LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BAND KNOWN AS WIRE

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Here is the discussion, I think:

WIRE'S latest release "SEND" (combo of two last eps) is really, really good. I'd say great. If not awesome. What makes it more incredible in my own subjective head is the fact that they are quite the "dinosaurs." In other words, a band of that age SHOULD be making ridiculously crappy music...if we are to use common rock stereotypes. But why not WIRE? It's easily their third or fourth best album, depending on yr take on "154."

So what do you think? Please be nice, I'm sensitive today.

gage o (gage o), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

I have the vinyl version (fairly different, maybe, called 'PF456REDUX') and it's fucking great. Beats 'Pink Flag', for me.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

are the songs repeated from the eps better, worse, or identical? because the eps are excellent.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

The vinyl version is different from SEND. It has different songs from the EPS, plus the order is different, and some songs are slightly different in mixing.

Which just makes me more psyched, because it's BETTER than SEND.

gage o (gage o), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

they're both good, redux being a bit rougher - a good thing . the ideal copy was a bit patchy as was a bell is a cup but all in all, their worst is better than a lot of things. 154 is still my favourite, as it was the first thing by them i heard (being an impressionable teenager)

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

I love Wire, and I liked the EPs just fine, but I have to say that I find Send disappointing for a couple of different reasons...notably the sheer amount of overlap between the EPs and the full album, but also the fact that--for me, anyhow--the songs go on far too long and there's really not enough variation for me.

People keep pointing to this one and muttering "back to the days of Pink Flag!" or somesuch, and I don't buy it. Sure it's got the really upbeat punky energy again, but on Pink Flag the songs ended when they had said their bit; here the clatter on for a couple more minutes, just repeating the same bits over and over again in a very uninteresting fashion. It seems very ironic to me that they have a song called "The Art of Stopping" on this album when it's quite clear that they have lost their feel for stopping when appropriate.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link

Well so's house or something (actually I kind of agree, but on the other hand stopping isn't everything), I'm pretty happy to make some allowances for them cos they are WIRE. And they are rocking me. The combination of these powerful things is moving me a great deal, my critical facilities are off.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, because you're feeling "sensitive", please don't take that as outright condemnation of the album...I actually still like it quite a bit. As frenchbloke snuck in while I was composing that, Wire's worst is still better than most other stuff I hear, and this is far from their worst. At worst here I just find the value suspect when a good chunk of this had already been released.

Also I should mention that "You Can't Leave Now" sounds amazing, especially on headphones; it is the first real glimmer on this album of real variation. The slower bass globs sound like they're sliding off your head, the way they drop in pitch like that, and I find that far more interesting than the hypercharged staccato 1-2-1-2 drumbeat that overtakes most of the rest of the album.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

the songs they are playing on the college station here mus tnot be representative because what i have heard sounds very sub-kmfdm, mainly awful then.

keith (keithmcl), Thursday, 3 July 2003 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

I heard a recent track from Wire on a CD given away with Wire (the magazine - pay attention at the back) and it was hilariously awful, a bunch of old men trying to act tough, almost as bad as the Suicide track on the same CD. Which is a shame, because I've met Bruce Gilbert a couple of times and he's a gent.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 July 2003 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, old men are all big wusses! Do you remember what track it was, though?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 4 July 2003 11:06 (twenty years ago) link

"Yes, old men are all big wusses!"

You cheeky young scallyway - why I'd take my belt to you if I didn't need it to keep my trousers up!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 4 July 2003 11:13 (twenty years ago) link

I was being sarcastic, have mercy old one

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 4 July 2003 11:18 (twenty years ago) link

I agree Send is the best thing Wire have done since 154.

Alternative TV, Buzzcocks, The Damned, The Fall, The Vibrators and XTC are all around the same vintage and have all released albums in the last couple of years which rank amongst their best.

It must be something they're putting in the philosan these days.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 4 July 2003 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

Heh heh heh - I wonder what that new Killing Joke one's going to be like....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 4 July 2003 11:22 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe the point is that bands that start off with mature-feeling music age better than bands who start off as overgrown children/teenagers? Doesn't account for the Buzzcocks, though.

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Friday, 4 July 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

Hey but I've never liked them! Bitchin theory!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 4 July 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Dunno if this got mentioned elsewhere, but from www.wireviews.com... end of MKIII?

