When trad rockers guest on early punk albums

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So Im in the car listening to J.Thunders "so alone" and there it is! a three way with Thunders, Lynott and Steve Marriot. Couldn't offhand think of any other early seventies stars in the studio with late seventies punks. This would be the opposite of say Patti Smith on Agents of Fortune. Did Rick Wakeman hum away with The Vibrators? Did George Harrison play sitar with Spizz Energy? any other dubious drop ins?

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 31 March 2003 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)

fuck a double

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 31 March 2003 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)

"puts down beer..."

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 31 March 2003 22:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, Ian Hunter produced the second Generation X album, right? Does that count? And didn't Lynott make records with, like, Midge Ure? (Okay, that counts even less.) And Blue Oyster Cult's producer Sandy Pearlman produced the second Clash album. And Robert Fripp produced Blondie.

chuck, Monday, 31 March 2003 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Not produced so much as sang or played

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 31 March 2003 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Though to mention producers again, Nick Mason + the Damned = shit. A song or two aside. Marc Bolan should have properly guested with them instead, that would rule, mang.

As for played, hrm. Ure was in Thin Lizzy for two seconds, I think. Then there's the whole Buggles join Yes deal, but that's another era.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 March 2003 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

But didn't Robert Fripp PLAY guitar on the third Blondie album? (And Lene Lovich, I believe sang on Cerrone albums, but that's the other way around, and it's Eurodisco not prog-rock, so never mind, I guess.)

chuck, Monday, 31 March 2003 23:49 (twenty-three years ago)

But didn't Robert Fripp PLAY guitar on the third Blondie album?

Guested with 'em live, I think.

Did Lene Lovich sing on Cerrone albums? Damn! I might have to break out that copy of Supernature again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 March 2003 23:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Ray Manzarek played keyboards as well as produced X Los Angeles. Though that's not particularly early.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 31 March 2003 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

John Cale produced the first Modern Lovers alb. Ray Davies has claimed that he had been the first choice though.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 31 March 2003 23:54 (twenty-three years ago)

That certainly sounds like Robert Fripp on "Fade Away & Radiate".

Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 31 March 2003 23:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, actually, Cerrone just THANKS Lene on the back of *Supernature. But she definitely appeared on at least one other Eurodisco album (Chi Chi Faveles's *Rock Solid) before her own 1979 debut album.

Aren't guys from Funkadelic on Talking Heads' *Remain in Light? I'm not about to go check, and it's later than punk anyway, plus they're really not "trad" rock in any sensible sense, but still. Also, I guess if we're gonna talk producers, we should mention Eno doing the Heads and *No New York, etc. But that's kind of obvious, I guess.

chuck, Monday, 31 March 2003 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

And yeah, I'm almost positive that Fripp plays on "Fade Away and Radiate." Isn't he credited inside the sleeve on *Parallel Lines?

chuck, Monday, 31 March 2003 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

And heh heh -- this is so obvious, why the hell didn't I think of it sooner?? -- Marc Bell from the band Dust (two GREAT metal albums, 1971 and 1972) actually became a member of both the Ramones (as Marky) and the Voidoids.

chuck, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 00:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually dug up the Dust albums from the KUCI archives coz of yer mention of them. That was some nutty stuff.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

It looks like theres a russian boot of Dust on cd and some affordable vinyl Thanks Chuck!

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

And okay, to change the subject from uber-masculine metal stuff: Where does Robert Wyatt (of Soft Machine) fit into this equation? I mean, he wound up recording for Rough Trade and even had a track on *Wanna Buy a Bridge,* right? And then on his solo album he did a version of some song about how Stalin wasn't stallin' at Stalingrad. I'm waiting for the Baghdad version myself -- Metal Mike Saunders and George Smith have come up with some great new punk rock band names for 2003 (the Dead Civilians, the Suicide Bombers, the Sadaamizers) and I think any of them would be perfect for the job, don't you?

chuck, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn, how come the cool threads sprout up after I leave the office?

Not sure it counts, but Led Zep's John Paul Jones produced the second album, Children, by the Mission UK (not that they were really Punk, early or otherwise, but....y'know, GOTHS and all).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

How does David Bowie fit into this question?

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Where does Robert Wyatt (of Soft Machine) fit into this equation?

Well, you could stretch the point and say that both he and Paul Weller guested on Peter Gabriel's third album...

As for Bowie, he was lurking in Berlin the whole time. Though he was working with Iggy, so there's your punk stuff. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 00:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Howzabout Nick Lowe? All them trad pubbers commingling with the Stiff generation. There was some definite overlapping there.

Scott Seward, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:25 (twenty-three years ago)

And Fripp also sat in with The Damned for some live shows...

Bob Crain, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)

And yeah, I'm almost positive that Fripp plays on "Fade Away and Radiate." Isn't he credited inside the sleeve on *Parallel Lines?

Fripp is definitely on "Fade Away...". I've also got a live Blondie bootleg from around then in which Fripp joins them live on a cover of "Heroes".

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)

And Fripp also sat in with The Damned for some live shows...

