Now Let us Talk about Steve Winwood.

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I've always liked his singing voice, and the pop (?) tunes he put out in the late eighties were both pleasant, manly and beliveably passionate.
Now his name is never brought up, even in jest or as a comparison.
I think he's highly underrated.
And this thread is here for those who agree and would like to big up Master Winwood and his shiny, brassy vocal pipes.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 29 March 2003 22:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

my father took his place in the Spencer Davis Group!

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 29 March 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Big up higher love!!! This was me favourie record of all time in '86! Viva Steve Winwood

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 23:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Low Spark of High Heeled Boys" is positively godlike.

I must now sheepishly confess to secretly digging "Spanish Dancer" and "Arc of a Diver".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 29 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can't stand his 80s hits at all, but the Traffic era was cool.

Joe (Joe), Sunday, 30 March 2003 01:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am stunned that Alex would utter this - ""Low Spark of High Heeled Boys" is positively godlike" - and that I would have to echo it loudly. GREAT SONG.


I've always had a vague curiosity about the Spencer Davis Group.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 30 March 2003 01:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wasn't Winwood, like, 16 in that band?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 30 March 2003 02:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, he was Rick Astley before Rick Astley was Rick Astley.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 30 March 2003 02:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well then...who was Milli Vanilli before Milli Vanilli was Milli Vanilli?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 30 March 2003 04:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

duh the Monkees

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 30 March 2003 04:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

< CUSTOS'S VENTRILOQUIST DUMMY >But the Monkees did their own singing.< /CUSTOS'S VENTRILOQUIST DUMMY >

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 30 March 2003 06:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stevie Winwood in the Spencer Davis Group @ 16 = Alex Chilton in the Boxtops @ 16

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 30 March 2003 06:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

but they didn't play their own instruments, write their own songs, other talismans of integrity, etc. etc.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 30 March 2003 06:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

you forgot about LL Cool J. making radio @ 16 you racist mofos.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 30 March 2003 06:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've always had a vague curiosity about the Spencer Davis Group.

Not that much to see there. "Keep On Running" and "Somebody Help Me" are cool but it's mostly pretty dull R&B knock-offs. The less well known stuff sounds a lot like John Mayal's Bluesbreakers at times.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well then...who was Milli Vanilli before Milli Vanilli was Milli Vanilli?

Boney M?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

one of the finest voices in rock. Traffic was just fucking wonderful. Aside from a couple tracks on the uk debut all of it still sounds timeless

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Sunday, 30 March 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

"The less well known stuff sounds a lot like John Mayal's Bluesbreakers at times." - yikes, include me out then

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 31 March 2003 01:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't you know what the night can do?
Don't you know what the night can do?
I you know that it has little to do with the music of Steve Winwood.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 31 March 2003 01:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

and has everything to do with Michelob Light

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 31 March 2003 01:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm kinda glad that I was far too young to go to bars during the Southside Johnny/Huey Lewis/"This Note's For You"/"Roll With It" era of rock.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 31 March 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

not that the Nickelback & Friends era is better at all.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 31 March 2003 01:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
"The Finer Things" is lovely.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

big ups to Steve Winwood. John Barleycorn always in heavy rotation. Low Spark not far behind.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think "Higher Love" is a very well-written song. A big hook in every moment.

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

And it's Chaka Khan on the chorus!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Another wonderful song: "While You See a Chance." I heard it on the radio in the panhandle near Golden Gate Park the day I moved to San Francisco in 1996, and it convinced me I'd made the right decision. (Indeed, I had.)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't forget Blind Faith; Can't Find My Way Home and Sea of Joy are two of my favorite of his vocal performances. Ditto on "I'm a Man" (not the Yardbirds song) by the Spencer Davis Group.

musically (musically), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

The Blind Faith version of "Well...All Right" is pretty nifty too.

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

so does everyone like the Blind Faith album? I certainly do. I thought about starting a thread on it once (cuz there is none.) agree w/ "Sea of Joy". the Grech violin solo just kills me everytime.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

You should start a thread about it; of all the one-album bands they're definitely at the top. My only problem with the album is that it was far too short...only six songs, and since I never listen to "Do What You Like" the whole album is less than 30 min.

musically (musically), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Do What You Like is long all right, but Stevie's keyboard work is worthwhile in it. Typical everybody-gets-a-solo deal.

jim wentworth (wench), Thursday, 22 June 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Just heard "Freedom Overspill" while in line at the cafeteria.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

not really into "highlife" or anything after (well "About time" was ok) but his first solo album is just perfect and i wish he had spent a little more time in that zone instead of zooming straight into the sophisti-pop overdrive of "Arc of a diver" (which is also great).

of course "valerie" is beyond classic

and "my love's leavin" has one of the most majestic keyboard runs ever

traffic, that's a whole nother thread

so much to say about this wonderful man and i can never adequately put my thoughts together on ilm

winston, Friday, 7 December 2007 04:10 (sixteen years ago) link

oh and i forgot

MOTHERFUCKIN "VOODOO CHILE"!!!!!

winston, Friday, 7 December 2007 04:31 (sixteen years ago) link

VALERIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 8 December 2007 13:25 (sixteen years ago) link

No love for "Gimme Some Lovin'"?

