indierock is shithot right now!

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holy fuck, I just realized how good we got it right now!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 00:56 (twenty-three years ago)

― JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

how so? be more description. provide examples.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I just think the whole scene is a little more juiced-up and purposeful than I can ever remember it being, much more together and fully realized than the grunge era.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Huggy Bear is SOOOO retro...

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go.to/stevek

― steve k (stevek10), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

What bands are thrilling you at the moment?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:03 (twenty-three years ago)

cranebuilders and british sea power

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"be more description" is cute all red up there.

I hesitate to name names because then it will just be another thread where people say "them? they suck!" so I would just like to say that RIGHT NOW! there is a very wide variety of high quality shit that sounds good and has some aesthetic brains behind it, and it finally seems like a wave is lifting after floundering in undertow for years.

anyone else feel it's tug or is it wishful thinking on my part?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

its tug, obv

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:25 (twenty-three years ago)

my unintentional zen statement makes me chuckle. don't just be descriptive, but BE THE DESCRIPTION. Back on the shortbus for me.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i feel a tug but I dont feel that shithot about anyone today. I think its on the horizon though

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the new Deerhoof album. It rocks! And I love that new Aisler Set album as well.

― Scott Seward, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Apple O' is hot, holding on to the ground won by Reveille

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:26 (twenty-three years ago)

unsurprisingly perhaps, i am suspicious. (and i've even been in a rockin mood of late.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:29 (twenty-three years ago)

speaking of SF indie rock: xiu xiu's goth-mo cover of "ceremony" has been a big hit around my universe lately.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:34 (twenty-three years ago)

it's the DISCO ACTION, baby!

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:38 (twenty-three years ago)

although, that lightning bolt album is still my favorite record of the year so far. and all the albs i'm looking forward to are indie rock rekkids. hmmm...

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I dare say Fritz is onto something, though I, too, will not name names as to avoid tainting this thread w/ dunderheaded attacks. Of course, as always, the indie rock is thriving (aesthetically, at least) (and will always be a prime candidate for thriving) because of / in spite of its open-arms it's-all-good policy.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 02:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess, check it out. I'm not a fan or anything, don't know them from nothin'. It just came over my transom, but it's really cool. Short and sweet too. Great drums, weird guitars all over the place. Songs about panda bears. I dunno, I haven't heard anything like it in a while. Do people compare them to erase errata/troubleman stuff/lightning bolt/etc? The difference that I can see is that they are less sloppy and have cool tunes.Great production,too.All live and in yur face.

― Scott Seward, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe sorta kinda. I'll name names: Enon's really great, and they're about as indie rock as you can get, and how long's it been since there was an indie rock record on T & G that was at all exciting? (*awaits storm of Enon-directed abuse*)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:12 (twenty-three years ago)

the last Blonde Redhead LP?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i saw deerhoof live! they played here a few months ago and i was taken out to see them more as a "social activity" as anything else. very good.

scott, if you havent you should pick up this newish 5rc cheapo CD sampler (if the 21st century didn't exist it would necessary to invent it), thee cream of the nu-tweefucker underground.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Its doing better then major labels as long as you keep your expectations below 1994 levels. Its cheap as hell to make cds compared to ten years ago, you can home produce your album (Steinbach, Manitoba's The Pets did a great job of theirs), you can track campus radio for almost free and booking by tours by emails is getting easier everyday. Don't know if the music is any better then it used to be.

Now if only we could get CFNY back to its old standard. Id even put up with the raging anglophilia for that.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I do love that Blonde Redhead album, yes

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:19 (twenty-three years ago)

also I have very high hopes for the Hold Steady

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:19 (twenty-three years ago)

(not that they'll be on T & G, just that they might be a really good indie band)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I will look for that, Jess. I enjoyed that Troubleman Mix-tape a lot. I did get some sense of something exciting happening from it. There was an energy and excitement to the music that I guess I hadn't felt in a while in indie-land. That whole electro/new wave thing did or does nothing for me.I'd much rather listen to the real deal or something like DMX Crew from 5 years back or whenever. The high water marks for me and that stuff was probably the Faint's live version of Enola Gay which they performed impeccably and that joke album that those emo dudes put out: reggie and the full effect. That was funny!

― Scott Seward, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:31 (twenty-three years ago)

What is Hold Steady?

