Is it easy to make a pop song?

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Considering the fact that there has been many a studio-created artist throughout recording music history, it seems to me, anybody who wants to make a hit pop song, can.

David Allen, Sunday, 30 March 2003 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

it is easy to write a song. it is not easy to intentionally write a good song. it is spectacularly easy to accidentally do that though.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 30 March 2003 01:12 (twenty-three years ago)

if it is easy to make a pop song, and extremely financially lucrative, i wonder why everyone doesnt do it?

the only way to find out if it is easy david, is to try it yourself

gareth (gareth), Sunday, 30 March 2003 08:05 (twenty-three years ago)

max martin to thread!!

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 30 March 2003 08:24 (twenty-three years ago)

(short answer: what esoj 'n gareth said)

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 30 March 2003 08:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Also there are lots of other cool ways to make money, I guess

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 30 March 2003 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

what you're hearing is the good stuff tho' and to make good pop music is difficult.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 30 March 2003 08:44 (twenty-three years ago)

no

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Sunday, 30 March 2003 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Considering the fact that there has been many a studio-created artist throughout recording music history, it seems to me, anybody who wants to make a hit pop song, can.

Remember the writers are usually a lot more musically skilled and experienced than the performers.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 30 March 2003 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

except at, like, performance, where they are less skilled and experienced

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 30 March 2003 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

It's very hard -- harder, in fact, than certain segments of abstracted and experimental stuff. (Some experimental work tends to be more conceptual: once you've figured out what rules you're breaking, what adventurous new approach you're applying, the "hard work" element can fade into the background a little.)

It's hard because there's a kernel of "experimentation" wrapped up in just writing a good pop song -- a really difficult negotiation between wanting to use enjoyable pop conventions but present them in some way that actually sounds new.

Also there's a level on which it's easy, sure: "here are three chords, now start a band." But even that mode just equates with the "conceptual" mode of experimental stuff, because it's hit or miss: some days you can sit down, play three major chords and make up a melody, and it's spot-on perfect; some days you can put every ounce of energy and thought you can muster into it and it still just sounds like three stupid chords and a half-assed melody. It's easy to produce something that sounds like a pop song, sure, but it's pretty easy to produce a noise record, too: the question is what spark in there actually makes one good.

Jim is absolutely right about finding that spark accidentally.

Also: everyone always says computers have made it very "easy" to make music. This is sort of true: computers have made it much easier to produce music that sounds decent enough to release. But just because you can throw two loops together and have them sound nice does not make a song; computers will never make the music move right. And even with all those fancy tools it still takes loads of work to make something sound the way you want -- often more work, in my experience, than recording a rock band.

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 30 March 2003 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

the klf to thread!

(ans. yes)

(but no)

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 March 2003 15:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Daniel Bedingfield!

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 30 March 2003 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)

the entirety of the manual (or how to have a number one hit the easy way) is online at
http://www.instrumentality.com/themanual.html

robin (robin), Sunday, 30 March 2003 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

(Is it easy to make a pop song) vs (Is it easy to write a pop song) vs (Is it easy to make a song pop)

dave q, Sunday, 30 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

except at, like, performance, where they are less skilled and experienced

Sometimes they are. Other times, both the performer and the writer suck at performance, but the producer is good at programming Autotune.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 30 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I just realized I don't necessarily understand the "pop" in the question. Most chart-pop is really hard. Popular hip-hop is easy if the people involved are talented -- everyone needs to be really on-point, but if you're a shit-hot MC this might not involve a ton of "work" work in the studio. Very-popular rock is pretty hard to record, but the amount of work it takes to write it varies widely. A lot of "pop" indie-rock is like hip-hop in that it doesn't take a huge amount of work to write or perform but you have to have a really on-point idea for it to wind up being any good. Dance-pop and electronic pop vary from just needing a good concept to these immaculate well-groomed work-intensive opuses, and it's not always obvious which is which: "Can't Get You Out of My Head" sounds pretty simple, but good luck getting something like that into shape yourself.

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 30 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Also: autotuning cannot create a good "performance." It can help provide an in-key one, but being in key is only about 5% of a good vocal performance.

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 30 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I want to see some answers that use Afroman's "Because I Got High" as an example of something

dave q, Sunday, 30 March 2003 18:42 (twenty-three years ago)

stoners are funny?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 30 March 2003 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

No, making a good Pop song is not easy if you're an artist, because if you're an artist you don't want to tread on the already threadbare conventions of what sells.

Doing your own original thing and having it be poppy enough to sell millions is pretty rare.

However, if you have no soul or artistic integrity, but somehow still manage to be able to write and arrange songs, knowing well that you are only doing it for the money, writing a pop song might be easier.

I think putting together a success-bound boy band or teenage pop diva might be a lot easier than writing a pop song. It depends how in you are with the Red Guy.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Sunday, 30 March 2003 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

THE Red Guy, that is. www.churchofsatan.com Will give ya the info.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Sunday, 30 March 2003 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)


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