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I guess it started when I took notice of the Eddy/Kogan tandem biggin’ up this stuff, and then there was that ancient thread where Anthony bitched about the lack of country in FT focus group and then put up a list of 2001 country singles that should have been included. So I started downloading bout a year ago… and now I’m hooked BIG TIME! Along with a few of my friends - this stuff is totally infectious. I’ve noticed that majority of people over here hate Nashville MOR-country-pop’s guts… but, as I’ve never been to USA, have never heard any of it anywhere in Croatia/Europe, and am completely detached from its culture and audience, to me it’s fascinating… wonderfully exotic even!

I love the identikit twangy voices, the slick pro-tooled-to-death guitars, the swaying steel pedal, teeth-rottingly syrupy arrangements, lyrics about getting drunk, abortion and divorce, warm homely feel, the irresistable tunefulness of it all. Looking at all these elements on screen in sequence, it REALLY shouldn't work, but, magically, for me it does. Ooooh yeah.
I love the joyous alcoholic euphoria of Tracy Byrd’s “Ten Rounds With Jose Cuervo”, galloping majesty of Chely Wright’s “Jezebel”, goofy rural fun of Kenny Chesney’s “She Thinks My Tractor’s Sexy”, sweet doe-eyed frailty of Kasey Chambers’ “Not Pretty Enough”, lushness of Diamond Rio’s “Beautiful Mess”, the wicked Shania-meets-Bangles mashup of Deana Carter's "There's No Limit", the I-look-like-the-guy-from-Creed-yeah-you’d-never-guess-I-sing-like-this-huh?-ness of Joe Nichols’ “Brokenheartsville”…
Dammit, I've even grown to appreciate the anthemic qualities of “Have You Forgotten?” after initally playing it just for laughs! (I guess, not living in America, I could afford the luxury to do so, and I can’t fault anyone from over there who can’t stomach the lyric in any way.)
(But still… “It took all the footage off my TV/ Said it’s too disturbing for you and me/ It’ll just breed anger, that’s what the experts say/ If it was up to me, I’d show it EVERY DAY!”… and the way he sings “and we vow to get the ones behind Bin LADUHN”… haha… sorry, it’s still funny!)

So… I want more download recommendations! Extra points for pointing me in the way of more tunes in the vein of “Ten Rounds With Jose Cuervo”. Also, I’m planning to write a column about it one of these days, so I want to learn as much as I can. Here’s a few questions for starters:

- Are there any country clubs where people dance to this stuff, like in say hip hop/house clubs? Or is it kept to the domain of bars?

- I seem to vaguely recall some talk from few years back about the first country boyband… has this ever happened?

- This is supposed to be rural stuff, but how much is it actually popular in the cities? What kind of audiences/people listen to it? This is basically the only thing that inhabits the Billboard singles chart along with hip hop/R&B at the mo – does it mean that it's more popular, and that its fans are less frowned upon nowadays? (ie have the battle crys such as “it’s horrible evil vulgar redneck trash” & “I like everything but country” become less commonplace?)

- What do videos look like? I’ve only seen the one for Joe Nichols’ “Brokenheartsville”, and it struck me as this strange mix of bling-aspiration (champagne, hot chicks, shiny car) and desperate attempt at down-to-earthedness (beer, shithole bar, token old black drunk) – the Nichols dude is such a hunky posterboy Lothario, he looks totally out of place in said shithole bar in an almost grotesque way!

- Could you provide me with any links to good articles about pop country? I’d especially appreciate the ones that shed a light on the way Nashville industry works, since it’s all a mystery to me.

Yes, before you ask, I’ve read the Why I (Don't) Love Country Music thread, but I want more! Oh, and haters – feel free to flame on too. Everybody join the party. Yee-haw!

Mind Taker, Monday, 14 April 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oops. What an embarrasingly long-winded post.

(PS Never mind, I’ll also note that I am totally loving the latest Kelly Willis LP, and am currently warming up to the new Dixie Chicks record, so I might come to even like contemporary country of a more traditional/retro variety. As long as it denies that punk ever existed, I guess – can’t stand alt.country/no depression stuff. Some people on ILX have talked about an exciting bluegrass revival – what should I check out?)