― Scott Seward, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)

the Hold Steady is Craig from Lifter Puller's new band

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the new Deerhoof, and I haven't even heard it. Hopefully it will be great.

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Aha. Thanks John. Lifter Puller is apparently chuck eddy's and frank kogan's new favorite band. I enjoy the wordplay. The songs are definitely epic. I should say that I have only heard the soft rock double thing. Not my favorite band though. I don't know why chuck has to keep saying how much better than Pavement they are.I guess I don't think of them in the same way. Chuck is more a fan of story-songs than I am. I have no problem with Pavement songs meaning nothing.
I feel I should clarify: I have no problem with the electro/new wave elements in dance music. they are always welcome there.I have a life-long love for robots that dance.

― Scott Seward, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:40 (twenty-three years ago)

the Hold Steady is Craig from Lifter Puller's new band

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:44 (twenty-three years ago)

nate do you have AIM?

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:54 (twenty-three years ago)

So if you were gonna create a timeline would the birth of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs signal the death of the modest mouse/smog era of indie? can someone come up with a better example of the new breed giving the heave ho to yesterday's english major pin-ups?

― Scott Seward, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:55 (twenty-three years ago)

The reason Chuck has to say that about Lifter Puller bein' better than Pavement is because Lifter Puller really was the best band of the last freakin' fifteen years, no competition from anywhere in my opinion. The album Fiestas & Fiascos just completely kills me, I mean KILLS ME EVERY TIME. Once you get hard into LP, it's semi-religious, for realz

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:56 (twenty-three years ago)

no hatin' on the English majors please

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 03:57 (twenty-three years ago)

PEDANT ALERT: xiu xiu is actually from san jose ;-\

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Just checked out the thread, and I have to agree with John about Enon. The band's 2002 release was one of my favourite albums of the year, and I'm excited that Enon is keeping busy in 2003.
I've downloaded a couple of Lifter Puller tracks, but the local record store can't get in the actual albums. I'm thinking about mail order.
As far as recent indie albums I've dug — Crooked Fingers and Calexico were both stunning, and I'm waiting impatiently to hear the new Yo La Tengo.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 04:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I admire your passion for the Puller.I had never heard them until last year and never even heard OF them with the exception of possibly seeing their name in the live section of a philly free paper whenever they came to town with all the other indie bands that I am unaware of. But that's why we share here. I will pick that album up on your say so even though that dude's voice gets on my nerves a little in a take the skinheads bowling kinda way. I am nothing if not open-minded.And no hate for english majors. Someone has to buy Lifter Puller records. Last fifteen years...hmmm...I would have to say Katatonia and Denim and Divine Styler even though he is not a band. But then I'm a freak.

― Scott Seward, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Since we're discussing LFTR PLLR - whatever happened / what is happening w/ the post-Puller, pre-Steady band / project Craig Finn was involved w/ ... the Broker Dealer? Last I checked their website (http://www.brokerdealer.com), there was somethin' aboot some EPs and a compilation via CD, but this was dated early 2002...? The MP3s on the site are great, BTW.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 04:45 (twenty-three years ago)

What is CFNY - Crosby, Ftills, Nash and Young?

― tom (other), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 04:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I was excited to see enthusiasm for indie rock here, but alas, it looks like the ostensible picks of the indie rock litter are scampering in the direction of the sort of indie rock I've often liked but never really loved. (Now I return to silently fantasizing about English-major pinups with drum machines, like the theoretically world-changing My Favorite masterpiece I dreamed the made the other night.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 05:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay Denim. I'm really looking forward to ANY new Lawrence record.

― Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 06:24 (twenty-three years ago)

So who the hell are/were Lifter Puller anyway? These days when I see their name I just think "Fischerspooner" since the emphasis is the same when you say their names.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 06:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Lifter Puller were from Minneapolis, wrote the most insanely detailed story-songs evah (I mean Biggie-like here), rocked like a house on fire, and broke up after getting off tour for the record that should have made them household names. Their frontman, Craig Finn, briefly did a techno-ish thing called the Brokerdealer (not to be confused with Broker/Dealer on Triple R's Friends mix) that is not rated highly by those who have heard it. (NB I am not one of those people.) His new band is called the Hold Steady, which also features Tad Kuebler of LP on bass, they are playing this Thursday at Pianos in NYC (Tad and Craig both live in Brooklyn now), and I am seeing them and so are a few other ILxors I asked to come out w/me. Also, Les Savy Fav, who are also genius and whose bassist Syd Butler owns Frenchkiss Records, which issued both Fiestas + Fiascos, which is the best nightlife album EVER, and the everything-else comp Soft Rock, are playing that evening in Brooklyn at Northsix, and I'll probably be heading over there for that as well. (The Hold Steady go on at 7:30.)

