C/D: David Sylvian's BLEMISH

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Sounds great as per Toop's review in the latest WIRE. I like a lot of Sylvian's solo work. How is this one? Anyone have it?

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 2 June 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

Can't wait to hear the track with Fennesz

geeg, Monday, 2 June 2003 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

yeah I got it on friday. the fennez track is by far the best thing on there, classic fennez, works great w/sylvian vocals. the solo tracks are pretty good. the derek bailey tracks will either take a lot of getting used to for me, or I'll never get used to them; while I'm not toooo familiar with most of his work, i'm gathering it's the type of improvisational guitar I'm not crazy about. I was kind of hoping for something a little fahey-esque and instead got what sounds like pretty random acoustic slapping.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 2 June 2003 21:38 (twenty years ago) link

Ned to thread!

(Actually that is really gratuitous because I know nothing about Japan and don't actually know whether Ned likes them / him but I'm presuming he might.)

I am too drunk. I almost announced that I have unresolved issues with Miccio / Patrin / in NYC.

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 2 June 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

i missed the review (sub to wire expired), but this sounds...weird. i have to hear it.

c'mon cozen, while yer drunk: get those issues in the open!

gaz (gaz), Monday, 2 June 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

Ned to thread!

Lurv Japan and Sylvian both, haven't heard this yet. Oh well. Soon, I'm sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 June 2003 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

I think I'll pick it up just to hear what it sounds like. Totally intriguing collaborators for Sylvian. I just can't imagine what he and Bailey must sound like together (I'm sure the Fennesz collaboration is lovely) so I'll have to get it.
Cool thing is Sylvian's also in the midst of recording with Steve Jansen again.
There's also a nice free mp3 of "Orpheus" done live in '88 on his site.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 00:12 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
Wow. This is classic. The only hivemind album I've heard so far that I've liked (um, I don't 'get' the Echoes & The Present Lover love).

David. (Cozen), Friday, 12 September 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

nine months pass...
Oh well. Soon, I'm sure.

So much for soon, I just got it yesterday. But I think it's pretty darned great.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 June 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

My tastes have diverged a lot since then, but this is like the only album from 2003 that I still consistently listen to

Amazing how natural the Bailey songs sound after 10000 listens (though the quality of uneasiness is still in tact)

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 13 June 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

if any song from the past four years has been an Instant Classic it's "A Fire in the Forest"

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 13 June 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
still good

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

yes it is

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

good, yes.
not too sure 'bout the remixes, tho.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
really stupid question: is "the only daughter" supposed to have weird hiccuping and skipping sounds in it? i'm not sure if my cd's fucked or not.

s/g, Friday, 2 June 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

that might be the guitar, son

jewess harvell (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

sonned.

s/g, Friday, 2 June 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't listened to it in a while, so yr disc may actually be fucked.

jewess harvell (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, it is. your's may be too weird, though, in which case it's fucked.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

great album btw

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 3 June 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

Not a big Sylvian listener, though i've been loving Manafon lately. is blemish as good/similar?

Lowell N. Behold'n, Friday, 25 September 2009 06:11 (fourteen years ago) link

haven't heard manofon yet but if it's even a fraction as good as blemish it must be pretty spectacular

damo tsu tsuki (r1o natsume), Friday, 25 September 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

It's very very good. We've been talking about it here:

David Sylvian S/D

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 September 2009 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Still haven't got Manafon (reminder to self!). Was thinking there'd be a vinyl issue..

Blemish is certainly wonderful. Get it.

Duke, Friday, 25 September 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

this album is perfect

hotel califor.nia (r1o natsume), Sunday, 9 May 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

this is such a frustrating album, 3/4 of it is so wonderful but i hate the derek bailey tracks.

ufo, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:33 (two years ago) link