Mind Taker, Monday, 14 April 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Remember about six years ago, when there were those ubiquitous T-Shirts that read "Canadian Girls Kick Ass"?
they were talking about Terri Clark.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I fear I'm becoming the default MOR country cheerleader around here. (Nicely balances my goth tendencies, y'know.) But great thread! I think you really nail a lot of the things I love about contemp. country. There are plenty of things to like ironically, but there's more to genuinely love.

I'll come back when I have more time, but here's a couple of things:
- Are there any country clubs where people dance to this stuff, like in say hip hop/house clubs? Or is it kept to the domain of bars?

Yes, there are clubs. Big-ass clubs.

Also, more ILM country threads (song recommendations in many):
Country Music needs love too!
Nashville Types Who Don't Suck

teeny (teeny), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does Rodney Crowell count? I like him.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

kelly willis counts as mainstream? I like her. I rented the Tim Robbins film "Bob Roberts" recently, and was surprised to see she had a small part in that. Haven't listened too much other mainstream country lately, so I can't help you much on this one.

pauls00, Monday, 14 April 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

The new Jessica Andrews record is very good. Mariah in a ten-gallon newsboy cap.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

No doubt they are neither contempo nor mainstream in this thread's use of such terms, but the Sadies totally kick ass.
http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drf500/f552/f55298ch3u3.jpg

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ha ha. Okay, stop it now. I love "Flash", especially.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just got off the phone with Dallas Good. He was actually really really nice. I had interview Mike the drummer a few times, and was under the impression that he was probably the most (verbally at least) skilled orator, thinking that the Goods were probably mumbly geniuses, but Dallas was very forthcoming with the goods and even invited me to call him back anytime.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

They played a Bloodshot showcase kind of thing in London, which I missed. Next time around, maybe.

I think you're right, though - they don't really belong on this thread.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Their dad & uncle might though.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

- Are there any country clubs where people dance to this stuff, like in say hip hop/house clubs? Or is it kept to the domain of bars?

As teeny pointed out, country dancing is damn near a stadium event. At least, it is in Texas. Imagine a windowless building the size of an airplane hangar, packed with 2-3000 "cowboys" and "cowgirls," all wearing red and purple brushpopper shirts and sporting hats, hats, hats. It's a massive theme party every night.

- I seem to vaguely recall some talk from few years back about the first country boyband… has this ever happened?

I haven't heard of that, and I doubt it would take off. Cowboys are supposed to be lonely. Being left by a woman and getting drunk just doesn't require more than one person.

- This is supposed to be rural stuff, but how much is it actually popular in the cities? What kind of audiences/people listen to it? This is basically the only thing that inhabits the Billboard singles chart along with hip hop/R&B at the mo – does it mean that it's more popular, and that its fans are less frowned upon nowadays? (ie have the battle crys such as “it’s horrible evil vulgar redneck trash” & “I like everything but country” become less commonplace?)

It is rural stuff, but that means less than it used to. Even if you drive a tractor all day, if you put on a vaguely fruity costume every weekend and go dancing at someplace where they play mass-produced, mass-consumed pop music, how different are you from the city slickers?

I don't know about other cities, but this kind of thing is huge in Texas. Houston, Dallas... well, you can just imagine. Does it go on in Chicago and New York? Well... yeah, probably. Like I said, it's pop music. The kids are digging it everywhere you look.

- What do videos look like? I’ve only seen the one for Joe Nichols’ “Brokenheartsville”, and it struck me as this strange mix of bling-aspiration (champagne, hot chicks, shiny car) and desperate attempt at down-to-earthedness (beer, shithole bar, token old black drunk) – the Nichols dude is such a hunky posterboy Lothario, he looks totally out of place in said shithole bar in an almost grotesque way!

You seem to have a pretty firm handle on the aesthetic here. It's exactly what it looks like. It's some pretty hilarious shit.

- Could you provide me with any links to good articles about pop country? I’d especially appreciate the ones that shed a light on the way Nashville industry works, since it’s all a mystery to me.

I'd be interested in links like that myself. Anyone?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

There have been a number of Country Boybands, with marginal success.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do remember Brooks and Dunn. Kind of a country Milli-Vanilli. Instead of boybands, I guess you could call them Manbands.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Marshall Dillon was one, Emerson Drive was another.

B&D are semi-legit

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

They aren't bad. But the big bushy mustaches cast doubt on all kinds of things.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh yeah, the schtick has really overpowered everything else in a lot of c/m c/w.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Here's my review of a recent Terri Clark concert


I'll admit it, I was skeptical.