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 06:56 (twenty-three years ago)

obv this is a mass invite to anyone who wants to meet up for the show on Thurs nite.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 06:57 (twenty-three years ago)

(also, Ned: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0240/matos.php)

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 06:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Lifter Puller = big minneapolis band? just had a career retrospective released that did quite well? or am i wrong

CFNY = toronto alt.rock radio station that used to be cool, once upon a time

Indie Rock = i'm not feeling it anymore, but i don't want to hate all over everybody's fun, so i'll keep my gob shut.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

oh no cross posting oh no!

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Until I'm given a huge contract every indie band in the world can eat my fuc

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

will A3 be big enough? or A2?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 10:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not sure if they are indie rock but they sound indie rock. What's about Calla? Their last album Televise is absolutely gorgeous. Like a mixture of Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo and Pavement without the abrasive edges of those bands.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I like it lots more than I did last year but a little still goes a very long way.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

this summer i will celebrate the urban pastoral.

― gabriel (gabe), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 12:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Like a mixture of Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo and Pavement without the abrasive edges of those bands.

see that's exactly what i didn't like about that calla record -- no rough edges, nothing to grasp onto or chew on.

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*strokes beard*

WTF?!

(though i've heard a track from the lighting bolt record and that was nice).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 14:09 (twenty-three years ago)

geeta i need to fix you up with the first calla rekkid, which you will luv, i guarantee. it's almost ALL rough edges and it's gorgeous.

as for thursday, i'm conflicted matos: i'm gonna go see the hold steady, but i didn't know about the les savy fav (who i love) show. i had planned to return to pianos at midnight for a second show -- the good time women. they sound exactly like the stones, which for me = great. (i actually had a dream i was at the gtw show and they invited me on stage and i sang "sweet virginia" with them. i have dreams like this a lot)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

that last Enon album never quite grabbed me like the first, and i still haven't placed exactly why. 'Believo!' sounded like 5 different bands, all wonderful, whereas 'High Society' sounded more like only 3, of which I only really got into one. if that makes any sense. so i'm feeling a little reserved about whether to anticipate their future. are any of their singles/nonLP stuff particularly must-hear?

my taste/interest in the indie realm these days is leaning towards guys who are basically doing straightforward singer-songwriter and/or powerpop stuff (Chris Lee, Brendan Benson, Ted Leo, Ken Stringfellow, etc.). which i guess means people who are skilled/trad enough that they could be major label fodder if what they were doing wasn't for the most part pretty unfashionable.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

are any of their singles/nonLP stuff particularly must-hear?

"NIGHTMARE OF ATOMIC MEN" !!

― Adam A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never heard of a single one of these bands.

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

don't worry, they don't exist

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

You guys make it sound so exciting. Who are Lightning Bolt, I keep hearing about them? Frank K said an oxes fan would like Lifter Puller, they're the band whose lyrics spill out onto the singer's clothes making a mess of them, right?

The Clearlake rekkid is exceptional.

I'm not sure if I share Tracer's enthusiasm, but I want to.

Enon: like it.

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)

don't worry, they don't exist
Still Don't like them, Not Rhythmic enough. But the Meatl's could still kick their non-existant asses.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't see where Oxes and Lifter Puller would intersect. More like, if you dug Archers of Loaf then you would like Lifter Puller.

Oxes - '80s nostalgia + fun = Lightning Bolt would be more appropriate.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

ommfg--the Hold Steady are GRATE.

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 21 March 2003 07:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Matos do tell, I miss LP bad...

