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G&S fans out yourselves.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 29 June 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I really liked "The Gondoliers", "Patience", "Pirates of Penzance" and "HMS Pinafore".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I started to think I wanted to see some Gilbert & Sullivan after watching Topsy-Turvy. But I must have calmed down as I never botehred.

s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 29 June 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

liked?

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 29 June 2003 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I assume he means he liked the performances of them he saw.

That was a terrible sentence and I apologize to everyone on this board.

s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

what never? no never. what never? no never.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 30 June 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to be able to sing all the words to "I Am The Very Model Of A Modern Major General"; however booze'pills'909'etc have ruined my memory for it.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 30 June 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Adore "The Mikado," like "Pinafore" and "Pirates" quite a bit, less into the rest. Although I remember some of Gilbert's "Bab Ballads" being pretty funny when I was 13.

Topsy-Turvy is one of my favorite movies ever, though.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 30 June 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

the simpsons are keeping the gilbert and sullivan flame alive

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 30 June 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Topsy-Turvy is one of my favorite movies ever, though.

All the way. Absolutely wonderful for many different reasons.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 June 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

esp. Shirley Henderson

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Topsy-Turvy three times in the theaters. Once at the lovely Paris Theater--I think that's what it's called--near Lincoln Center....I think. It was a while ago but it was the nicest evening at the movies I'd had in a long time for many reasons (reason #16: I was sitting beside a supercool girl on whom I was crushing at the time. sadly she disliked the movie and nothing came of my crush as usual).

Incidentally: Why, if Mike Leigh is capable of such a lovely mise en scene, are his other films so indifferent in that regard? It's baffling. The film is faboo. Especially that opening crane shot of the theater seats being turned down.

"Pirates of Penzance" is no doubt my favorite, though I have much of "The Mikado" memorized thanks to a high school production for which I served as set artist and backstage manager.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone who's ever been remotely enamored of theater loves that movie. "Laughter. Tears. Curtain."

I still can't get my mind around Mike Leigh. I like almost all of his movies, but who would ever guess that the man who made Topsy Turvy is the same man who made Naked.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 30 June 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I've invoked Bierce often enough and while Gilbert had his sentimental side (or at least was able to brilliantly fake it for the operettas to work as they did) and a jingoistic side as well (clearly not faked) I like to think of him as a kindred spirit. I've Got a Little List captures the contradiction well enough -- the hilarious misanthropy that's often an excuse for an unflattering bias or bigotry -- while If You're Anxious For to Shine is both the type of thing that Momus doubtless hates about the English and a reminder that you have to have a sense of humor when you also have a sense of art.

Interesting thing about Gilbert, he died while saving a drowning woman in a river. There are much worse ways to go.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 June 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i also love "the long day closes" which is by sullivan sans gilbert.

i have to say i think much of their satire, while wickedly funny in spots, doesn't necessarily have teeth. neither of the pair seemed inclined to throw much in the way of social criticism in their audience's face. which is fine by me.

do you guys listen to any other operetta? i'm just starting to learn about this stuff. i like lehar's "merry widow" a lot.

would that the simpsons' musical numbers were as good as g&s. i mostly applaud them for the effort, not so much the results.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Except, of course, for "Get your hands off me, you / Dirty ape!"

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 30 June 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

all that, and 'Alone Again (Naturally)' too!!

rh, Monday, 30 June 2003 10:04 (twenty-two years ago)

ally, i used to be able to sing the admiral's autobiographical song from HMS Pinafore -- is that the "I Am The Very Model Of A Modern Major General" ? -- i assume that's a different song, but a weird coincidence (i was 10 years old i think)

oh, i wish captain sensible hadn't done that G&S song, b.t.w.

george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 30 June 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I assume he means he liked the performances of them he saw.

Exactamundo. I have also liked the snippets of "The Mikado" that I've seen.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 June 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Agree "Topsy Turvey" is a truly wonderful film even though I'm not normally too keen of G&S or Mike Leigh. Richness of mis en scene might be explained by obvious indebtedness to "The Red Shoes", an even better film (in fact probably my favourite film ever).