February 25: Has Bruce Gilbert left Wire?
That seems to be the rumour currently rampaging around the internet, notably due to the statement on Mike Thorne's website, www.stereosociety.com, which reads in full that Wire "are now one member short after the departure of Bruce Gilbert late last year. Whether the remaining three will continue as the group is undecided. After the last releases as a four-piece, Read & Burn 01 (2002) and Send (2003), recording is also uncertain."
However, the official word from Wire's manager, Paul Smith, is that to his "sure and certain knowledge, all four band members remain on the company payroll". He notes that, for various reasons, a Wire tour of any kind is looking unlikely in the immediate future, but also says that Colin's Githead project has sparked rumours of Wire's demise, despite Colin still actually working hard on a selection of Wire duties.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 3 March 2005 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Wire Duties?

I keep meaning to get round to buying the Send Redux. Oneofthese...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 3 March 2005 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

i am listening to read & burn 03 as i type.

it is so not what i expected that i'm not sure what to think. rather delighted seems to be the main emotion, mixed with hefty surprise. if anything, it's what "manscape" should have been.

i think anyone who (like me) rates the mach-two stuff as the best they've done will love this. key words on a first listen: contemplative, gentle, shuffling, introspective, quiet.

i'm also listening to it on crappy laptop speakers: can't wait to hear it properly.

wow.

also: can i just say that posteverything are absolute gods, and an example of how every such mail-order company should work? thank you.

grimly fiendish, Saturday, 3 November 2007 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

has this leaked or are they streaming it somewhere? i'm really excited since 'a bell is a cup' is still my favorite wire record

akm, Saturday, 3 November 2007 12:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I have it on preorder, I heard it online and flipped out of my skull. Best they've sounded in 20 years to my ears.

Also I find it amazing that you can preorder the new Burial album from the same site.

Bimble, Saturday, 3 November 2007 12:42 (sixteen years ago) link

akm, you can listen to the Wire at post everything.

Bimble, Saturday, 3 November 2007 12:46 (sixteen years ago) link

it's out on monday; i've been a bit lucky thanks to posteverything's largesse.

bimble, what are you doing up at what, for you, is surely an unearthly hour? :)

grimly fiendish, Saturday, 3 November 2007 12:47 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah I was going to say: "wow I'm on when the Brits are for once, what is going on?" Just a lucky accident, I guess. I did get some sleep but I woke up.

Bimble, Saturday, 3 November 2007 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link

key words on a first listen: contemplative, gentle, shuffling, introspective, quiet.

?!!!??!

whoa

stephen, Saturday, 3 November 2007 17:38 (sixteen years ago) link

okay. "quiet" is a relative term here. but still.

grimly fiendish, Saturday, 3 November 2007 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

read
and
burn
03!

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 17 November 2007 01:30 (sixteen years ago) link

thank you for that new insight there

stephen, Saturday, 17 November 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm going to have a hysterical fit of unbridled excitement when this CD arrives at my door.

Bimble, Saturday, 17 November 2007 04:52 (sixteen years ago) link

More shock than insight. I thought Wire mark III were kaput.

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm digging this

latebloomer, Sunday, 18 November 2007 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Anyone else planning to see them in a few hours at (NYC's) South Street Seaport? It's free! Die! Die! Die! are supporting, and also worth seeing.

paulhw, Friday, 30 May 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Whoa! Sweet! I'm going to this after work! They play at 8pm.

Chelvis, Friday, 30 May 2008 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link

yep! I'll be up there

dmr, Friday, 30 May 2008 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I knew about this.. did not go. I live too far away :(

billstevejim, Saturday, 31 May 2008 07:02 (fifteen years ago) link

They were really good. Graham Lewis shouted "Respect!" as they walked offstage. Funny. Who's the new guitarist (in place of Gilbert)?

Capitaine Jay Vee, Saturday, 31 May 2008 07:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I was pleasantly surprised, they were very good and able to make the South Street Seaport not so cheesy but actually pretty cool. Also, who were all these people who knew who WIRE were? There was like 3,000 people there!?! Very happy to be able to say that I've seen '12XU' performed live.

Chelvis, Saturday, 31 May 2008 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah the end of the show was really good. The Lowdown -> 12XU -> Pink Flag! also that one from 154 that they played a couple songs before the encore (The 15th?)

dmr, Saturday, 31 May 2008 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah - I was also really surprised at the huge crowd. More there than for the National last year...

paulhw, Saturday, 31 May 2008 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Who's the new guitarist (in place of Gilbert)?

I read Margaret Fiedler from Laika and Moonshake fame.

Bill in Chicago, Saturday, 31 May 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Is a setlist posted anywhere?

billstevejim, Monday, 2 June 2008 02:25 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2008/05/wire_south_stre.html

also includes a link to a youtube vid of lowdown & 12xu

Michael F Gill, Monday, 2 June 2008 03:27 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

never heard this stuff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_iUa6NYp7I

scott seward, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 15:58 (ten years ago) link


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