― g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 21 March 2003 07:08 (twenty-three years ago)

i need to hear more LP - should i get the Soft Rock comp or the stuff that isn't on it?
p.s. i didn't like that interpol record when it came out, but now i love it. chalk one up for indie rock.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 21 March 2003 07:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Soft Rock is grate, but Fiestas + Fiascos is one of the best albums of the '00s.

the Hold Steady sound a lot like LP, surprise surprise; Craig Finn still sings/writes, has the same spazzy/rocking/cool stage presence/moves, same touch w/the lyrics, though w/this band there's more pauses between verses and whatnot, more tension building up within the music. it's not as busy overall as LP, or quite as poppy. Tad Kuebler moved over to lead guitar from bass, and he plays w/the effects a lot more than Steve did. there are no keyboards. the sound is a bit heavier than LP's--imagine them less new wave-y and more AC/DC-ish, which isn't to say they sound like AC/DC all that much. the rhythm section is terrific, though I don't know their names yet; bassist is a bit more...don't wanna say "showoffy" because he's not really a showoff, but instead of Tad's rock-steady b-lines he plays around a bit more, and it works nicely. the drummer doesn't groove the way Dan Monick did, there's less body-moving blocky constant motion and more in-out tension-release; he also has a defter touch with the cymbals, uses the center of the ride for punctuation really nicely. this was only their second show in NYC; they were first on a pretty good bill (though I forget who else played, damn it) and had the biggest crowd of any of 'em.

I do wish I could remember who the middle band were, though--they were good and garagey and covered Sheila E's "The Glamorous Life"!

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 21 March 2003 07:41 (twenty-three years ago)

ah! the middle band is the Fever, whom a friend noted "will probably get sued and rename themselves the Fever NYC in two months"

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 21 March 2003 07:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Just picked up on this thread - yeah, what I've heard of the new Deerhoof and Yo La Tengo (MP3s on their website) albums sounds good, currently love the (last) Enon album but it took me a good few months to develop any feeling for it for some reason. Haven't heard Calla OR Lifter Puller, but good things ABOUT them.

One minus point: That new Steve Malkmus album is quite incredibly dull. Terror Twilight is great by comparison.

Did Xiu Xiu have a song called "Jennifer Lopez"? I think I have that on a sampler somewheres...

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:19 (twenty-three years ago)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 21 March 2003 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Matos -- wanted to go to that. Sorry I couldn't make it.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 21 March 2003 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

What is this about Dave Q requesting a novelty sized contract? That would be damn funny, Dave. Maybe oompa-loompas could present it too you.

― S Samson, Friday, 21 March 2003 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

That new Malkmus album is so not dull.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 21 March 2003 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry. Make that "in my opinion, it is dull".

;)

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 21 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

That lightning bold rekkid is so disappointing.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 21 March 2003 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...

is this still true

― Dom iNut (donut), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:22 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I hear that some indie rock band is gonna put out a DVD.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:49 (twenty years ago)

it's true

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 January 2006 05:59 (twenty years ago)

true it is then

― Dom iNut (donut), Thursday, 26 January 2006 07:24 (twenty years ago)

be more descriptrue.

― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 26 January 2006 07:42 (twenty years ago)

in 2005, indie rock had a better year than pop for the first time since pre-9/11 days: discus.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

I agree, but wonder whether ilm mach '06 isn't too different from '03 to have that discussion

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

everything in '05 had a better year than pop

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, it was a slow year for that shouty/preachy Submission Hold style punk

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

jess is right i think, indie rock's shithotness was about average, pop's shithotness was unshithot

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

When I was younger, independent music was so different, so much so that today I have very little enthusiasm for new rock. An example of what I mean is, the bands I listened to were This Kind of Punishment, The Cannanes, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, The Mountain Goats, etc, my point being that most groups used to be a little more experimental. What I liked about the rock music then, was not everyone thought rock had to Rock. When I hear a lot of newer indie, to me it just sounds like rock music. Does anyone understand where I am coming from?

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 27 January 2006 10:39 (twenty years ago)

Certainly in the early 90s and hung on every new release by those bands you mention above, there was a far greater air of mystery about what I was hearing. There wasn't the glut of hyped-to-the-stars 'indie' product invading my consciousness at every opportunity. So it was all the more fascinating to pore over an LP by, say, TFUL282 and examine it in its every. This was music that truly sounded individual, different and had it's own identity, 'indie' in sound and spirit rather than in dubious business practices.

