TS: Corgan vs. Yorke - NO HOLDS BARRED

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Remember, Billy Corgan vs. Thom Yorke. Feel free to keep their bands in or out of it as you seem fit.

Make it brutal and hold back nothing.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 26 June 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like Yorke but fuck me, I actively dislike Corgan.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 June 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

In the Zero vs. Creep debate, you've got to give it to Corgan in the Riffs and Hooks category.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 26 June 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Impossible to choose...though I admit I chase down Corgan's rarities more.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 June 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

2-1 Corgan, then.

I was really expecting/hoping for some unbelievable fanboy-ish rants. Please, bring them.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 26 June 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Thom Yorke gets points for being weirder.

(Ever see the Radiohead documentary? I found myself saying "Holy fuckin shit, Thom Yorke," many a time.)

― David Allen, Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Corgan with hair>Yorke>Corgan bald

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

i would love nothing better than to see the two of them mud wrestle naked. as for who would win, who knows? billy's got size and strength on his side, since he's quite a large man (with shaq hands). but thom is surprisingly agile. i hear he was a hell of a gymnast in high school. even though i like radiohead a lot more than the pumpkins, id have to go with billy, just because (even though Iha is a good guitarist and jimmy's a hell of a drummer) he WAS the pumpkins. In Radiohead, the other four members take on more of a role than the other pumpkins did, so billy wins by sheer egomania alone.

― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

4-2, Corgan.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Thom Yorke has a nice voice. Billy Corgan has one of the worst voices in the history of rock & roll.I pick T.Y. I like Radiohead a lot more than the Pumpkins. There, that was easy. In 10 years, nobody will remember who the Pumpkins were. Actually, most people already don't remember who they were.

― scott seward, Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I beg to differ, they were one of the most successful rock bands of the nineties and by far the most experimental (and successfully so) band of the whole "grunge explosion", whatever that was. and they lasted longer than most of their peers.

― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Thom Yorke, since Smashing Pumpkins had a handful of good songs scattered among mediocre albums, while Radiohead has released good albums.

plus Yorke's voice makes me want to rip my ears off much less.

― ham on rye (ham on rye), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

slap fight! SLAP FIGHT!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm... this gets tougher. Radiohead haven't put out anything I like as much as "Drown" and "1979," but also nothing I hate as much as 95% of Mellon Collie and everything that came after it.

Billy for the singles, Thom for the albums?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

5-4, Corgan. I'm not counting Milo's, since it's a TS.

Yea for slap fights!

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 26 June 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Are there any other choices?

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

gimme a break - Butterbean would slaughter Creepeye!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd rejoice, quietly, at Thom getting the upper hand in a fracas.
And he seems less of a twat anyhoo. (But I'd even join in, perhaps, if the two of them together would jump on Bros G'llagher.) Anyway my vote goes to Yorke.

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

6-5, Corgan. I see a pin coming on! Is that a full nelson?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Yorke was on SGC2C but he was so boring it hurt. Corgan is so much better at coming up with riffs it hurts. Whenever either of them sings I instantly have one of two responses: 1. I MUST STAB YOU 2. ssssllleeeeeeeeepp.

For me this is really about 'creep' versus '1979' and that's really a coin toss, I like both songs but they should have been recorded by other people

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going with Corgan here. Ever since somebody on this board described Yorke's vocals as sounding "like he's falling down a well on every track," I haven't been able to enjoy H.T.T.T. at all. Plus I basically learned how to play guitar by aping "Gish" and "Siamese Dream," so I owe him for that. And Radiohead have never really ROCKED like S.P. did on tracks like "Geek USA" and "Silverfuck." So... CORGAN.

― Ben Boyer, Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, look for my upcoming buddy movie, "Butterbean and Creepeye" (Blount, your royalty check's in the mail).

― Ben Boyer, Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

they're both deeply unpleasant men, as far as i can see. i like yorke's music (and singing) more, so he shades it.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Radiohead vs. Smashing Pumpkins

Billy. Definitely. He wrote better songs. Psychadelic guitar feedback noodling > tinny electronic U2-esque dirges. His voice was excellently wistful on Gish, Siamese Dream, and Pisces Iscariot whereas Thom's voice is just grating.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 27 June 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't decide. Like random songs by both, hate hearing about both. Hate seeing both. Radiohead has more albums I could listen to all the way through though, so maybe they win.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 June 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

neither side is winning. yorke is losing more slowly.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 27 June 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Curtis, I'm not talking about the bands, though they're fair game to bring into the match. As far as I'm concerned, this can be a total ad hominem.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 27 June 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Billy Corgan's apparent influences - Sabbath, Zeppelin, shoegazer-dreampop, goth-rock

Thom Yorke's apparent influences - prog-rock, U2, Pink Floyd when they sucked...