Loved all the Winwood Traffic stuff but not the Dave Mason-centric tunes, "20,000 Headmen" anyone?

There's also a pair of live Hendrix LPs I have, one (on Barclay, I think) legit (volume 1), and one a boot copy (volume 2) that have Winwood and Wood on them.

factcheckr, Saturday, 8 December 2007 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link

The "Mr. Fantasy" album was obviously very classic. Particularly the American version that included their two great 1967 singles.

The great twee-psych-pop-song that was "Hole In My Shoe" was probably their greatest moment, but I'm aware that it was first and foremost the work of Dave Mason while Steve Winwood hated it.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 8 December 2007 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link

As for Winwood solo, the "Arc Of a Diver" album was a great merge between Winwood's "soul" voice and a more new wave/synth oriented style.

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 8 December 2007 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link

xxp awww dave mason is awesome!

winston, Sunday, 9 December 2007 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Both Valerie and The Finer Things rule.

Mr. Goodman, Sunday, 9 December 2007 05:28 (sixteen years ago) link

P.S. Eric Prydz's 'Call on Me' is still good no how matter how cheesy I know it is and how overplayed it was.

Mr. Goodman, Sunday, 9 December 2007 05:36 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.vinylzart.com/images/AlbumCovers-BlindFaith(1969).jpg

Nate Carson, Sunday, 9 December 2007 05:45 (sixteen years ago) link

In the words of Bob Seidemann - "Technology and innocence crashed through the tatters of my mind - only a thread of an idea - something I couldn't see...

To symbolize the achievement of human creativity and its expression through technology, a space ship became the material object.

To carry this new spore into the universe, innocence would be the ideal bearer - a young girl, as young as the tree of knowledge and the girl, the fruit of the tree of life."

The young girl who appears naked in the image was actually the younger sister of the girl that the artist had originally approached, and who received a young horse from Robert Stigwood as her modelling fee.

The record company, based on the controversy the cover image caused when it was shown in trade publications before the record's release, considered not releasing the album. Eric Clapton said "no cover, no record", and also insisted that the band's name not be printed anywhere other than on the wrapper.

Nate Carson, Sunday, 9 December 2007 05:47 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Clapton = scumbag pervert?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 29 February 2008 05:49 (sixteen years ago) link

His autobiography is so boring...he uses the word "I" too much...it's like reading a "What I did on summer vacation" essay.

musically, Friday, 29 February 2008 05:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Clapton = 70s bands were amazing and really fun to listen to. can't remember who those dude's names are ... like 'dan Oderkirk' on drums or bass or some shit? anyway, really loose and fun and they played Clapton's material well. this is all based on me pulling out 'Crossroads' 2 years ago and listening all the way through ... but that WAS a fun Saturday

Stormy Davis, Friday, 29 February 2008 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Stand up in a clear blue morning until you see what can be.
Alone in a cold day dawning: are you still free? can you be?

it feels so weighted with feeling and meaning that listening to it is incredibly emotional, but what the hell is he talking about?

J0hn D., Sunday, 23 March 2008 06:49 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXGP5Nn1-Vg

Something wrong with his hair, though, I admit.

Bimble, Sunday, 23 March 2008 07:18 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

'80s Winwood is dope as fuck... "Freedom Overspill"? "The Finer Things"? Undeniable. The "I will wait..." bridge in "Higher Love" = total unexpected genius moment. Then the harmonized "I could light the night up with my soul on fire..."

