Defend the indefensible: Mick Jagger Solo

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I can't. Not even based on Performance.

J (Jay), Friday, 20 June 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

You're sitting down on your butt
And your get greedy
You start to lose your nuts
Don't you look seedy
Can generosity bring you humility
So take a deep breath

Ain't gonna sweat for you
Ain't gonna sigh for you
Ain't gonna cry for you
If you're lazy

Ain't gonna slave for you
Ain't gonna hurt for you
It just won't work for you
If you're lazy

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't mind "Just Another Night," but more for the utterly ridiculous video than for the song itself.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

If it weren't for Mick Jagger solo we wouldn't have gotten "Talk is Cheap."

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

You're supposed to defend him.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

Where's Jann Wenner? Wasn't Goddess In the Doorway something like "best album ever"?

ham on rye (ham on rye), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.rollingstonesnet.com/images/Let

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone else ever fallen so far for so long? I can't think of another great rock star who has absolutely no defenders anymore.

Ben Williams, Friday, 20 June 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

I'm one of the biggest Stones fans you'll find but even I can't do this.

I was really excited to hear Wandering Spirit because of Rick Rubin's involvement, but it was the same ole Mick dreck.

His best non-Stones stuff has been collaborations with others, "Don't Look Back" with Peter Tosh and "State of Shock" with the Jacksons.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

don't you look seedy, mr. diamond!

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't he do a single with the Jacksons? Like "State of Shock" or something?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

erm... "seedy"?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

(glad to see Alex reads my posts)

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

I like Alejandro Escovedo's version of "Evening Gown", which was from Wandering Spirit.

ham on rye (ham on rye), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

The hidden track on Goddess (a country blues tune with just Mick and a piano) is really, really nice. There was one other decent song on there. That's about as good as I can do.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

this is obviously impossible, but if you really want to do the research check the last track on the most recent one. is it called Goddess? I can't remember. There's this weird track of a recording of him in a hotel lobby or something? I'm not sure...it's really great though

steve k (http://go.to/stevek) (stevek10), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

(glad to see steve k reads my posts)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

"Party Doll" from 'Primitive Cool' was OK

dave q, Friday, 20 June 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

A friend of mine said that WWII spy movie with Kate Winslet was okay.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

Rolling Stone gave Goddess in the Doorway five stars, so somebody out there must like it.

Evan (Evan), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

yes, Jann "Mick Jagger's old business partner" Wenner

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

Keith Richards by himself is equally unbearable.

But isn't the "Performance" OST version of "Memo From Turner" officially a Jagger-only song?

Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:03 (twenty years ago) link

Keith Richards solo is great. Talk is Cheap was a fuck of a lot better than Dirty Work.

And Live at the Hollywood Palladium was a wonderful, fun record.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

Keith Richards solo, while disappointing, is not indefensible. That's why this thread is about Mick Jagger solo.

However, I will check out that missing track from Goddess, although there's no way that fucker's getting me to buy his CD.

J (Jay), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

Mick Jagger is looking more and more like Linda Hunt, who at this point is probably a better songwriter.

ham on rye (ham on rye), Friday, 20 June 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

my lord, "Let's Work" came on VH1 Classicks - very hard to believe he'll ever do anything worse than that (ie. the only way is up!)

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 20 June 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

"Let's Work" is indeed the pits. Talk is Cheap has some good stuff but this thread isn't about him etc.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 20 June 2003 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

i like the song he does on the late 80's SNL rerun I somehow manage to see every once in a while ("I don't evah wanna see yaw picture no mo'", whatever it's called).

Al (sitcom), Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

dint he do that one with bill laswell?

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 21 June 2003 02:41 (twenty years ago) link

I know it's not about him, sorry, but I really love "Talk is Cheap"! 'Take it So hard', 'Locked Away', 'You Don't Move Me', blah blah... luckt it was recorded when he could still sing to some extent. Actually count this completely unrelated post as a bit of defence of Jagger, his solo stuff leading to this record was a good thing. If I see one of his solos for $1 I might get it and try again...

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 21 June 2003 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

"God Gave Me Everything" was kinda ridiculous, not least for the inclusion of Lenny Kravitz (with whom he also descrated Bill Withers' "Use Me" sometime earlier).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 June 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

Since this is turning into a 'Talk is Cheap' thread I'll say I just like it better all the time too! "How I Wish", "Struggle" and "Make No Mistake" especially

dave q, Saturday, 21 June 2003 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

one of life's great mysteries ... the guy who co-wrote some of the greatest rock songs evah also wrote "let's work."

"mick likes a lot of shit" -- keith richards.