OK, that puts this me firmly in the Corgan column

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 27 June 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

it's refreshing to hear corgan sing (sweetly in parts) rather than sneer with zwan. so, him for the time being.

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Friday, 27 June 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't stand Corgan's voice - it is sour as fuck, and seems unable to do much anything else. Yorke for sure - don't think he's the finest singer in pop, but I love the way he's able to do falsetto-ghostliness and midrange-spitfire.

― Sean M (Sean M), Friday, 27 June 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

As an angst-ridden high schooler during the height of the grunge era, I did like SP, up until Mellon Collie.. and then I realized for the first time upon hearing "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" that alt-rock could suck, and that a rock star in silver pants is actually not cool at all.

I quite like Thom Yorke's weird voice. Radiohead and System of a Down should trade singers for a while, that'd be fun.

― daria g (daria g), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Aarrrrgggghhhhh!!!

This thread offends me on so many levels. I know there's a huge fanbase crossover and all, but ick! ick! I want to wash my mind out with soap just from reading this thread.

Thom Yorke is a beautiful misunderstood genius.
Billy Corgan is a fat, bald, pie-faced whinging cunt.

Please do not mention them in the same universe again. Thank you.

― kate (kate), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i used to love sp in my teen angst days. and gish, siamese dream and adore are all rather good still, although i dont listen to it much now. but corgan at his most exciting, especially in the early days with the crazy psychedelic lsd-enhanced rock with so many hooks it hurts was a million times better than thom york. and as i said adore is good too, better than most of radioheads quiet stuff, cos i can feel the love, but i suspect both corgan and yorke may well be egomaniacs/jerks in reality. havent heard zwan. but corgan wins just cos he's excited me whereas yorke just makes me feel meh most of the time.

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I would actually like to sit down and have drink with Thom Yorke some time, I think he might be an incredibly interesting person to have a rant with if you get enough drink in him.

I would be afraid to imbibe anything around Corgan, because he might get excited and eat me by mistake.

― kate (kate), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

despite all my rage i am still just a wolf at the door

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yes and the video for there, there pretty much sums up everything i dont like about radiohead, all that "look at me, im a sad-english romantic who makes videos with FUCKING MICE PEOPLE (are they mice people he looks in on, or did i just dream that, im still having a hard time accepting that dweezil/tesh thing isnt just a vision of my mind) and with goddammit magic trees and shit too, who the hell does he think he is, RICK FUCKING WAKEMAN!!! that said the guitar line is good.

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Billy corgan is great! One of the funniest guys in rock.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

and the Zwan DVD is so great!

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Until 1995 it was Billy without a doubt. After that, Thom. They should both stop doing interviews though, at least until they learn how to stop whining.

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate do you hate angst???

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 27 June 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"Butterbean and Creepeye"

sounds like some sort of illicit porn euphemism, like "DVDA".

"yeah, i did a 'butterbean & creepeye' scene in my last movie and got paid $2000 for it along..."

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 27 June 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the both of them, but I like Yorke a lot more.

Note: The person who called Billy Corgan fat puzzles me - he is and always has been a thin guy.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 27 June 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

millar is right- out of both catalogues creep and 1979 are both distilled pure genius.the rest is just dreck.

― kelly denison-cole (dustjacket), Friday, 27 June 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, Mr. corgan has been known to show a paunch from time to time, like when they won all those MTV awards. and for a man of his height, as a rock star, fighting the battle against the paunch and losing will only lead to him looking like butterbean in 10 years. trust me, the man can eat.

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 27 June 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Right, then. A small paunch = fat. Okay.

Have I accidentally stumbled into a pro-ana chat room?

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 27 June 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

im not saying a small paunch=fat. im saying that considering billy's status as a rock star and his unending need to be adored by fans as such, you'd think he'd be extremely concerned about his weight, after all, the man was vain enough to shave his head just because his hairline was receding a little. the fact that he's most likely been particular about his weight and still has been seen quite often with a potbelly serves to point out that his metabolism aint exactly what it used to be. plus, as a man of his build (mind you he's 6 foot four with fairly broad shoulders) it's only natural that with age, a rich man's diet, and a lack of exercise, he's going to get larger. plus, he's not on all the drugs he used to be on (except maybe prozac, judging by zwan's latest feel-good rock album). he's bound to get tubby. if you ask me, it suits him, with those big ole' baby cheeks.

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 27 June 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'm not going to die glamorously. I'll probably be eating a Twinkie, take a bite, and fall over."
- Billy Corgan

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 27 June 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Whenever I see Thom Yorke, I wanna give a big mug of black coffee and scream into his face "Open BOTH EYES all the WAY, you SLEEPFARMER!"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 27 June 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I listened to HTTT again and it's works way better as background whatever then any Smashing Pumpkins album. But while Radiohead beats Smashing Pumpkins easy, I'm not sure Yorke beats Corgan, cuz Yorke is the WORST thing about Radiohead, while Corgan is both the worst AND best thing about the SPs. So Corgan wins, rah.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 June 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Genius vs. Genius. Tie.

