World in Motion vs Three Lions

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We've got a qualifier next week - so what do people reckon? Are we going with baddiels terrible singing, or Barnes' terrible rapping? The ref's just waiting for confirmation he can start the kick off - PEEEEEEP!

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Thursday, 27 March 2003 08:53 (twenty-three years ago)

world in motion for christ's sake. ian broudie deserves only a good kicking.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I was in Britain when I should have heard "Three Lions" but only remember "Vindaloo" and "How Does It Feel (To Be On Top of the World)".

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Around that time, there was that dodgy three lions 98 version, which is pants. I'm talking about the quality Euro 96 one carrying nothing but hope and memories.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:10 (twenty-three years ago)

off to soulseek then...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

By managing to bring together the evil trinity of Lightning Seeds, David Baddiell & English football in a single artefact, "3 Lions" is indeed the most annoying of recorded music I've ever heard.

― bham, Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:37 (twenty-three years ago)

"World In Motion" is a better song / record but "Three Lions" has proved to be significantly more useful on (what used to be) the terraces.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I can never understand why people detest the Lightning Seeds. Without turning this thread into "Lightning Seeds C/D", I think that poppiness and tunesmithery are both quality, and Ian brodie at his best does it with the best of 'em. His shite is steaming, but his pearls are glistening.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:13 (twenty-three years ago)

"Three Lions" cos it led to my top musical moment of '02. "World In Motion" is a better record - I'd forgotten how stirring it was.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:16 (twenty-three years ago)

you can be slow or fast, but you must get to the line...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

World In Motion is really funny but that melody is so so so so catchy, it's been stuck in my head on and off since whenever the last time I heard the song, it's funny seeing New Order make a football song seem quite indie.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:49 (twenty-three years ago)

'World In Motin' is infinitely superior to 'Three Lions' for snobbery's sake and as Tom says its a better song overall. I think I only sang 'Three Lions' in '86 being drunk and totally drowning in an abyss of Britpop fuelled geezaesthetica ;)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

yeh thats right I said '86, i actually travelled back in time to Mesico and...well, i've said too much...

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Mesico is what the Mexicans call Mexico, i just wanted to blend in...whilst singing '3 Lions'....(cough)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'd like sven to use the lyrics to "World in motion" in his half-time team talk and see if anyone notices...

"they'll always hit you and hurt you, defend and attack..."

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

'for sure you know, der is only one way to beat thim...'

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:15 (twenty-three years ago)

haha that's such a funny image, or garth crooks talking to him in one of those serene football focus style interviews, "well garth, they'll always hit you and hurt you".

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Barney vs. Broudie?

No contest. The Barnster every time.

But it has to be said, I DESPISE football - and hate football songs even more.

― russ t, Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)

"Three Lions"

Instant classic and one of the best songs ever written!

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

it was written in less time than it takes to listen to it

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

mind you so was 'world in motion' probably - except the john Barnes rap, that took MONTHS you know...many died needlessly...

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Three Lions is a great tune, much better than World In Motion. certainly much better as a football tune.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I was veering towards 3 Lions when I started this post, but you've all convinced me of the genius of World in Motion, especially Barnes' rap. "The only way to beat them is to get roudn the back" - genius!

This ain't a football song indeed!

Howeve, 3 Lions is such a top pop tune - better "pop" than World In Motion, surely.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

When it's good populist pop-music (and indeed tunesmithery), no-one can beat an on-form Ian Broudie. His miserabilism also gives it a fantastic hook-em-in factor for people who hate sports: it's the only sports song I've ever heard which is realistic about what "we" are hoping in the face of. "Thirty years of hurt" in a football song!
In a football song, generally the home of "We're better than you, and you know it". Well, we're not better than you, but we could be.

Clearly, the only thing that would make Three Lions better would be if Johnny Cash covered it.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:46 (twenty-three years ago)

'world in motion' is more 'sophisticated' than 'three lions' - and i tend to prefer sophistopop to painfully simple pop songs, i tend to find the latter to trite to deal with

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

How exactly is WIM more sophisticated or less hooky - and the pull-em-in factor for WIM is/was the huge boom in dance culture, "Love's got the world in motion" is hardly "you're shit and you know you are" Andrew!

