Jimmy Guttermans 33 Rules of Bad Music Making, part 1: Lets Prove Jimmy Wrong.

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It's your opportunity to try and prove some of its points to be wrong (and CITE CONFIRMABLE EXAMPLES)


THE 33 1/3 RULES OF ROCK AND ROLL
If you violate these rules, you will make bad rock and roll and a couple of guys looking for a quick buck will write about you.


  1. Do not retain a band's name if the most important member(s) has left the group. Does anybody (even Pete Townshend) really like anything the Who have recorded since Keith Moon died in 1978?
  2. Do not sing a song about Elvis, especially if you have never been in a recording studio before.
  3. Do not record for Arista Records. In the late eighties, Clive Davis's label was a haven for art-rock has-beens eager for one last pillage, like GTR and the Kantner-Balin-Casady Band (both of which broke up after one album) and Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe (pending). Arista's flagship "new" artists of the time, particularly Milli Vanilli, were cynical exploitation units.
  4. Rock-and-roll songs with an orchestral choir are bound to be horrible. (Sole exception; the Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want")
  5. Rock lyrics are not poetry (especially if Sting or Bono write them).
  6. The quality of a rock-and-roll song is inversely proportional to the number of instruments on it (unless you're Van Morrison).
  7. Supergroups never are.
  8. Rock stars are not actors.
  9. Actors are not rock stars.
  10. White rock-and-roll stars who talk about their R&B roots are probably lying. Similarly, anyone born after April 1954 who records at the Sun Studio is a poseur. Furthermore, a return to roots is not necessarily a good thing. Listened to John Lennon's Rock 'n' Roll lately?
  11. Don't sing a song about your dead parent, especially if tht parent was a celebrity. This is the Hank Williams, Jr., rule.
  12. Elvis is dead.
  13. Do Not Go to Art School
  14. The more controversial the cause embraced, the more likely the star may actually be committed to it. Do you know anyone in favour of hunger or homelessness?
  15. Whatever you do, Jerry Lee Lewis (or GG Allin) has already done it. Probably better, too.
  16. A list is not a song. (Most blatant recent violation: Billy Joel's evasive"We Didn't Start the Fire.")
  17. Established artists should not allow family members into the band.
  18. There is no reason besides greed for an established performer to accept corporate sponsorship.
  19. Live records should reflect what a performance actually sounded like when it occured. We loved the Talking Heads' Stop Making Sense until we found out how many studios were used for postproduction.
  20. Videos are commercials.
  21. Good politics are not what makes good lyrics.
  22. Formidable technical proficiency is never sufficient. This explains why art rock is always bad.
  23. Neither is formidable hair. (Exception: Little Richard.)
  24. Do not hang out with Jeff Lynne or Dave Stewart. They will produce your record, you will take part in periodic psychedelic revivals, and you will start dressing like them. Do you want to wear a paisley vest and cowboy boots that badly?
  25. Cult artists are frequently just as boring and predictable as mainstream ones. This is also called the Robyn Hitchcock rule.
  26. Heavy Metal should be fast.
  27. Punk Happened. (Note Tense.)
  28. If you recorded more than three albums, someone will someday compile a boxed set dedicated to your oeuvre and Rolling Stone will give it four stars and call it a "grand summary, especially valuable on pristine CD."
  29. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is an oxymoron. If you want your work to be recognized in a musuem, learn to paint.
  30. Admit you're balding.
  31. Love is not all you need. Psychedelic lyrics never ring true after you've come down.
  32. Do not record cover versions of Motown or Stax/Volt hits.
  33. Rock and roll is but one part of the music being made on this planet. Rockers who think they are changing the world are in fact only reaching a small part of it.

and finally...

33 1/3 Do not die before Albert Goldman.

ATTTTTAAAAACCCCKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

2. Do not sing a song about Elvis, especially if you have never been in a recording studio before.

Gillian Welch

4. Rock-and-roll songs with an orchestral choir are bound to be horrible.

Faith No More's "King for a Day"

7. Supergroups never are.

Praxis you stupid fucker

8. Rock stars are not actors.

Jack Black

9. Actors are not rock stars.

Jack Black

13. Do Not Go to Art School

TALKING FUCKING HEADS ASSHOLE

20. Videos are commercials.

Pearl Jam's "Do the Evolution"

24. Do not hang out with Jeff Lynne or Dave Stewart.

George Harrison (RIP Georgy, I love ya)

25. Cult artists are frequently just as boring and predictable as mainstream ones.

F. I. S. H. B. O. N. E.

31. Psychedelic lyrics never ring true after you've come down.

"Across the Universe"

32. Do not record cover versions of Motown or Stax/Volt hits.

"Take Me to the River"


Okay, I feel much better now.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

I won't attack, but just say that if Jimmy Gutterman's book of 'bad' records is anything to go by then these rules are probably made to be ignored (but not worth the time it would take to actually break them).

s woods, Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wow. This is probably the quickest thread response time I've ever seen.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, nick...the book this list came from predates Praxis by a few years...same goes for Jack Black (who, I don't think is that good an example. He's only sufferable in small doses. And, Jackie-baby...shave ferchrissakes...you look like a fuckin' hobo!)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do not record for Arista Records.

Patti Smith and Anthony Braxton recorded for Arista.

Admit you're balding.

I'm losing my hair...to better looking kids...with better ideas...and more talent...but they're really, really nice.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Formidable technical proficiency is never sufficient. This explains why art rock is always bad.

This is a non-sequitir.

Neither is formidable hair. (Exception: Little Richard.)