Of all the musical genres that I cover, I tend to look the least favourably upon mainstream country. Quite reasonably, I think, I've been turned off by the cavalcade of vacuous divas and pop-chart crossovers. But seeing Terri Clark perform the other night has convinced me that, in dismissing an entire genre, I've certainly missed out on some great music.

Though there were some moments that reflected the cheesier side of modern Nashville (the light show, for example, was hard to bear), Clark's performance overall was, in a word, electrifying. The Alberta-bred singer is possessed of a voice that seems to know no limit. From the all-out rowdiness of Clark's signature kiss-off songs like "I Just Wanna Be Mad" (a recent No. 1 hit on the U.S. country charts) and "Better Things To Do" to quieter ballads, Clark's voice deftly shifted from brassy and sometimes bluesy to powerfully soft.

Clark is no diva. She was dressed as casually as she spoke, in a white tank-top, denim jacket, bluejeans, and her trademark white cowboy hat. She was self-deprecating and humble as she addressed the audience. Where her contemporaries might hide behind vocoders, arena-rock production values, and bombastic power ballads, Clark lets her songs sell themselves on their own merits. She really excels in the hard-driving, uptempo honky-tonkers. She not only let her voice soar during these songs, but she also proved herself a fairly mean guitarist during some of them -- something you're not likely to see from another certain un-named Canadian-born international country superstar.

Songs like "Three Mississippi," the Warren Zevon-penned "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me" and "You're Easy on the Eyes" really exemplified the best aspects of country music: real emotion, sung in plain words with unpretentious passion.

At one point, the band left the stage, leaving Clark alone on a stool with her acoustic guitar. From there, she recreated her early experiences as a struggling singer in Nashville, when she used to sing for tips at the Tootsie's Orchid Lounge, legendary for a clientele that once included country music giants like Willie Nelson and Harlan Howard. Clark paid tribute to her heroes in a medley that included songs made famous by the Judds and Loretta Lynn, among others.

One of the most gratifying things to see onstage was that Clark's band acted and played like a real band. A talented bunch of players, they seemed to really be enjoying themselves, in contrast to other modern country bands where the players often come across as little more than bored hired hands.

My sole complaint is with the lights. A battery of multi-hued spotlights pivoted about throughout the concert, frequently shining directly into the eyes of the audience. This was at best embarrassing, and at worst painful. But there was nothing at all wrong with Terri Clark's dynamic performance. She gained a fan in me on this night.

Teenaged opening act Adam Gregory also put on a high-energy performance and, without a doubt, delighted his small army of admirers. I know it's been mentioned before in these pages, but it's worth noting again that when Gregory puts aside his guitar, he seems lost, as if he's not sure what to do with his hand that isn't holding a microphone. Somebody get that boy a tambourine. He's not without charisma and talent, but without his guitar he looks like an awkward cross between John Mellancamp and the Monkees' Davy Jones onstage.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 14 April 2003 18:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I first played Kenny Chesney's "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy", I misheard 'She says she's got a dream, I ask her what it is' as 'She says she's got a brain, I ask her what it is', haha!

One thing I'm curious about country clubbing - are any drugs popular among the punters, or is it just alcohol all the way? I probably already know the answer, but to us Europeans clubbing without drugs is like, I don't know, sex without genitals! Cowboys on E - oh how it would amuse me if it were so...

Mind Taker, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 18:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've fallen into the habit of leaving CMT on my television any time I'm in my room. I used to do this with BET. Flameworthy awards were a highlight. Country rockers have been studying MTV like mad it seems. Toby Keith is like Nashville's Jay-Z. The Johhny Cash HURT video is getting crazy airplay. Prior to playing they usually show a testimonial from a country artist solemnly praising the Mark Romanek video like it's high art. Don't they get that the video's kinda funny? Johnny Cash's career as a country singer is compared to Christ getting nailed to a cross via heavy handed symbolism for christ sakes!

theodore fogelsanger, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread! You were most helpful. And I agree with Teeny that it'd great if more people listened to Nasshville pop, coz having wide-ranging discussions about it in ILM pop-talk stylee would be a riot.

Mind Taker, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 11:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Plus, the video ("Hurt") is totally a rip off of Soderberg's second best movie, The Limey (the best being Schizopolis, of course).

