― dave q, Sunday, 29 June 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 June 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― mig, Monday, 30 June 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)
Still, it's at least time to relieve them of constant prog and prog-pop accusations. Rush were one of the few bands to have created a hybrid sound from the late 60s archetype of *big* rock. IMO, it's one of the reasons their fans are so dogmatic, and ceaselessly devoted.
― dleone (dleone), Monday, 30 June 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)
ya think? now, i may be way off here, but it seems like you think they were special or something. ultimately they were a band aping yes and zeppelin, and though as a kid i enjoyed 2112, farewell to kings, etc., i could tell even as a 15 year old [in 1988] that it was totally lacking in subtlety compared to fragile or lark's tongues or lamb lies down; it was a bit juvenile, a bit dwarfs dancing round stonehenge.yes, they certainly were prog-pop. although they don't sound much on the surface like elo or styx, think about what classic radio sounds like: and in 1978, they all used the same dorky riffs, the kind you find on organ and fiddle in "point of no return". they sang stupid lyrics about pretentious crap, but knew that it was a bit false, and were looking for a pop pulse, and rush, along with genesis and yes and many others, even plant and page, eventually turned to new wave. rush were just about the first, and the coolest at prog-new-wave, i think. if you think they "weren't even close to new wave", i guess in some technical sense you're right - i doubt they had silly haircuts. but then, i guess i hear eminence front and call that new wave, too.
i don't know what you mean by talking about the archetype of big rock. i can't understand what it means, that there are a bunch of rabid rush fans who love rush because rush is one of the few bands to create a hybrid sound of big rock. i had assumed they love rush in part because rush keeps reliably touring without updating its sound too much, hasn't kicked out any members, they consider the band to be super-talented [well they are fairly technical players of course], and in part because of that whole sci fi fantasy appeal; there's a significant chunk of their fanbase i bet that is rabid about them because pink floyd became disappointing.
it's funny... i recall one time years ago on chalkhills, the xtc list i was on for a bit [this was in 96-97 i think], this rabid rush fan started talking about rush for little apparent reason... now, i guess i'm a rabid fall fan, and it's silly for me to look down on any other rabid fan of a band... i'm sure to a rush fan, the fall sound slightly retarded, hopelessly untalented, pretentious, etc.
anyway, i would be interested to hear what you say about rush: not prog pop, rush: never new wave, rush: late 60s big rock uniquely updated.
also, how can you seriously not want to hear them again if you suddenly find them interesting? do you know them well enough, or is it more an ennui thing?
― mig, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)
i don't know what you mean by talking about the archetype of big rock...i had assumed they love rush in part because rush keeps reliably touring without updating its sound too much, hasn't kicked out any members, they consider the band to be super-talented
I'm talking about the bands referenced in the excerpt above, Cream and The Who. Rush tours and has an identifiable sound, and is "talented" -- again, this could be applied to hundreds of bands. And Rush did kick out an original member.
how can you seriously not want to hear them again if you suddenly find them interesting?
I alread did that in high school. I listened to them all the time. I like the article above because not only does it make me care about a band I've long since stopped caring about, it actually makes them seem interesting -- but I'm hardly about to go buy all their music again.
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)
haha - I actually held off reading this thread since Sunday cuz I wasn't in the mood to read any academic stuff. the yoke's on me.
mig, ELO were British, you knew that right? Lineage extending back into psychedelic swinging London? Also, I don't hear any comparison between Boston and Rush at all (ok lyrically "Making Memories" vs "Rock & Roll Band" maybe).
an obsessive-compulsive geometric reordering of the style of Keith Moon
This is probably the simplest and best description of Peart I've ever read.
And while I do hear even more Who affinities beyond, I don't really like the Cream comparison, in the same way I suppose dave and dleone dislike the "new wave" tag. The trio format provides a natural linkage, but were Cream all that distanced/rational? If Clapton had written more riffs that sounded like "Beneath, Between and Behind" or "Best I Can" I'd probably listen to my Cream records more often.
The Police thing has some legs. What's the effect that Lifeson uses on "Distant Early Warning" that Summers always uses? A chorus? The verses of that tune could be the Police. In fact, there may not be any black folk in Canada, but Rush's dalliance with reggae form is woefully absent from the literature! Why, there's the whole "for the words of the profits were written on the studio wall" part of "Spirit of Radio", there's "Vital Signs", there's "New World Man". Fuck they were all over that shit.
I was dying to hear Principle of Moments last weekend, but too drunk and lazy to find my boxed up copy of the lp. Robbie Blount = underrated guitar hero!
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― mig, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)
if you’d just shut up and listen you’d see it’s actually an ANTI-DRUG poem because the guy ends up INSANE at the end
― j., Thursday, 26 July 2012 00:37 (thirteen years ago)
whatever happened to dave q
― thomp, Thursday, 26 July 2012 00:38 (thirteen years ago)
Who was the author of the original article?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 26 July 2012 02:02 (thirteen years ago)
?
― thomp, Thursday, 26 July 2012 02:07 (thirteen years ago)
This is a thread about an article (or book?) that was published by McGill University Press, right? Or was Dave the author? Either way, neither Google nor JSTOR turn up anything when I search for this title.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 26 July 2012 02:12 (thirteen years ago)
i wrote it.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 26 July 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)
just kidding. i didn't even read it.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 26 July 2012 02:43 (thirteen years ago)
...
― thomp, Thursday, 26 July 2012 02:52 (thirteen years ago)
god, whatever happened to dave q
ou sont les qs d'antan
― thomp, Thursday, 26 July 2012 02:53 (thirteen years ago)
OK, nm, I read through the OP more fully awake now, ha.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 26 July 2012 05:01 (thirteen years ago)
(I was originally curious because I know two different people who wrote dissertations on Rush!)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 26 July 2012 05:04 (thirteen years ago)
Was one of them interviewed on CBC Radio recently in a fairly disgraceful bit about Rush's new album?
― everything, Thursday, 26 July 2012 13:57 (thirteen years ago)