Wait...Little Richard is art rock?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 10 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

of course not; Little Richard was a notoriously mediocre pianist. the rumor was that Huey "Piano" Smith would "play like Little Richard" by hitting lots of wrong notes

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

(ha, Custos, I just read the other thread where it shows the list was made in '91...years before Praxis or Gillian Welch or Jack Black or that Faith No More song or Pearl Jam!)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Recognizing that this is only half serious, I have to say that I agree with almost all of these points, except for 6, 13, 15, and possibly 16.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Caveat: the "GG Allin" clause in #15 wasn't part of the original list. I added that of my own accord while cleaning up what the scanner messed up.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 April 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know I ask this every time I see this list, but doesn't 'Art School' mean something different in the U.K. than it might in the U.S.A.?

Joe (Joe), Friday, 11 April 2003 01:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

rule 25 can eat my fuc (Robyn Hitchcock is not boring)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 April 2003 02:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

32.
The Jam, "Heatwave"

joe: yes, sorta. but RISD (where the T-Heads went) is an art school in any country.

bucky wunderlick (bucky), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I believe Keith Richards met Mick Jagger thru a friend while he was attending art school.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Going by pre-1990 standards:

1) Do not retain a band's name if the most important member(s) has left the group. Does anybody (even Pete Townshend) really like anything the Who have recorded since Keith Moon died in 1978? The Allman Brothers are a possible exception to this rule. Also, the "most important member" status of Keith Moon is questionable. And I like "Eminence Front".
2) Do not sing a song about Elvis, especially if you have never been in a recording studio before. Mojo Nixon?
3) Do not record for Arista Records. That might have been true in the late '80s. Less than a decade later, it was slightly less so. (also feel free to sub Pink or Avril or whoever)
4) Rock-and-roll songs with an orchestral choir are bound to be horrible. This is just me, but I lurve the Alan Parsons Project's "Breakdown". I'm pretty sure Jimmy the Rockabilly Purist would loathe it, though, so I don't think I'd reverse his conviction here.
5) Rock lyrics are not poetry... I don't want to bring up the ILM-unfriendly spectres of Dylan and Springsteen, but suffice it to say that lyrics can at least be poetic.
6) The quality of a rock-and-roll song is inversely proportional to the number of instruments on it. P-FUNK, YOU ASSCLOWN
7) Supergroups never are. Led Zeppelin isn't that bad.
8) Rock stars are not actors. Tom Waits.
9) Actors are not rock stars. Spinal Tap.
10) White rock-and-roll stars who talk about their R&B roots are probably lying. Similarly, anyone born after April 1954 who records at the Sun Studio is a poseur. Why doesn't he just replace all this with "I HATE U2", since that's obviously what he's getting at?

12) Elvis is dead. Oh.
13) Do Not Go to Art School. What nickalicious said. See also: WIRE, GODDAMMIT.
14) The more controversial the cause embraced, the more likely the star may actually be committed to it. Like David Bowie's "Hitler wasn't too bad" cause?
15) Whatever you do, Jerry Lee Lewis (or GG Allin) has already done it. Probably better, too. Tell that to R. Kelly.
16) A list is not a song. "FREAKY TALES"!

25) Cult artists are frequently just as boring and predictable as mainstream ones. This is also called the Robyn Hitchcock rule. Oh for fuck's sake.
26) Heavy Metal should be fast. "Sweet Child O' Mine" isn't all that fast.
27) Punk Happened. (Note Tense.) How soon after this list's publication was Nevermind released?

28) Do not record cover versions of Motown or Stax/Volt hits.
Hear that, Aretha? Your cover of Otis Redding's "Respect" is BAD MUSIC.

Oddly enough, #33 is one of the truest things I've ever read.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 11 April 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
32. Do not record cover versions of Motown or Stax/Volt hits.
"Take Me to the River"

not a Motown or a Stax/Volt hit

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 25 March 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't sing a song about your dead parent

Wasn't Let It Be about Paul McCartney's mother? That song wasn't too bad.

Do not retain a band's name if the most important member(s) has left the group.

The Supremes were quite respectable after Diana Ross left IMO.

Do Not Go to Art School

Just about all the British scenesters in the 60s and 70s met and formed their groups with their art school connections.

Do not record cover versions of Motown or Stax/Volt hits

Did anyone NOT like the disco version of "Knock on Wood"? Come on!

-Hear that, Aretha? Your cover of Otis Redding's "Respect" is BAD MUSIC.

The writer probably wasn't including inter-label covers...both Aretha and Otis were on Atlantic. At least, I'm hoping for his sake that's what he meant, because some Atlantic/Atlantic and Motown/Motown covers ended up being some of the best songs of all time.

musically (musically), Monday, 27 March 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

This is Mr. Guterman's website. He's awfully fond of useability and Sandinista!.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 27 March 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Hah, Jimmy was a consulting editor at the dot-com I used to work for. Forgot all about him... Nice guy. Whip-smart.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 27 March 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I wrinkled my little nose over those two list books when they came out but the website convinces me that he seems like a decent enough sort.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 27 March 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

32. Do not record cover versions of Motown or Stax/Volt hits.

the slits, "i heard it through the grapevine"

mts (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 27 March 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Live records should reflect what a performance actually sounded like when it occured. We loved the Talking Heads' Stop Making Sense until we found out how many studios were used for postproduction.

Find a counterexample? He did all the work for us.

Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Monday, 27 March 2006 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"Yeah, I wrinkled my little nose over those two list books when they came out but the website convinces me that he seems like a decent enough sort."

Guterman's book on Jerry Lee Lewis, "Rocking My Life Away," is terrific and I recommend it highly. And you can read it on his website, if I'm not mistaken. The two "list books" I didn't like much. The "Worst Records" book has a shrill tone of condescenion and humorlessness, even if most of the records included *are* awful. George Grimac and Pat Reeder wrote a much better version of that type of book with "Hollywood Hi Fi."

James, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link


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