― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Sunday, 30 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Sunday, 30 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)
― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 30 March 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)
― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Sunday, 30 March 2003 20:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 March 2003 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 30 March 2003 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)
― original bgm, Monday, 31 March 2003 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 31 March 2003 02:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 31 March 2003 05:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 31 March 2003 06:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 31 March 2003 07:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 31 March 2003 07:24 (twenty-three years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 31 March 2003 12:26 (twenty-three years ago)
No, it wasn't "mentioned" -- this peculiarity of palate & language development was help up as something to be mocked. It's not PC to observe that making fun of the way people talk is rude. (PC is a boogeyman made entirely of straw, but that's another question.) Speaking in "whiteboy" is rather different because if it's done here it's done by white people, and this isn't in any way unusual: if I criticize myself openly, then I can, if I like, invite others to enjoy laughing at my shortcomings. If, on the other hand, other people just make fun of me behind my back, I feel small.)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 31 March 2003 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 31 March 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)
Yeah, so saying "I roved Roudness" is totally evil, I am white devil (even though I'm actually mostly Lebanese, whatevah). Now, let's go persecute Chris Rock.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)
as reparation, i invite any asians who see this thread to mock my inability to properly digest monosodium glutamate or memorize the 2000 standard japanese kanji.
No, it wasn't "mentioned" -- this peculiarity of palate & language development was help up as something to be mocked.
were you actually shaking your finger at the monitor when you wrote this?
― your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)
Yeah, I didn't really say that, and took care to make it clear that that wasn't what I was saying, since when people feel like they're being caricatured, they tend to ignore any valid criticism that might be present in the exchange. I think that the racial dynamics between black and white people in the U.S. are pretty complex, though, and that history really does inform the way people get along with one another -- that is, while "Slavery? Get over it, already!" is a popular stance, it's also a ridiculous one from an historical standpoint: what to speak of Jim Crow, segregation, public policy post-desegregation etc. etc. etc. So there's a depth to it when people who've been getting screwed over for several hundred years make light of the people who've been doing the screwing. (That doesn't mean I accept the proposition that American black people can't be racist "because racism is about power," which was a claim that got tossed around a lot when I was in college; I don't.) But American (or for that matter English) people making fun of the Japanese is a qualitatively different thing from American black people making fun of American white people. The power dynamic makes the former case sound profoundly icky. "We bombed you worse than anybody's ever been bombed in the whole history of the world...oh, and you talk funny, too!" Eww.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)
Null Fame am I right in presuming you'd rather just toss insults back and forth than have a discussion? Fine, whatever...ummm...you're ugly, or something.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)
The power dynamic makes the former case sound profoundly icky. "We bombed you worse than anybody's ever been bombed in the whole history of the world...oh, and you talk funny, too!" Eww.
tedious. should we discuss whether this is just the frame of mind you carry around in regards to this and that in saying what i said i was thinking nothing of the sort? or is it now my job to think about the political histories of the united states and whatever country a band happens to be from before i do something hateful and oppressive like phonetically type out their lyrics?
i also like lots of norwegian bands who mispronounce things - cf thorns "desperately seeking the inwisible." is this racist? can i say it? will it not be funny? please advise.
― your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)
http://www.autopartsoutlet.com/d1d/loudness/minoru01.jpg
YNF, you're not interested in having a discussion, you just wanna trade insults & that much is clear, so, like, yeah. Do whatcha like, nothing matters, you must be a nice person so clearly nothing you ever say could have any racist connotations because after all you meant well, etc.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)
A) LoudnessB) the idiosyncracies of any ethnicities speech patterns
...ever again. I'm currently being punished for my crime against humanity by subjecting myself to a handfull of Loudness mp3s on repeat. Again, all apologeez.
Now, let's get back to making lists and stuff.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:54 (twenty-three years ago)
if you did think i was trying to insult you, my apologies - i'll just say i disagree with you on this and leave it at that.
and EZO - i'm sorry if i offended you, you guys fucking ROCKED.
― your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 31 March 2003 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Monday, 31 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:06 (twenty-three years ago)
See: The Sacred + The Profane + stuffed animals + Starchy Tubers == Comedic Genius.
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― order some disorder, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:28 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:30 (twenty-three years ago)
Accessing long dormant brain cells, I seem to recall that they added an American lead singer at one point, but by then the SST advertisements in same Hit Paraders had taken me a different path.
Rock and roll crazy nights!
― earlnash, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)
Ugh old ilx could be so awful.
I had a new song by Loudness come up on Spotify shuffle last night and didn't really know a lot about them, beyond being a long-running Japanese metal band. Searched to see if there was an ilm thread about them and now I'm just sad.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 August 2022 15:40 (three years ago)
Anyway, the song was "大和魂" and it kinda ruled.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 August 2022 15:42 (three years ago)
My brother saw them at a festival the other week, apparently they use way too many backing tracks for their own good BUT Akira Takasaki is a genuine whizz on the old axe.
― terry and june as hauntological relic (Matt #2), Thursday, 11 August 2022 17:20 (three years ago)