music listening. Has nothing in common w/ the ideas behind the Clicks + Cuts comps (the newest of which I like very much.) Many different kinds of sounds.

Maryanne Amacher has been described well above. If you have a good stereo and you're into extreme sound, her CD is excllent. Needs to be VERY loud, and in a room for it to work properly. I feel like I've only heard it the proper way once (though I can enjoy it any time, it's still good). Some friends threw a birthday party in a large SF warehouse and I rented the sound system. I overdid it with the size and power of the set-up; it was these fridge-sized speakers and something like an 850 watt/channel amp. The next day cleaning up I brought the Amacher CD and put the system through its paces.

At high volume that "third ear" business totally freaked me out. As stated above, it feels like these minimal sine wave tones, which are arranged in a repeating pattern a la Reich, are actually originating inside your skull and pouring out through your ears. She does it with phase cancellations or something.

This thread makes me wish this kind of thing was discussed on ILM more; now want to check out Sachiko M.

Mark, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i was actually just listening to disc 1 of matrix today and it spun me into orbits. i remembered why i liked it so much when i got it. i must have just not been in the mood last time. it starts with this growing drone that shifts into pulses that move into twisting stereo patterns. then this cavernous bass comes in. the frequencies are extremely well chosen. the ending is incredible. i have a feeling this will be my album of the year.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 5 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

good link for Sachiko M.

http://www.japanimprov.com/sachikom/index.html

Has discography and The Wire article by Clive Bell. A loads of other stuff/artists

Hoahio (one of her sideprojects) fascinates me but I fear it is quite unfindable.

Omar, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Well, it's been a year and a half since anybody wrote anything. I might as well drop a name in and bugger off for awhile.

Folke Rabe - What? cd (Dexter's Cigar)

If, after listening to the above CD, your eyeballs haven't rolled up into your skull in search of your crown chakra I don't know what..
how the hell do I finish this sentence? It's preposterous. Who would want to do that with their eyeballs, anyway? Nevertheless, "What?" is the best album I ever heard that has only one note in it.

In any case, I hear ya out there with yer Bernard Gunters and yer Maryanne Amachers. Great stuff, indeed. I've yet to meet a girl who likes it, though. It's difficult to find someone who'll neck to interesting music, damn it! I have a friend who swears he'll go insane if he has to fuck to the Lilith Fair sountrack one more time, although I wouldn't go so far as that. Priorities, is what I'm saying. Still, in the dream world, sexy girls would dig nerds like me who own nine thousand dollars worth of unlistenable music.

Well, this is the end of the line for me. For those of you who don't already know about it, check out the Aquarius Records website. They've got seemingly bottomless reviews of all that is new and interesting in music, ranging from crazy Japanese noise, to Scandanavian death metal, to elephants playing instruments to recordings of ghosts. I'm not fucking kidding.

There are actually two Aquarius Records sites. One of them is not the right one, but it'll be up to you to figure it out.

That is what I have to say.

kelly radcliffe, Saturday, 30 November 2002 06:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Still, in the dream world, sexy girls would dig nerds like me who own nine thousand dollars worth of unlistenable music.

My new motto.

original bgm, Saturday, 30 November 2002 09:10 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
so there is a new ryoji ikeda out, anyone heard it?

zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 10:24 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't it supposed to be an orchestra thing or something? i want to hear..

Honda (Honda), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)

His side project with carsten Nicolai(alva.noto) as Cyclo is also high recommendable..

Vangelis, Friday, 24 January 2003 00:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, it's out. I found two sound clips on Aquarius Records:

One
Two

original bgm, Friday, 24 January 2003 02:14 (twenty-three years ago)

it's called 'op' and it's a real departure from the previous stuff... I was expecting the same approach as the previous records, only using minimal recordings of the string instruments to produce the beating/differentials. but no, it's a quietly shifting, quiet, sort of chilling collection of shifting chords that build and drop in intensity. reminded me of quiet, longform drifty takemitsu even. austere, emotional. liked it a lot.

maryanne amacher, two of the best concerts I've seen in my life. especially when she starts dancing like a little ghost to the arpeggios. you can try to describe the 'third ear' effect but until you've actually had it happen to you...

jl, Friday, 24 January 2003 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
I just picked up a DVD release that contains the "prototype" of the concert that was given at The Garden Hall Yebisu in Tokyo on October 14, 2001...

Eeeyow. This is pretty much the stark electronic visual equivalent of a sinus disinfectant, and that's meant as a compliment.

The DVD also contains about 8 audio only tracks of various Ikeda installations from Rotterdam to London to Tokyo to Milano to Utrecht to Frankfurt.. it begins the DVD, and it really made me think something was wrong with the DVD as there were no images to go with the extremely minimal noisy sounds, but there's a little footnote (and i stress "little") in the liner notes stating that was intentional. Essentially black screens for a large number of minutes with occasional blasts of frequency and static. Some form of digital nightmare fuel.