Obviously there are still equivalents today - Cerberus Shoal, who I only discovered recently - leap to mind. And many of the bands mentioned above. But because everything is all the more visible and accessible to all, there is a great deal more competition against sinister Pitchfork championed so-called 'indie'. Mind you, one of my favourites from last year was The New Pornographers - but they don't really fit into any of this. Aw hell, there's always great stuff. But there's way too much of everything now - we have to work harder for our kicks. I'm a nostalgic old tool this morning. Bring back Xpresssway! Majora! Siltbreeze! (Is this sub-indie?!)

― myopic_void (myopic_void), Friday, 27 January 2006 11:38 (twenty years ago)

I guess waiting for the mailman to bring you music that you have no idea what it is going to sound like, can give music an extra sense of mystery. Does anyone know what happen to Ajax records mailorder. I would be lost today if I hadn't discovered them.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 27 January 2006 11:44 (twenty years ago)

That is exactly it! I remember coming home from school desperate to hear the new Peter Jeffries or whatever. Happy days. Ajax is now Three Beads of Sweat, reissuing oop. Mountain Goats records and stuff, and Mr Adams is a frequent poster here. I think you can still get a lot of the Ajax back catalogue direct from him. http://www.3bos.com/ He'll explain it a lot better himself.

― myopic_void (myopic_void), Friday, 27 January 2006 11:51 (twenty years ago)

You just made my year, seriously.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 27 January 2006 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Jacobs, I think you're totally right here... It's precisely the will-to-rock (even, especially, when paired with an unstated will-not-to-rock) that turns me off about most current indie.

i have no descripshows, however, so take all this with a grain of salt.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 27 January 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

I too, was once an indie rock fanatic that just can't get excited aobut much any of it anymore. I think there is something to be said for a sense of experimentation or attempted different-ness that is sorely, sorely missing these days. Or maybe I listened to to much of it over the past 12 years of so and not that much sounds "exciting and new."

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 27 January 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

What music creating in me then, was a love of sound, musical or not. Listening to independent music in the late 80's early 90's led me away from rock, to find where everything was coming form, dub, exotica, free jazz, disco, krautrock. I think this was inherent in the explorative nature of the music I was listening to. Where does new indie led someone to?

Keep in mind I write all of this while still going backwards in music. I am not actively engaged in new rock, this is just in response to ckecking out the groups mentioned above and on other thread.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:52 (twenty years ago)

Jacobs, surely indie kids of today are more open minded than they used to be. whether it's hip hop, techno, pop or whatever.

sure you can make the argument that it's been made trendy to like those types of genres but it doesn't hide the fact that they like it.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:59 (twenty years ago)

That's not what I meant. If good music is trendy, then great. I'm talking more about the lack I hear of a certain experimentation in rock towards other musics.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Sunday, 29 January 2006 03:07 (twenty years ago)

On the "indie" rock front (admittedly a scene that I really don't look to for profound feats of musical innovation) Macha seemed the most promising with unique synth textues and non-Western/Gamelan instrumentation. Ultimately - nice concept, flawed execution.

― Cliftonb, Sunday, 29 January 2006 03:40 (twenty years ago)

"Where does new indie led someone to?"

To clap their hands and say yeah.

I understand what you're saying. I saw Dykehouse a couple nights ago, and while he was playing I kept thinking that a lot of what's happening now is a change in the way that bands synthesize their influences— with Dykehouse, you can hear "Oh, this is his New Order song. Oh, this is his Guided By Voices song. Oh, this is his Jesus and Mary Chain song," and I feel like that happens a lot more, or at least I'm more aware of it. That was something that put me off of Interpol (and even more off of The Editors), and something that I feel kind of represents one of the two poles that indie rock seems to be clinging to right now (the other being pretty earnestness, like your post-emo Deathcab stuff). It's just rare to hear something from indie rock that really compells me to give it a second listen. I'm much more likely to listen to, say, bands that are open about being power pop bands or rock 'n' roll bands, or pop/dance bands than ones who consider themselves "indie" and think that label still sets them apart.
At least the market right now is so varied that it's easy to find lots and lots of stuff that is good and interesting without ever having to worry about being stuck with only a Bloc Party album to listen to.
(Anyway, it's not a cogent thesis or anything, just the way I was feeling.)

― js (honestengine), Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

3 beads of sweat is releasing a new maryrose crook and the renderers cd and a brian crook solo record soon.

― keyth (keyth), Sunday, 29 January 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

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