ArfArf, Monday, 30 June 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Sideshow Bob's performance of "H.M.S. Pinafore" in the Cape Fear parody epidsode of The Simpsons may very well be that program's funniest moment, which is saying something.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Monday, 30 June 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

me Ma luvs 'em.

stevo (stevo), Monday, 30 June 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The "Major General" song is from Pirates of Penzance, which is like my all time favorite musical. Has anyone read the book for that? By book obviously I mean theatre booklet not actual book if there is one. The description reads like a Monty Python skit--"Then the pirates actually turn out to be Parliament!!" I can only assume that G&S were huge drug addicts, or insane. I know nothing about them, obviously.

Pirates + singing + the Major General song = best thing that ever happened in history.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 30 June 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

But Ally, did you see The Pirate Movie?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone have particular recommended g&s recordings? i have a few of the d'orly carte discs and they are great. (aside from the changing of some references to their canadian counterparts.)

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

the type of thing that Momus doubtless hates about the English

No, no, Gilbert and Sullivan is precisely what I love about the English. I mean, my 2003 album virtually is 'The Pirates of Penzance'.

G&S are 'high density songwriting' at its finest. They can pack the characters, words and jokes into a song like Kowloon packs its yellow coolies into a mansion block, what! Have another puff of opium, old boy!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i was samuel in our school's production of PoP

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 30 June 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

But Ally, did you see The Pirate Movie?

i've been waiting all my life for some decent hip hop sampling or new waver cover of that "keep pumping / keep blowing" song. from an amazon review: "watching this one afternoon with my young nieces, who adore it, I was struck at how much Kristy McNichol sounds like a less husky and more on-key Britney Spears"

-i'm ashamed to say it but after seeing for the first time last year [dunno how i missed it during monty python soaked youth] that flying circus ep. where graham does the most unbelievable engrish, in full "last emperor" getup [sorry, dunno the name of that special round cap with long braid off the back], as some sort of consular official in russia i think but inexplicably acting like a castmember of the mikado, i just will never be able to think of G&S the same way again. his pronunciation of cornwall topped even that granny's 3-octave delivery of the word "handbag" in that masterpiece theatre version of importance of being ernest. which work i always associate with G&S - which leads me to wonder to what extent G&S operetta is "gay" if you know what i mean: like wilde & coward, and unlike say shaw, the torrent of words seems intended to divert thought away from meaning and towards dancing whorls of absurd presentations - a sort of defense mechanism..? the big choruses in G&s avoid seeming like a typical "macho" effect in theatrical music: massed army deployment but instead sort of collapse like a faulty biplane prototype under their own buffoonish subject matter.

not that it really trips my gaydar or anything. but when i think about it it starts to evince of itself. engrish is rather suggestive of a lisp, after all.

mig, Monday, 30 June 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I will hesitantly raise my hand and admit to being part of the G&S ... erm ... Miniscule? (What is the opposite of Massive?) Pirates of Penzance, The Mikado, HMS Pinafore, how can you go wrong? I used to have a whole collection of cassettes when I was a little girl, but god knows where they've got to.

Really they deserve a medal for getting the-very-most-number-of-syllables-humanly-possible into a line of verse. If you've ever had to sing any of the tunes, you know what I mean. Enunciation is U&K.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i love the pure skill of g and s, how quick and reflexisve and funny it is

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 07:52 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

Five years on and yes to most of this thread, really. (Having recently rewatched Topsy-Turvy.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 02:40 (seventeen years ago)

Classic. Favorites are "When I Was A Lad" and "As It May Happen" aka "I've Got A Little List."

I guess I also like "Am the Very Model of a Modern Major General." The math team at my high school gave out a cheat sheet with commonly used formulas under the title "Many Cheerful Facts."

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 17:49 (seventeen years ago)


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