Wow.

I'm really happy I got this DVD, but more in the sense that I now have a WEAPON instead of a highly re-watchable entertaining multimedia experience like Dave Chapelle Season 2 or something, even this Ryoji Ikeda DVD is entertaining to me as well. Does that make sense?

donut e-g (donut), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 07:24 (twenty years ago)

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donut e-g (donut), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)

(how fitting that i'm due for a filling and a deep cleaning in about, oh, 7 hours. over two hours of high frequency drilling sounds while my mouth is shot in all four corners full of novacaine. This DVD made a very fitting prequel to this.)

donut e-g (donut), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

I was at that Eyebeam performance in NYC back in November. Great stuff. Very different from the CDs; a lot of the sound was synchronized to video, so for example there were shots of pages turning in a book and the sound of the paper was hugely amplified so it was like someone ripping your scalp off your skull. Lots of piercing sine waves and bright flashing white lights, of course, too - can't disappoint the diehards. There were a couple of little kids sitting right behind my wife and me, and a few of the more abrupt transitions and sudden very loud sounds made them jump and squeak.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Man, I hope Ikeda plans future performances.. very jealous/happy you got to see that show. I'm into digital terror in its purest innocent form i.e. minus any pop culture aspects of "horror"

donut e-g (donut), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
his remix of David Sylvian's "The Only Daughter" is altogether a different kind of minimalism, an acoustic (sounding , at least) piano string and flute piece, more akin to Morton Feldman than to anything else i have heard by him. very like Fedman, in fact - it could be a homage. i think the strings may be sampled but i'm not sure. anyway, i love it, it's one of the finest tracks of the year. i'd love it even more if it didn't have David Sylvian on it.

when did he start doing stuff like this and is there anything else by him in this vein?

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

I largely concur -- but absent David Sylvian, that track would be utterly lost amidst the oceans of Second Viennese music out there...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

I don't know that piece but have you heard Op, jed? It's a disc of compositions by Ikeda for acoustic string ensembles. It's also somewhat reminiscent of Feldman in the sparse, quiet, slowly changing sustained resonances. It's pleasant and meditative, gentler than most of his electronic music. (It doesn't make me think at all of Second Viennese music.)

Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

i'll check that out, thanks. will also yousendit the track later if you want to hear it? Matthew, i think you may be right about the absence of Sylvian. i don't know what second viennese music is, though.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

Only managed to give it one proper listen but "Dataplex" seems very fine indeed. Anything to add? I'm new to this guy's work.

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 1 January 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

i don't know what second viennese music is, though.

Serial music a la Schoenberg, Webern and Berg. Based on the few things I've heard in addition to Matrix, I'd really like to hear him doing less conceptual pieces and more trad musical stuff...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 2 January 2006 00:44 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
dataplex is amazing. i love the way the murky strings accompany the super-digital percussion and high-end clicks and hisses through the second half. i think i am most impressed with how the album works as a self-contained narrative composition though.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Sunday, 26 February 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

like you wouldn't expect something that is so hermetically sealed to flow so naturally.

breakfast pants (disco stu), Sunday, 26 February 2006 01:44 (twenty years ago)

"I'd really like to hear him doing less conceptual pieces"

too late!

he's playing in london on the 20th march: http://www.forma.org.uk/current_productions/currenprod_c4i.html

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 27 February 2006 13:50 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
Ikeda is watching us all. Experienced his multidiscipline piece (you call it music if you want I think it's coming/going somewhere else) last night at the Barbican. I think it'd be fair to say they everybody left that place a little spaced out. It truly was a mind/body fuck of epic proportions.

This truly was the event of the year. My friend even had her purse returned the following day after losing it WITH the twenty quid still inside! This does not happen in the 'real' world.

tolstoy (tolstoy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

dataplex is amazing

for all the people I would have initially taken for one trick ponies, Ikeda's proving me wrong, taking it further

Op is perhaps too austere / minimal to make it through as an entire album, though listening to any of the individual pieces on the disc one at a time then stopping -- great

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Dataplex shouldn't really work, but it does, and it works more as a unified 50 min piece than as a sequence of ultraminimal datatechno. Employing a larger structure clearly creates a viable strategy to circumvent the tiredness of beat driven electronica's slavery to song-length tracks. Also the 15 minutes of pure texture/data at the start is bearable mainly cos you know it is going to progress...

gekkkopel, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Ikeda's genius will never be appreciated in our lifetime.

banana squad (dayvidday), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:38 (twenty years ago)