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 June 2003 11:32 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, "Struggle" is great. "Whip It Up" too!!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 21 June 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

he shoulda just made disco albums. he has nobody to blame but himself though. when you have access to just about any and every songwriter and musician on earth-most of whom would be happy to play or write with you-and this-this,being most of his solo stuff-is what you come up with...? it's just weird.

scott seward, Saturday, 21 June 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

the ABSOLUTE BEST bit in 'American Psycho' is when someone says they saw Jagger at a party and Bateman sez "Oh yeah I know who he is...'Just another night, just another night...'"

dave q, Saturday, 21 June 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

sly and robbie+slash on guitar+emotional rescue falsetto+ a song even half as good as one hit to the body= a hit every time! maybe. i mean it ain't brain surgery.

scott seward, Saturday, 21 June 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

I dug "God Gave Me Everything I Want" as much as any of Keith's solo stuff (which does seem a bit more consistent overall, I'll admit).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 June 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

Ha! I just won tickets in the residents' ballot to see The Rolling Stones when they play the Twickenham Stadium in August.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 21 June 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

(two questions: 1. how long will it be before Graham is forced to create a "Defend the Indefensible" category... and 2. Wouldn't Defend the Indefensible be a great name for an Emo band?)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

2. Wouldn't Defend the Indefensible be a great name for an Emo band?

"defend the indefensible: emo" is a great idea for a thread!

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

< insdistinct voice from within the cornfield>
If you post it...they will come...
< /insdistinct voice from within the cornfield>

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

His backing vocals on Carly Simon's "You're So Vain" make it her best-ever song.

But if you REALLY wanna howl, check out his work with "Papa" John Phillips..."She's Only 14" especially.

Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Sunday, 22 June 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

In the 2001 Pazz & Jop, three critics voted for Goddess in the Doorway: Carol Cooper, J. Eric Smith, and David Wild. I don't remember reading any Smith and Wild, but Carol Cooper is no dummy, and the fact she likes it makes me want to hear it (though I haven't yet). She also voted for Brooks & Dunn, Fela Kuti, and 3LW. Wild voted for Tony Bennett. Smith voted for Bjork and for Afroman. The latter vote makes me want to read some Smith.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 June 2003 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
royally defensible

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

Mick Jagger to Get Knighthood From Queen
She's the Boss.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

now mick is just another knight

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha!

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Keith Richards is not amused.

The legendary Rolling Stones' guitarist has flown into a rock and roll rage against Mick Jagger over the singer's decision to accept a knighthood, the ultimate nod from the British establishment.

"I don't want to step out onstage with someone wearing a coronet and sporting the old ermine," Richards told British music magazine "Uncut" in an expletive-rich interview.

"I told Mick it's a paltry honor ... It's not what the Stones is about, is it?"

The Stones, still rocking after 40 years, made their names with crunching rock classics including "Satisfaction," "Street Fighting Man" and "Brown Sugar."

A 1967 Stones' album was entitled "Their Satanic Majesties Request."

Despite his near spotless rebel credentials(????), Jagger, 60, is scheduled to become "Sir Mick" at a Buckingham Palace ceremony on December 12.

He will join British musicians Paul McCartney and Elton John who have already been knighted by Queen Elizabeth with a touch of the sword.

Richards' own chances of arising Sir Keith, already thought slim after 59 years of hard living, will have receded even further.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

I thought that was Richard Manuel playing drums! Wonder why they didn't show pictures of him with the Band like they did with Sebastian, McGuinn and dude from the Rascals.

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

Waitaminute if that is Manuel, it was probably filmed right before he killed himself. That is sad.

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

My favorite Mick solo tune: "Throwaway," one helluva rocker from '87 with fiery Jeff Beck guitar.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

xpost and, uh yeah, pics of Ronnie Spector too, duh.

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

kinda like that song.

tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

^^very yacht.

Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 August 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link

WHHUU-UH-UH-UHT THE FUUUUUUUCK IIIIIISSS GOOOOO--IIIIIING AWWWWN?

― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, August 4, 2011 4:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

goole, Friday, 5 August 2011 00:36 (twelve years ago) link

jesus christ that video. I had to watch it twice now. I guess that's what happens when you form a band almost entirely consisting of singers.

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 5 August 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link

maybe entirely? not sure about bass player dude from NRBQ

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 5 August 2011 00:40 (twelve years ago) link

This needs Annie Lennox.

saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Friday, 5 August 2011 00:58 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

My heart is deep in the countraay
But I life for the citaaaaay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY0B8x8enb8

buzza, Friday, 13 January 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

He'll always have Don't Tear Me Up, which is better than any Rolling Stones song from the last uh, 30 years.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 14 January 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

Morbid curiosity about video with Richard Manuel upthread

Fotheringeir (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

Yikes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlXnJgJJzck

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link

I remember seeing this at the time, everyone was talking about it the next day.

don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

This thread exists so that one of us can post the latest version of "Let's Work" some hardy soul uploaded.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

And I am glad for that.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

Eurgh.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

The songs with the Red Devils (link above is dead) are actually pretty decent. Not great, not as good as the Red Devils' album without Mick Jagger, but decent.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 10 September 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link

I liked She's the Boss when it came out. Decent band line up too, Laswell and his normal group of cronies who also worked on the Burning World (Swans) and PIL's Album.

akm, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 04:20 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

tears of laughter:

http://youtu.be/_li_d_YviZ4

Darin, Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Ha ha, came here two years later to post that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHkhIjG0DKc

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 September 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN9YLLQl7gE

Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link

trenchant social commentary

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:42 (three years ago) link

Finally -- a worse song than "Let's Work"!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link

According to the comments, naysayers are just jealous of Mick's physique.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link

I haven't bought a record Mick Jagger has been involved with since 1992, and I kinda hate Dave Grohl and most of what he stands for, but I don't get what's so uniquely terrible about this. I mean it's exactly as not good as I would have imagined it would be, but it doesn't even crack the top 1000 most terrible things I have ever heard

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link

It's fine. I mean, this track woulda fit on Too Much Too Soon just fine and even a weak-ish Dolls album is still the Dolls.

