and that's even before we are getting to the tone he draws out of that alto (he is also on soprano and does a bit of drumming too, all fine stuff).
recommend...
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 6 July 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link
And oh yeah, 'The Birth of the Cool'...
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 6 July 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 6 July 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 6 July 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link
this is a live date from 1983. recommended.
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 6 July 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 6 July 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link
anywaysanything lee recorded with lennie tristano will be worth hearing, although the sound quality is often poor for such classic records as the toronto [53 i think] cd. the wonderfully warm yet acidic tone [tonewise he copied parker better than anyone, maybe bettered parker at what bird was trying to sound like] is superbly recorded on the "lennie tristano" lp of 1955 - lee leads and solos on 5 out of 9 cuts, i think, on that: all the things you are and you go to my head are so sweet/sharp. those are my favorite recordings by konitz, i think.
apart from birth of the cool lee had two other very important sessions in 1949: the "intuition" recordings with lennie, which are credited in retrospect with prefiguring or outright inventing free jazz; and lee's own first dates as a leader, "subconscious-lee" which is nearly more deserving of the title birth of the cool than the miles sessions, i think, because most cool jazz isn't so well-rehearsed and orchestrated as botc - lots of it sounds more like subconscious-lee, in some ways.
stan kenton's recordings are of course difficult to navigate with a straight face for many, but city of glass / this modern world is a great place to start.
i never felt lee's work with mulligan gelled too well, but i think he's having a great time on the mingus dates he was invited to in the 70s.
― mig, Monday, 7 July 2003 01:47 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 July 2003 02:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 7 July 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 7 July 2003 12:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 7 July 2003 12:33 (twenty years ago) link
''Verve have just this week re-released 'Motion', a fantastic 1961 alb that Konitz made with Elvin Jones (and a bassist whose name I can't recall) - incredible sustained improvisations, and that wonderfully dry, papery Konitz sound.''
got this last week. the name of the bassist is sonny dallas. beautiful improvisations and I think elvin Jones' playing keeps you on yr toes. I almost think he's gonna break the structure apart at times, he creates some wonderful moments of tension with Konitz and the bass is a wonderful link. At least that's what i got from the one listen so far.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 July 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link
― John Hicks, Friday, 26 September 2003 13:48 (twenty years ago) link
― ArfArf, Friday, 26 September 2003 15:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 27 September 2003 14:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 28 September 2003 12:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link
Saw him last night in two settings: a wonderful quartet with Baron, Gress and Frisell (holy shit Sundar!!! you are so right -- this guy might be the greatest living guitarist), and an awful duet with Paul Bley. Seriously: Paul Bley: FUCK YOU, you are an asshole. Fucking awful overplaying indulgent mofo. no wonder annette left your ass.
But man: KONITZ. What a tone. What an absolute TITAN of the alto.
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 29 January 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link
1. Parker2. Coleman3 Konitz
EVERBOdY ELSE
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 29 January 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 29 January 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link
The encore was Frisell/Konitz duet and quite frankly I could live the rest of my days inside the music made by the two of them together. Almost wish the whole program was just that duet...
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 29 January 2005 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 7 February 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link
I never did get a hold of any more records with Sonny Dallas on them. But one thing's for sure- he never drops the ball on Motion.
― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link
rec: lone-lee.
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:42 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Stormy Davis (electrifyingmoj...), January 29th, 2005."
You gotta go at least five deep: Johnny Hodges! Benny Carter!
― Not Thaat Chuck, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyway, I've been really enjoying Subconscious-Lee. I couldn't parse this stuff when I was in jazz school for some reason, and even kind of turned my nose up at it. I had a big black/white jazz musician complex back then so that might have been the problem.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark 0 (mark 0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 06:18 (seventeen years ago) link
You're probably talking about "authenticity" issues, but [veering off topic here; I blame insomnia] race has been more a problem for listeners and promoters than for the actual musicians. I'll bet Benny Goodman took some flack for his integrated small groups in the 30's, and Charlie Parker would sometimes try to pass off Red Rodney as an albino during tours of the south a decade later.
The one example I can think of from a musician's standpoint is Charles Tyler quitting Albert Ayler's group over the impromptu hiring of Michel Samson one night in Cleveland, mentioned here.
― mark 0 (mark 0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Right. It wasn't that I wouldn't listen to white musicians, but only white musicians I felt could "swing" properly. I thought the Tristano school was all about some esoteric academic approach (which it was in a way, I guess) and that somehow diminished it as jazz. But I'm talking about me in high school, maybe early in college, that's all.
race has been more a problem for listeners and promoters than for the actual musicians
I'd imagine it was more of a problem for some in the 60s, when you had the increasing prevalence of black political movements. I have also heard one or two white musicians gripe about some big name black bandleaders today supposedly favoring black musicians. It always sounded like sour grapes to me, so I never paid it much mind.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link
BTW, I just read that Tristano apparently didn't like strong drummers, which might be another reason I didn't initially respond to Tristano-school records.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Inside Hi-Fi is worth a mention here. It's a delightfully simple album that swings hard and with some gorgeous lyricism.
― calzino, Saturday, 19 June 2021 23:01 (three years ago) link