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i think its more sophisticated MUSICALLY, the beat, wider use of sounds - maybe i say 'sophisticated' when i just mean complicated

but even saying 'love's got the world in motion' has more to it than 'football's coming home' - the former has a (literally) more global tone - and as the main hook, even having more words makes it technically more complicated

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean it seemed like everyone - old grannies, toddlers, mangy old dogs - were singing 'football's coming home' at one point, but there was no snippet of 'world in motion' that caught everyone like that - only football fans were singing it and singing the full song it seemed

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

WIM = *more* Hooky surely?

sorry.

― pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Fair catch by Tom - I haven't heard World In Motion since it was released, I was just looking for an excuse to say nice things about Ian Broudie, the most hated-on man in pop.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)

My memory of "World in Motion" = in Czecho-Slovakia during the world cup when it came out, in hotel zvan in ceske budovice (this = wrong spelling) V. posh, actually landed gentry and well spoken person I ws holidaying w/, so rat arsed on powerful local BOUZE that he cd barely walk, after watchin eng-ger-land getting beaten in penalty shootouts by Germany, staggering over to sink in k-basick hotel accomodation. As he staggers, he is muttering "we're playing for/eng-er-land/we're playing for/eng-er-land" etc etc. He stands OVER the sink, and HWALP!! he actually misses, and sprays over the cheap cold-war lino phloor. We made him clean it up w/paper towels. Then he went back to his room (we watched match on "Tesla" brand CSSR telly, hired from hotel for 1kc = 1/27th of 1 pound at then official Xchange rate) in his room, he is repeatedly & noisily sick, but forgets to close the door, so vomiting sounds echo around the cold brick corridors. When we went to check out, the hotel staff laughd at us & said we couldn't hold our dring (this = true) B/C ov this, "world in motion" winz, even tho' I don't care for it too much really. "Three Lions" = Sux0r. I note that so far you are all pointedly avoiding mentioning the other rekkid, which is standing drooling & muttering in the corner like some alkoholick relative you are all embarrased by. I forget the title, but it was the one made by echo & bunnymen, spice girls and OCS. That was undoubtedly the sux0r357.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)

i think its more sophisticated MUSICALLY, the beat, wider use of sounds

Melodically and harmonically, "Three Lions" is clearly the most sophisticated of the two of them.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

We're playing for England {In-ger-land}
We're playing the song
We're singing for England {In-ger-land}
Arrivederci its one one one

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah that was the chorus Geir but it never caught on like "Football's coming home".

I do agree that "Three Lions" was Broudie's hook of a lifetime.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:54 (twenty-three years ago)

you've missed his point Tom, HE POSTED THE CHORUS!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:10 (twenty-three years ago)

on the contrary, geir

"They'll always hit you and hurt you
defend and attack
there's only one way to beat them
get round the back..."

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't be silly Kilian

"We're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball, we're on the ball"

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

The "Football's Coming Home" part was definitely a genius hook. Not only the singalong qualities, but it also fit perfectly when fotball was actually coming home, for the 1996 European Championship in the UK.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't tend to equate genius with simplistic beauty, just because 'Three Lions' is a catchier hook - is this really such an achievement? its a very childlike thing, almost like a nursery rhyme ('three blind mice' etc.). it's funny though because lots of people now slag off 'Three Lions' in the same way they do Britpop (hello stevem) - oh the guilt, oh the shame. isn't this exactly what people were doing in the 80s as well?

"we're goin all the waaaay...we're goin all the waaaay..."

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:56 (twenty-three years ago)

if England had won Euro '96, I wonder if we hataz would feel better about 'three lions'?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't this exactly what people were doing in the 80s as well?

i mean as they were in the 90s, feeling ashamed of what they listened to and enjoyed in the 80s? with Britpop, people now are feeling ashamed to have enjoyed it at the time - except Geir of course ;)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Well it's what people do every decade. In the 80s I remember our lodger snickering while reading through some magazine with "THE 70s - THE DECADE THAT TASTE FORGOT?" on the cover.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 March 2003 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)

so ten years on it all seems wrong, but ten more years on it all seems great again (appears to be true with the current 80s revival)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 March 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

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