Not a fan of him either but I gotta disagree, David makes it all work. This album is incredibly captivating.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link

bailey's dissonant acoustic noodling just does absolutely nothing for me, which is a shame bc sylvian's glitchy ambient pop across the rest of the album is incredible

ufo, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 01:27 (two years ago) link

dissonant acoustic noodling

this is a somewhat unfair dismissal of bailey who worked hard at developing an idiosyncratic, non-tonal (i.e. neither tonal nor atonal) language on guitar. there is definite structure there, it's just more at the micro level. ofc it's fine to intuitively dislike something ... perhaps it helps to approach his work more as pure texture or even as a rhythmic element? in this sense it's not far removed from what, say, keith levene was doing in pil, or arto lindsay in dna

one of the reasons their collaboration is interesting to me is that sylvian was able to tease out some of the harmonic implications of bailey's playing that otherwise might get lost when listening to him in a purely free improvisatory context (see also bailey's ballads and standards where he structures his solo improvisations around conventional jazz tunes)

missingNO, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 03:15 (two years ago) link

anyway, i enjoyed this recent post detailing the production of "a fire in the forest". it's to my mind the clear highlight of the album and maybe sylvian's most beautiful song ...

https://sylvianvista.com/2021/09/24/a-fire-in-the-forest/

missingNO, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 03:26 (two years ago) link

i posted about this the other day on a different thread but fans of sylvian should check out melaine dalibert's recent solo piano recordings on elsewhere. sylvian designed the cover art for all of the releases and contributed electronic textures to one (linked below). it's really beautiful music

https://elsewheremusic.bandcamp.com/album/night-blossoms

missingNO, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 03:40 (two years ago) link

i think if bailey's guitar was working at a more textural level i'd appreciate it more, but when it's the only backing to sylvian's voice, as it is on their tracks on the album, it's just not for me at all

"a fire in the forest" is brilliant, i also really like their other collaboration "venice" from fennesz's transit. i wish they'd done more like those together

ufo, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 04:01 (two years ago) link

yeah an album or something of songs in that style would've been amazing

i hadn't thought about it like this until i read that article but likening their collaboration as a similar process to what sylvian had done decades earlier with "ghosts" makes perfect sense

missingNO, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 04:12 (two years ago) link

idk i just finished revisiting this album and the tracks w/ bailey remain startlingly impactful ... just so stark and raw and uncompromising and emotionally direct. easily for me among the highlights of sylvian's career

missingNO, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 04:50 (two years ago) link

yeah I disagree as well, the Bailey stuff on here is extremely strong and this album works in multitudes of ways that the follow up did not, for me.

akm, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 14:10 (two years ago) link

i like blemish a lot, but it isn't something i can listen to very often. i actually prefer the remix album.

have to agree on "a fire in the forest" being the clear highlight. i had a strong obsession with "last songs" for a good chunk of my life (and still do, to a certain degree) and i once declared david sylvian one of the masters of the form. if you go back through his catalogue (solo and otherwise), he seems to have mastered 'wrapping up the whole album in one track.' and i think, probably along with "darkest dreaming" from dead bees on a cake, "a fire in the forest" is maybe his best song in that respect and possibly overall.

here's a super simple, but (imo) super effective re-edit of the remix, that i did for "a fire in the forest" many years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vc0uR86yI

it was intended for dj'ing and dancefloor sets, but i can't imagine anybody wanting to dance to those lyrics lol.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 14:53 (two years ago) link

OK why have I, a Sylvian fan of long standing, never listened to this album? It's FUCKING AMAZING.
I guess I was put off by Dead Bees and never went back.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link

yeah dunno, but it's a complete 180 from Dead Bees (which I like)

akm, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 22:36 (two years ago) link

i prefer manafon to the bailey tracks on blemish (though neither is my thing much at all) but i significantly prefer the rest of blemish to manafon.

i love dead bees on a cake, the expanded tracklist from the reissue a few years ago that adds in the outtakes added in is an improvement too.

ufo, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 23:31 (two years ago) link

Dead Bees is lovely but the initial release feels like cafe music to me. I want weird from Sylvian.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 23:48 (two years ago) link

The Bailey pieces on Blemish started as improvisations, but the guitar parts were all selected, layered and edited by Sylvian, at which point he wrote melodies and lyrics to complement the guitar pieces; so it's not quite as much "Derek scribbles on David's songs" as it might appear.
That said, the results are amazing on the first Bailey track, "The Good Son", and the remaining two seem a little like more-of-the-same afterthoughts to me. "How Little We Need to Be Happy", as a lyric, is a great set-up for the change towards hopefulness that the album undergoes at that point, but the music doesn't support the emotional arc.

I have to laugh at this post upthread:

My tastes have diverged a lot since then, but this is like the only album from 2003 that I still consistently listen to

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, June 13, 2004

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 00:38 (two years ago) link


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