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

It seems to be quite popular in some karaoke bars in Chicago.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm still waiting for somebody to argue with/agree with/comment on the stuff I said on that other link, before my defense of commercial country scared everybody away. Here it is again. Go for it, y'all:

Nashville Types Who Don't Suck

chuck, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best new country album I've heard in the last couple months, by the way, is the new one by the Kentucky Headhunters, who I never thought about much before (despite kinda liking their big hit about eating slaw and drinking "bottles of Ski" down at Dumas Walker's a few years back.) Anyhoo, their new one is even more an r&b album than anything Brooks & Dunn, Toby Keith, or Faith Hill (or maybe even Leann Rimes)have done -- at least half of it is BLATANTLY soul music, and the final cut is as southern-rock as Montgomery Gentry at their hardest.

chuck, Wednesday, 16 April 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

What is mainstream anyway?

Ryan Adams, Lambchop and Wilco have sold considerably more albums worldwide than at least most mainstream country acts have, haven't they?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

the new one by the Kentucky Headhunters

Damn, didn't know they were still around. I like the description of the album because it sounds like what you're also trying to say is, "And it's what Lambchop are trying to do but these guys are better at it, goddammit!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir don't know his math if he think Wilco (not to mention freaking Lambchop) have even approached Toby Keith in sales. Glance at a Billboard every now and then Geir!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
"Waiting" by Deana Carter (with Dwight Yoakum) is a GREAT song. The guitars on this song totally sound like Pearl Jam, it's funny.

God I fucking love Yoakum. Anybody heard his new album??

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 July 2003 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

No!

Not to anything in particular, just this entire thread.

David Allen, Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

i listen to it alot.
maybe an hour a day on the radio, and these are some i like.

1) Whiskey for my men, Beer for my Horses-Toby Kieth and Willie Nelson
(wonderful singalong chorus, almost makes up the qausi facism)
2)Tell Me Something Bad About Tulsa-George Strait
(tulsa is one of those great country locations, and straits vocals make it sound so lonely)
3)Three Wooden Crosses, Randy Travis
it has a hooker, a teacher, a preacher and a farmer, the hooker lives--over the top highway grotesqurie(sp) and a good return to form)
4)Love Letters From Old Mexico-Leslie Satcher
not as much radio play as it needs to, a tammy/lorreta moment of middle age romantic isolation, with some of the prettiest melodies ive heard.
5) whoever sings the karoke song that subtly parodies the politics of fame.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:22 (twenty years ago) link

If by #5 you mean "Celebrity," it's Brad Paisley who sings it and he's a real clever songwriter. His last album was pretty great.

"Beer For My Horses" is reprehensible. It's not quasi-fascist, it's nostalgia for mob rule--better string them "gangsters" up. Has anyone called Willie on this? A shame too, because Keith has had some great singles ("Who's Your Daddy?" esp) but he's developed a fierce commitment to his blackheaded political agenda. It's Charlie Daniels all over again.

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 13 July 2003 04:22 (twenty years ago) link

oh yeah, the lyrics are reprhensible(sp), but the songcraft is so well done, and it is really the best hooks ive heard in country in a long time--but we forgive charlie and explain away merle dont we ?

brad paisley, i should have known, gr8 voice, good lyrics, and discovered by dolly, who really should be getting more radio play, as she has released some of the best albums of her career.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 13 July 2003 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
REVIVE. I just got George Strait's '50 Number Ones' 2cd (out today) and it is pretty fucking amazing, though I confess I know nothing about contempo-country. What else floats boats? Anthony where are you?

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

By now, you might be alble to get video off cmt.com. Good source of new anyway, and Chet Flippo and others sometimes have good columns and reviews. Also check the Rolling Country Thread on this site.And villagevoice.com, for reviews by(for instance): Chuck Eddy, Frank Kogan, Keith Harris, Robert Christgau, James Hunter, Tom Smucker,Matt Cibula, Scott Seward, and me (Don Allred). Be sure to put names in quotes when you search on there. Also see comments by Matt, Scott, and Me (and mebbe some others I've missed) at http:// thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/

Don, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Good source of *news*" I meant re cmt.com. Another good country reviewer on villagevoice.com is Kandia Crazy Horse.

Don, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

So that's where the Freelance Mentalist meme came from.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

?

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Think he's noticing I went freemental and mentioned "me" a couple times and Capped the second. Take it away, Toby K.:"I wanna talk about me-me-me-me!"

Don, Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:17 (nineteen years ago) link


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