I'm just glad Mick (or Dave for that matter) aren't on the COVIDiot thread.

(I realize the anti-science faction of Foo Fighters doesn't technically include Grohl but he is the fightingest of Foos and he let that shit happen.)

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 01:31 (three years ago) link

Don’t know whether to FP you or report you to Robert Christgau for that comment.

Lol, Alfred.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 01:44 (three years ago) link

Ripping off the Puss in Boots riff doesnt mean it sounds like the Dolls ffs.

everything, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 04:53 (three years ago) link

Ah yes, nothing like having the 77 year old man worth 400 millions tell you everything’s gonna be ok and he wants to get freaky.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 14:42 (three years ago) link

I played this like 8 times in a row this morning. I think I got addicted to a) how much it sucks as well as b) how much it doesn't suck.

zacata, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 14:44 (three years ago) link

The Rolling Stone interview is actually pretty good.

Why did you decide to write about conspiracy theories?

It just seems to be that even people you know that are relatively sensible about a lot of things have one thing that they just don’t kind of get. I have several friends and relations and they go off on these things that just doesn’t… They’re just irrational. Of course, there’s no point in speaking to people about it. They don’t get it. They got what they believe in and they believe in that. And it doesn’t matter what you say, they’re gonna believe in it. And rational thought doesn’t work.

Even a country like France that prided themselves in the 18th Century on rationality is the most anti-vaccine country in Western democracy. It’s not as if [vaccines] are a new thing. When I was a child, which was a really long time ago, people would die from polio. They would just not be there the next day. And that’s been eradicated through vaccines. These poor children were either dead or crippled, and I had lots of friends like that. Would you rather have a vaccine if you had a child or would you rather their legs not work? You can’t argue with these people. So that’s how I got to the conspiracy theories; through the anti-vaxxers. Even I didn’t mention it in that verse; I probably should’ve though [since] I just went off on it. [Laughs]

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 14:50 (three years ago) link

Just listened… It was better than I thought it would be! I like the chorus.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link

I imagine Van Morrison listened to it and went 'this, but unironically'.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link

Lol

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link

someone pls poll the individual lyrics of this song

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 16:22 (three years ago) link

The one that goes like - "Am I gaining weight?, think I'll have another drink, then I'll clean the kitchen sink" - hits very close to home for me, lol

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link

It's not what I would call a good song, but having listened to it all the way through I sort of like it. Actually laughed out loud at "Everybody sing 'Please Please me.'"

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link

i wish there could be a vaccine to un-hear mick saying "everything's smooth and greasy"

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link

I understand Mick originally wanted the vocals buried in the mix of the Stones stuff so people would buy the records and try to decipher the lyrics. With every line ignominiously splattered across the screen in this video, I guess those days are gone!

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link

I wonder how many people don't even know he plays guitar.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link

Disappointed Dave Stewart isn’t involved

Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link

If we poll the lyrics, I'm voting for "see my poncy books/ teach myself to cook."

Even though the song is in many ways aggressively stupid, there's something kind of sweet about it too, imo; it feels like the same friendly version of Mick that we saw in that "You Can't Always Get What You Want" video at the very beginning of lockdown.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link

XP DAVE GROHL IS THE NEW DAVE STEWART

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 17:35 (three years ago) link

"Disappointed Dave Stewart isn’t involved"
or Greg Kurstin for that matter

HuskerDoolittle, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link

I wonder how many people don't even know he plays guitar.

― but also fuck you (unperson),

A friend told me what a shock it was in 1978 to see him strumming an electric guitar onstage.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link

Lily Dale otm.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Curiosity got the best of me (and also because I had been listening to a lot of Jeff Beck lately). I can't say I'll play those first two albums ever again, but they both had one cut apiece that I'm sticking on a reference disc for '80s Stones music: the title track of She's The Boss and "Party Doll." The former fits in pretty well between the dance-oriented keepers from Undercover and "Harlem Shuffle" - suggests a logical path in terms of where Jagger wants to go musically. "Party Doll" sounds pretty good coming between the angrier Dirty Work cuts and Keith's own "Take It So Hard," where you hear something like a dialogue between Mick and Keith after the band falls apart.

And Wandering Spirit is actually commendable, mostly for the quieter cuts - nothing earthshaking, but removed from whatever marketing hype that must've surrounded it back then, it's surprisingly a decent album, at least to me. He does a really good version of "Handsome Molly," a great folk song I was very familiar with thanks to Dylan. (see the 1962 Gaslight tape that's a favorite among collectors - Starbucks put out most of it on a CD in 2005)

birdistheword, Friday, 16 February 2024 07:08 (two months ago) link


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