As did Lol Coxhill!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 01:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, thought of another good one. Dave Tice, vocalist for Australian heavy metal gods Buffalo, later moved to the UK and sang for the Count Bishops. Tho they'd probably be classed more pub than punk, they did record for Chiswick.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:09 (twenty-three years ago)

i'd love to have heard Ray Davies produce the modern lovers album! damn, what a fine idea that would have been!

pauls00, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:55 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmm, would Flo and Eddie singing back up on the Psychedelic Furs' "Love My Way" count?

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 05:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris Spedding appeared with The Vibrators at the 100 Club Festival and recorded the single Pogo Dancing with them (there were also rumours about the extent of his involvement with the recording of Never Mind The Bollocks).

As far as being a "punk" is concerned, let us not forget that before upping his credibility by joining The Rich Kids, in 1976 Midge Ure was still a member of manufactured, teeny-bop, glam, Bay City Roller wannabes Slik (remember their hit single "Forever And Ever"?)!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 06:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Shit that IS Flo and Eddie!

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Viv Stanshall did guest vocals on the Damned's Lovely Money single...

jack battery-pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

.... and Lemmy played bass on their cover of Ballroom Blitz.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I know he was in Hawkwind and all, but calling Lemmy "trad" is kind of a stretch...

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:22 (twenty-three years ago)

There's some Nick Harper connection to the Stranglers, isn't there?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Bob Seger on the MC5's High Time, y'all.

hstencil, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I know he was in Hawkwind and all, but calling Lemmy "trad" is kind of a stretch...
...And Fripp also sat in with The Damned for some live shows...
As did Lol Coxhill!

as per Coxhill's Damned live involvement, so it's reported to've really happened, the man has admitted as much himself, and an altogether fascinatin' factoid it verily is... only, glancing topwards, one wishes the thread title could be changed to something like "conspicuous guests with punk bands", for it's virtually impossible to even think, with a straight face, of Lol Coxhill as either "trad" or "rocker"
8-)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Cerrone thanks Lene on the back cover of 'Supernature' because the song was written by: Marc Cerrone/Alain Wisniak/Lene Lovich. Yes! She wrote most of the songs on Cerrone II, III and IVth albums!!! The full credits were never shown on the album covers, but all Lovich biographies mention her contribution.

For example, www.furious.com/perfect/lenelovich.html says:

In Lene's first true "band", she played the sax, while Les accompanied on guitar. The group recorded a few covers, most notably, Carl Malcolm's "Fattie Bum Bum," but their own singles failed to garner any success. Also, during this time [the mid 70's], Lene was recruited to write English lyrics for the French disco sensation Cerrone. While not being credited on the records, Lene assisted in three of Cerrone's works, including the successful "Supernature." As Lene put it:
"It all started with a vague phone call while I was in the studio with a soul band (The Diversions?). Somebody needed somebody to work with this foreign guy who couldn't speak much English, but he was into disco, and because we were doing soul/funk, they just sort of shouted in our direction. And I, grabbing every opportunity whether I could handle it or not, said I could do that, and because I had put my hand up I ended up being on a plane to Paris and had to figure out how to do this new thing."

Lene Lovich adapted lyrics for French disco star Cerrone include the UK hit "Supernature" - ATLANTIC K11089 and LPs "Cerrone's Paradise" - ATLANTIC K50377 and "Cerrone IV" - S 83282. She also participated in the composing of Cerrone's opera "The Collector" in the mid 80's.

Now, you will probably listen to 'Supernature' with a new consciousness...

"Will there be a happy end
Now that all depends on you... Supernature!"

BBmtl (bbmtl), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 04:39 (twenty-three years ago)

One of the greatest songs ever, that. First heard it through Erasure's brilliant cover.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 04:47 (twenty-three years ago)

"as per Coxhill's Damned live involvement, so it's reported to've really happened, the man has admitted as much himself, and an altogether fascinatin' factoid it verily is... "

Not merely live involvement and not subject to any debate - Lol Coxhill played sax on the track You Know on the Damned's second studio album Music For Pleasure - it's one of the few redeeming features of the album.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

The Damned wanted Syd Barrett to produce their 2nd album (I've also heard Malcolm McLaren wanted Syd to produce the Pistols too). Obviously a non-starter as Syd couldn't remember who he was by then let alone produce an alubm. By some weird process they ended up with Nick Mason, the boring and faceless member of a group not exactly over-stocked with charismatic figures. Give Nick his due tho, he DID produce Robert Wyatt's "Rock Bottom" too for which we should all be grateful.

Dadaismus, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 11:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Not merely live involvement and not subject to any debate - Lol Coxhill played sax...

yesyesyesyes, and more - on Coxhill's Spectral Soprano comp is, a.o. stuff, the outstretched duo number 'Turned Out Nice Again'(8:09), recorded 1998 at Benny's Bar, Bayswater, London (it says in the booklet) - performed by Lu Edmonds: fretless 3-stringed bass banjo + Coxhill: s.sax
Sayeth Lol: "I /.../ have stayed in touch with Lu, playing together now and again at improvised music sessions with him on various instruments."

good for 'em, 's all i say.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 11:50 (twenty-three years ago)


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