1) is it worthwile making such a big deal about lyrics and messages you don't like in what is supposed to be feelgood pop music to make you dance to, drive to, NOT think about and generally appeal to people younger and sexier than you anyway?
2) why am i so bothered about the message side anyway? i think it is because i like the musical ideas so much and find them relatively novel and inventive that i am disappointed the lyrics can never be quite as original (is it not feasible, even possible, for artists to write about something different to 'just got paid, this party got it goin on, girls/boys over there look hot' with this style of music?)
3) if you like this kind of music, what appeals to YOU the most about it - the music, the message or the combination? or do you just like it and really do not care what they are talking about?
i just realised that if 'All Over' was by Miss Dynamite i would probably like it more because then it would be a bit more detached from the So Solid thing which irritates me a lot because it all just seems like everything they do is a response to whatever American acts are doing - and their 'badboy' schtick is incredibly tedious. i admit this is probably not very logical either, cos its obviously appealing to 13 year olds - and i may well have liked it when i was that age (but its tricky because there was never a UK equivalent to the hard rap acts from the US at that time)
the interesting thing about the Lisa Maffia video is its a deeply contrived attempt to say 'hey we London lot can party up like Diddy and co.' by copying that exactly, tho it does actually look the part - there's even a cameo from the producer tho i think he's actually a scrawny Oxide-esque guy who looks a bit out of place in the club surrounded by the So Solid massive. i think this might be something quite unique to England - the whole urban music scene in this country has always been well-mixed racially but often it tends to be the white producers lurking in the background while the black MCs and performers take centrestage and this only interests me because its that 'white producer lurking in the background making hip hop influenced music' that i often aspire to. un-necessary stigmatizing there perhaps - but its very common for guys like me to be into this music BECAUSE of the music rather than the things that go with it. obv. guys like Oxide (as was the case with Liam Howlett) are not as interested in being stars as they are in being successful producers.
anyway these thoughts open up more questions, like if you think about all the hip hop and modern r n'b you love, which theme out of crime/violence, sex, politics or self-praise/celebration is the most common? and how much should be read into that?
this whole idea of liking the music but not liking the message can be applied to other music too of course (esp. in my case) but I singled out hip-pop because it seems to be the one that niggles me the most. and i hope this doesn't all seem lime vague gibberish on a Sunday afternoon.
― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 30 March 2003 12:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 30 March 2003 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 30 March 2003 13:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 30 March 2003 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 31 March 2003 09:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 31 March 2003 09:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 31 March 2003 09:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 31 March 2003 10:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 31 March 2003 12:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 31 March 2003 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)
it remains unclear...
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 31 March 2003 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― robin (robin), Monday, 31 March 2003 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― robin (robin), Monday, 31 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― robin (robin), Monday, 31 March 2003 17:59 (twenty-three years ago)
Actually, I feel like UK RnB and Rap is always a bit off because it's themes are always very slightly dated.
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 31 March 2003 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)