Clarke B., Wednesday, 27 July 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

'roll with it' was a straight up dadrock cassette classic, I must have heard it a million times in my pop's car. every song on that album was carlton dance material, and just skillful as fuck. not great mind you. miccio otm upthread re: the southside johnny/huey era. secret deep cut of this era: albert collins' "babysitting blues" from adventures in babysitting.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 31 March 2014 05:43 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

https://vimeo.com/27818768

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 May 2016 00:08 (seven years ago) link

all that Chaka Khan dancing and vocalizing can't redeem his orange tie

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2016 00:19 (seven years ago) link

listening to steve winwood when i was a little kid really set the stage for a lifetime of mishearing lyrics

call all destroyer, Friday, 20 May 2016 00:24 (seven years ago) link

Nile Rogers is there too. this song is so hot.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 May 2016 00:25 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

“Higher Love” slays, love that shit

ncxkd, Sunday, 20 October 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link

Word

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 October 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link

I accept that - within the context of the 80s - Steve Winwood's output was top-drawer.
But, Jesus Christ, this man sang "Empty Pages" on John Barleycorn...

Maltrsnapper, Monday, 21 October 2019 01:19 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Few recording artists give me as much enjoyment and reservations as Steve Winwood. I've seen him once live, on tour with Steely Dan when Becker was still around. (It was actually one of the "free" shows that were part of Ticketmaster's class action settlement.) I went mainly for Steely Dan but Winwood's opening set stole the show. I was shocked at how little his voice had aged - even "Gimme Some Lovin'" was barely distinguishable from his original teenage vocal. He went from instrument to instrument, performing all of them masterfully and effortlessly, and he did all of his best numbers too. The highlight was his extended guitar solo on "Dear Mr. Fantasy." But it says a lot that almost everything was drawn from the '60s.

By the time we get to the '80s, Xgau is calling Winwood a "wunderkind with more talent than brains." I wouldn't call it a lack of "brains," but I knew this era first before Traffic et al, and I got the impression that if Winwood wasn't so gifted, he would have easily and quickly walked away into a regular office job without having much doubt. He just seemed to be missing something that drove most great artists - it's not the same for everyone, but it usually makes it easy to see why they became artists and why they had to create the work they made.

Some of the hits like "Higher Love," "Back in the High Life" and "Finer Things" still feel palatable to me because talent aside, he sounds like a regular guy getting older, at peace with life and articulating that clearly without too much pretension. It's not the most interesting stuff but it is comforting, like running into one of my parents' friends (or a school friend's parent) and seeing them in a happy place.

birdistheword, Saturday, 2 April 2022 16:43 (two years ago) link

I got the impression that if Winwood wasn't so gifted, he would have easily and quickly walked away into a regular office job without having much doubt.

Interesting comment, given what he says in this 1988 interview:

“(After leaving Traffic,) I started deliberately mixing with people who had nothing to do with music or any of the arts,” he says. “You know, there was an idea in the Sixties that people who complied to rules, or who went to work at nine and came home at five and wore suits, that they were wrong. I suddenly began to realize ‘What’s wrong with working from nine till five? That’s great.’ And I started to do that myself a bit then.” (…)

(On punk rock:) “It was against everything that I had been or was to that point,” he says bluntly. “It was against music, too. It was antiestablishment. They were really just advanced hippies. I’d been through that antiestablishment thing in the late Sixties, and during the Seventies I suddenly realized the value of being establishment.”

ass time permits (morrisp), Saturday, 2 April 2022 17:29 (two years ago) link

HA! I guess it establishes the Roman Hruska argument for Steve Winwood...there are lot of people who go along with the establishment. They are entitled to a little representation in Steve Winwood, aren't they? We can't have all Sex Pistols, Clash and Ramones.

birdistheword, Saturday, 2 April 2022 17:52 (two years ago) link

I'm not a Winwood fan at all, but I don't take Xgau seriously when it comes to attitudes about certain boomers.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 April 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link

I certainly like Traffic/Winwood more than Christgau does, but I understand the attitude that his music and singing can seem facile. As birdistheword says, there's the impression that the music is there for its own sake, he has no message but doesn't seem ego-driven either.
In a way, though, when his songs are exciting or emotional, it can be more valuable than with other artists simply because those feelings arise from the writing, playing and singing themselves. It helped having Jim Capaldi write words for him to give the songs a focus.
I read the 1988 Winwood biography in high school, and probably remember more anecdotes about his bandmates than about him.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 2 April 2022 18:34 (two years ago) link

I listened to the '87 remix of "Valerie" a few minutes -- my god, talk about shoehorning music to fit the scansion. Never mind that the lyrics make no sense, period; but Winwood stresses the following lines in the first post-chorus verse in weird ways: "Not how lovers cry out/Just like they're dying." They don't work.

The Eric Prydz remix did much to reduce Will Jennings to Bernie Taupin.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 April 2022 18:38 (two years ago) link

I suppose the Traffic-era songs were loose/slow-paced enough that Winwood had a lot more leeway to bend the phrasing of clumsy lyrics.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 2 April 2022 18:50 (two years ago) link


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