Ikeda's genius will never be fully appreciated in our lifetime.

banana squad (dayvidday), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
I'm thinking 'Dataplex' is the most amazing thing I have heard in my whole damn life.

baaderonixx, Sunday, 13 May 2007 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

so no-one cares about this guy around here?

spiny doughboy (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 10:54 (sixteen years ago)

Got 'Test Pattern' last year, it's pretty good. It also comes with a warning stating that "high volume listening of the last track may cause damage to equipment and eardrums". It's annoying to have to program the CD player to skip the 16th track, so it doesn't get much play. I thought about making a copy of the album minus the last track, but never bothered.

no-nonsense, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 14:10 (sixteen years ago)

yeah that's why I revived. I missed out on Test Pattern, tho I'm not sure it adds anything to 'Dataplex' (which blew me away). Didn't 'Dataplex' also come with a warning?

spiny doughboy (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 14:15 (sixteen years ago)

xpost: I was always curious about that (actually, I was thinking about it earlier today, presumable after see this thread title), what's the track consist of? just extremely loud bursts of ultra low/ultra high frequencies noise?

I Often forget I saw this dude performing live with Carsten Nicolai this summer, which I guess is big since I never thought I'd ever get the chance to see RI in real life.

EDB, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 23:41 (sixteen years ago)

Gave it a curious listen at low volume through a pair of crappy headphones and from what I recall it sounded similar to the rest of the album, but sped up. Very quick quiet-loud transitions.

The concept of the album being how different kinds of computer data sound when converted into audio waveforms, I guess the file he used for the last track must've had a lot of mixed 0x00s and 0xFFs.

no-nonsense, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 08:24 (sixteen years ago)

Is _Test Pattern_ similar to Dataplex? Dataplex was great, yes, probably his best work. Everything came together really well on that one.

Sundar, Saturday, 12 September 2009 03:09 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

any opinions on the new Cyclo. album? i get the impression my speakers don't really do it justice

Snámh dá Én (missingNO), Friday, 6 May 2011 12:26 (fifteen years ago)

This record is not mastered in order to keep the original Lissajous figures and locus of cycloid movement.
To observe, please play on an xy phase scope. Any data compression such as mp3 will distort this visualization.

¯\(º o)/¯

Snámh dá Én (missingNO), Friday, 6 May 2011 12:29 (fifteen years ago)

how he doesn't pass out while standing in front of that projector is beyond me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXAevrYhicI

Brakhage, Friday, 6 May 2011 16:31 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

the absolute best. i went last week

jaxon, Monday, 13 June 2011 22:00 (fourteen years ago)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG79ev_4FeM&hd=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WhiteAmericanFolks.jpg (nakhchivan), Monday, 13 June 2011 22:06 (fourteen years ago)

seven months pass...

pro-tip; if you plan to play your iPod on shuffle, leave the Ryoji Ikeda albums out

frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

haha yeah - had quite a few such "surprises" on my morning commute..

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:36 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

listening to disc one of matrix and have a little fan near me. if I twist my head just right it kinda feels like waves of sound are pushing through the fan and generating some kind of weird, propeller-like amplification of the fan noise. crazy!

original bgm, Monday, 9 September 2013 00:11 (twelve years ago)

six years pass...

Dataplex still rules. Playing it to piss off my annoying neighbor right now

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 17 August 2020 17:18 (five years ago)

Yeah, that's my favourite.

magnet of the elk park (Sund4r), Monday, 17 August 2020 17:56 (five years ago)

two years pass...

New one dropped a few weeks ago: ultratronics

ultratronics 01 is an absolute banger, and there's some really interesting classic late 80's/early 90's industrial music injected into the sound palette in the middle of the record, with it tailing out with a more atmospheric and ethereal sound at the end, creating a compelling journey.

Also noticed he dropped two compilations of his installation music the last couple years, one of which I was absolutely blown away by when I saw it at MONA in Tasmania a few years back (pre-pandemic): https://www.ryojiikeda.com/project/supersymmetry/

In any case, dude's still got it. Don't overlook for the EOY polls!

octobeard, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 00:38 (three years ago)

thanks, love his 20' to 2000 thing but haven't heard anything since "op"

sleeve, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 01:03 (three years ago)

I want to buy all those limited edition sets on his website but that shit is expensive.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 28 December 2022 01:11 (three years ago)

two years pass...

love his 20' to 2000 thing but haven't heard anything since "op"

― sleeve, Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:03 PM (two years ago)

this blew my mind all over again today, what a stunning achievement in both concept and execution

sleeve, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 04:26 (one year ago)

(the 20' to 2000 release, to be clear)

sleeve, Wednesday, 4 June 2025 04:26 (one year ago)


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