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Saturday, 28 June 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

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Corgan is fat. Face it. He is built like a freaking PEAR, which is an acceptible build for a middle-aged woman, but not for a pop star. Being fat is something that someone with the amount of money that he has could DO SOMETHING ABOUT, therefore it is HIS FAULT therefore it is OK to hate him for it.

Yorke's eye is the result of botched operations when he was a baby, therefore it is NOT HIS FAULT, therefor it is not OK to hate him for it.

I love Angst! I just hate whining. Corgan loses.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 07:50 (twenty-two years ago)

but why, abroad, does this even seem like a valid comparison? To my ears it's like "TS: Led Zeppelin vs. Climax Blues Band" with Corgan in the latter position.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

kate masonicboom: Isn't that "size-ist" to hate Corgan for his glandular fatty fatty fat fat problem? Besides, he's not a popstar...he's a prog-grunge guy. So essentially he's
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200_web/drp100/p157/p15764et83b.jpg David "Chubs" Gilmour plus http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200_web/drp000/p099/p09964kig82.jpg Tad "Bubblebutt" Doyle all in one.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel like I have the regular love and the love that dare not speak its name here. Sheesh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck that "size-ist" shite. Sure, I can accept that under some conditions, it is not acceptible to take exception to people's weight. Fat is a Feminist Issue - well maybe, but Corgan is A MAN. Fat is a Class Issue - granted, yes, but Corgan is a STINKING RICH POP STAR WHO COULD AFFORD TO PAY OTHER PEOPLE TO EXERCISE FOR HIM.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Well he does hire someone to exercise for him. That's why HE isn't losing weight...
...but his staff of professional exercisers are looking trim and toned.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

If he had his personal trainer singing on Smashing Pumpkins records, I might just like them better!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

No his personal singers quit in disgust.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

But this thread is getting derailed. It is as much about the awfulness of Corgan as it is about the HOTTNESS OF THOM YORKE!!! PHWOOOOARRRRR, ETC!!!

http://www.wezl.org/rhead/multimedia/photo/thom01.jpg

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Awwwwww, look at his tummy! No personal trainers (or singers) needed here!

http://www.wezl.org/rhead/multimedia/photo/thom06.jpg

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

That top picture looks like Shane MacGowan before he started drinking.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Now when I google Billy Corgan, I get this:

http://ga2so.com/images/lone-yoda.jpg

Which choice would you make?

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Scene from Rooster Cogyoda
"Thats big talk from a big-eyed dwarf man"
"hands you will now be filling, you sunavabitch, yeeeessss?"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Which choice would you make?
Yoda. With a gun. == 10000x cooler than Thom Yorke's hairy belly.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Awww. Thom's Hairy tummy = ROOWWRRRR!!!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, I would've never imagined Kate having such a hate-on for Corgan; I mean how bad can the guy be? He uses Big Muff pedals!

Anyway, as for the nickalicious vote, I put mine with Thom Yorke. I actually quite like both their voices, and they are both lyrically very creative and rather unorthodox, and I love a huge number of songs by both. However, I think the main thing for me is I still feel what Yorke is doing, whereas with Billy C., I stopped "feeling" it about 6 years ago. I'll occasionally lose myself in "Thirty-Three" or something, but for the most part li'l Tommy's music simply speaks to me in a way that Billy's don't, and that's it.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Another vote for Yorke sparking that dull, whiny Corgan to the pavement here.

― Alex K (Alex K), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Awww. Thom's Hairy tummy = ROOWWRRRR!!!
More like
Aaargh! Thom's Hairy GUT == Raaacchhhh! (yacks up hairball.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

girls and small children have tummies.
men all have Guts.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

That is a tummy. In fact, I think you'll find it is a THUMMY!!!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Radiohead did not make anyone I knew in high school want to do stupid drugs. Mellon Collie did. Thus, Yorke wins.

This is despite the fact that Corgan is a wrestling fan, which is awesome. I think he even guest-reffed in ECW at some point. Try as I might, I cannot imagine Yorke watching wrestling, though trying is certainly fun.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Fat? This was taken a few months ago.

http://www.foreverfrozenphotography.com/photos/bands/zwan/museum_012703/zwan04.jpg

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

SHAVE BILLY SHAVE

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Radiohead has some of the lamest fans

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I know some Pumpkins fans that would seriously put that to the test. ;-)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the pumpkins had much cuter fans

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

it's rare that i run across a radiohead fan who doesnt also love the pumpkins, and vice versa, so i'd step off the fans argument if i were you.

― Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

it's not rare at all - I'd read the thread if I were you

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't decide if Billy's clown-outfit-ET-induced-breakdown or Thom's platinum blonde Tina Turner hair is funnier. That should be the real issue here.

I would have to pick Thom. His voice doesn't grate on me the way that Billy's does most of the time.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Thom Yorke voice == Bad Cobain impersonation
Billy Bob Corgan's voice == Even worse Sheena Easton impersonation?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I like both (and their bands), but for a good comparison,
imagine Corgan singing classic Radiohead songs - effing bollocks.
Now imagine pre-Kid-A Yorke singing Pumpkins songs - major
improvement, eh?

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

Radiohead is my favorite band, but Billy is cooler. Yes, I just called Billy Corgan "cool."

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Now imagine pre-Kid-A Yorke singing Pumpkins songs - major
improvement, eh?

Not quite. Say what you will about Crogan's voice, but it really adds a lot of the Pumpkins' overall atmosphere and aesthetic.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yorke. I actually liked him at one point.

― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i cannot believe that this was even a contest! the smashing pumpkins???? wtf??????
i liked them when i was 13 A LOT. but that was because it was music for 13 year olds.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Oi. (I was 20 when I first heard them, so fiddle on you.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm d/l'ing tracks to see if my proclamation was indeed correct, Ned... Maybe I'm underestimating. We shall see.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Well they're hardly for everyone and they are all about hyperangst so it's not totally a false claim on your part. ;-) But as you could say that about eight million other songs, singling The Bald One out seems a bit limiting.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm actually a pretty big Smashing Pumpkins fan. Billy's voice never bothers me but I have friends who will cover their ears and scream when they hear him so I won't deny there is hate.

As for Thom Yorke, I really love Radiohead's music, but I never ever put it on because I can't bear to listen to him sing.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw him at amoeba over the weekend, actually. much taller than i remember. and i coulda sworn he was with d'arcy, but i thought i remembered something about a mortal hatred between them.

i would probably have to say that radiohead is my favorite band, even though i really don't want to for some reason. i never listen to them much though, but that's mostly because i already have the songs in my head if i want them. same for bjork, who is their only real competition in my brain.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I worshipped Billy Corgan when i was in high school. Then i worshipped Thom Yorke when i was in college. Now i worship Dick Dale, Buddy Holly, and Mark Hollis, so go figure.

But I'd take Billy in a pinch ("1979," "Mayonaise," "Hummer," "Home," "Obscured," "Cherub Rock").

Thom Yorke i find hard to tolerate b/c he's such a morose fucking fuck who became a sniveling little twat b/c he had a HIT SINGLE. But i enjoy his music nevertheless...

Actually, fuck it all, gimme James Iha and Jimmy Chamberlain and be done with it.

― PB, Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

if Smashing Ps had released the good half of Melon Collie as a single-disc and then broken up, this would be good fight....as it stands, though, Radiohead takes it (but the Pumpkins had way better singles and it's a closer battle than most will admit).

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw him at amoeba over the weekend, actually. much taller than i remember. and i coulda sworn he was with d'arcy, but i thought i remembered something about a mortal hatred between them.

I've heard all sorts of weird stories, apparently Jimmy's the only one he still talks to much (guested on Jimmy's quite good album earlier this year, actually).

Raymond C. of these parts passed on the news that Billy's solo album comes out in June. Actually quite looking forward to that!

Spencer OTM on the voice quality -- I've *never* minded or thought it outre, actually on many of the quieter songs in particular it's perfect, but other friends of mine have hives.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yorke's been pretty steady, while few have fallen as far as Corgan.

I'm not a huge Yorke fan these days, but I'll probably buy his/bands' next album and I imagine there's a chance he could do something great someday. You couldn't pay me to download anything involving B.C. after 'Machina'--he's dead-on-a-toilet, artistically.

― I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Corgan really "fell" at all. The last Smashing Pumpkins album was seriously underrated and the Zwan stuff has been pretty. I'd say he's consistent whether you like him or not.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd have to agree -- the most specific deviation from his general approach was Adore and that was dictated by circumstances in part (as well as being ridiculously fantastic).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I will say that's my least favorite. I'd love to hear it all rerecorded with Chamberlain. He is one of the few in this world who would survive if drum machines turned on us.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i.e. drum machines are more useful in almost all cases except Morris, O'Ciosig and Chamberlain.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I appreciate the industrial throb of it all (which is no surprise considering that Bon Harris worked on most of it). Also it's their most overt goth-in-a-Projekt-sense album, down to the artwork.

Chamberlain will never die. Slightly fucked up human being ten years ago, mind you, but he seems to have gotten his shit together.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Billy Corgan founded Zwan.

― jmeister (jmeister), Friday, 1 April 2005 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

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