Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

Damn. He said Fu-Schnickens.

That's quite cutting actually. Jay-Z must have thought about the "H to the izzo, M to the izzo" line when he wrote that track. I'd like to see it develop between these two but not in a petty pistol-whipping kind of way. A lot of recent feuds have been a bit disappointing because of the real threat of violence. The 'Bus/LL battle produced a few good rhymes and it was worth it for "Yo, this is Mike Tyson kicking it with the Cannabis [sic] man..."

Oh, and he's right about Roc-A-Wear.

Hey, look, I'm shit at links. Fucking non-editing motherfucker.

Can someone give my wack ass a brief debriefing about the etymological origins of "H to the Izzo / M to the Izzo"? Damn this hip-hop cant...

H-O-M-O, derived from Jay-Z's "H to the izzO, V to the izzAy" (H-O-V-A, short for Jay-hova) . If this is what it takes to wake Nas back up, I'm all for it, though I don't see Jay-Z as much of a battle rapper myself. What started this beef though?

Jadakiss doesn't like Jay-Z either - at the Crown Heights block party this spring he did a bit of "throw ya hands up" but sang the chorus "fuck that, put ya hands down" -- why does Jay-Z inspire this?

I agree with Kris that this could be an excellent opportunity for Nas to regain the status of his old glories. He is the most fallen-off rapper in hip-hop history, possibly, while Jay-Z's last couple of albums were fantastic. Nas is one of the few out there who has what it takes to take on Jay-Z. Let's see him deliver. What's the origin of this particular beef, though?

I think the whole thing started when Memphis Bleek said that Nas fell of after the success of Illmatic, since then a few NY hip hoppers (including the likes of Jadakiss, Nas & Prodigy) have hated on the ROC. I agree he isn't a battle rapper, however, he's proved time and time again that he has the credentials to reckoned as one of the (if not the) greatest lyricists of all

They're all just hating because their shit ain't doing as well as Jay- Z's, and that's all there is to that. He's fantastic, his albums are all solid as fuck, he's only made a couple missteps and he's held in wicked high regard, so of course he's going to inspire shit, no matter what the backstory is. But no, he's not much of a battle rapper at all. If Nas wants to bust on him, he better come up with a new single actually as good as the song he's ripping on, quite frankly.

i just think nas, is tryin ta cum back up coz jay-z bein 1 of the most successful in such a short period. i dont think jigga is a thug/battler/hater n probably will just put in a few sly words about nas. but overall its just nas tryin ta start some shit up 4 no reason because people are forgettin his fake ass so he just tryin to get in tha lime light again. n can i also state puff daddy/diddy/fool/asshole/fake-ass-wannabe is just the biggest punk walkin god's green earth n i hope suge will give him a good ass wuppin.

With Biggie gone, lyrically Nas and Jay-Z r the best out. Jada is a close third. Jigga's on top so 4 Nas to get back into the game he must go at Jigga. Same 4 Kiss. If he wants to be on top he has to go at the roc. But goin at Beans was a mistake. Did yall hear Beanies come back on the Empire Strikes back!!!!!. Oh, If Jay-z doesn't slam Nas on a track, dont worry, Beans WILL!!! The feud sprang because Nas thinks that Jigga has been saying some untrue stuff in his rhymes.Thats all. Holla. - Chris AK

i concur, beanie is devastatingly fucking dope. i think he could take on nas solo, and fuck, that's something.

Yo After 2pac comes BIG then probably Jay-Z as the most sucessful rapper of all time. 2pac Makaveli "the greatest of all time" would take all of the fags out even if they put in a combined effort

greg told me this story and since he's not here right now i'll quickly recall it;

SCENE: --greg and friend in club that is playing ante up remix--

that chick who fucked pun: '...wish i could bring pun back / bitch run that etc etc'

greg: 'if you could bring back any rapper, who would you?'

friend: 'tupac, certainly...'

greg: '!!!!'

friend: '...so everyone now could see how shit he really was'

THE END

sorry for the poor recollection, but it's like, the best summation of the '2pac' phenomenon i can think of right now. he was a wack wack motherfucker.

first of all Nas is nice, dont get me wrong, but he cant fuck wit Hova, not now anyway. Jay-z has made so many hits in the last three years its ridiculous and honestly that Queensbridge and "I AM", them shits were WEAK! Nas you can do better, come on dog! OH yeah i dont think Jada wanna fuck wit Beans cause Siegal aint nuthin but the TRUTH! Did yall that shit on EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, OH my God! Kiss tried to come back on this Clue shit but I think Beanie won round 1 of this battle. Beans said ''I'ma sun Kiss like soda'' ''When I see you, you gon' really wish you knocked yourself out! Siegal headphones is on fire this time around!

"i'ma son 'kiss like soda". damn.

They're all just hating because their shit ain't doing as well / as Jay- Z's, and that's all there is to that. / He's fantastic, his albums are all solid as fuck / he's only made a couple missteps / and he's held in wicked high regard, so / of course he's going to inspire shit / no matter what the backstory is.

Slang that shit up and Ally's a rapper.

Nah its all about how Hova has been claiming that he is the best and is trying to take over the reins of BIG. And Nas just thought that Hova was trying to ride off BIGS fame. Calling himself the King of New York, which is what BIG called himself. In my opinion J. is right at this time he is the best(AT THIS TIME!), but with Stillmatic coming that may change soon.

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My rap name is The Hierophant. There will be an Isaac Hayes sample in my first single, the above referenced ode to my mentor, Jay-Hova. It will include a verse questioning why such a great man keeps insisting on picking ridiculous rap names that make even "The Hierophant" look sensible. I mean, honestly, first he was a Pokemon, now he's Jay- Hova. Really now.

i think Nas and Jay-z are just doing this whole thing to fatten up their pockets even more....as with Beans... i think nas'll rip him, maybe jada...on a good day..cuz he's solo album wasn't up to par..

Right now everyone is attackin the ROC. Queensbridge, RUFF RYDERS. . . NAS and Jadakiss in particular. Jigga is a fag. . . Bleek and Siegel are the only ones who can pull some sick rhymes. . .But they can't touch Nas. . .Nas is the lyrical poet. . . He never fell off and if you ask me . . . He's the KING OF NY after Big. As for Jadakiss. . . He's not as much as a veteran as NAS but he can tear Roc-A-Fella apart let alone Jay-z. NAS-STILLMATIC shuts Jay-Z down !

Then why is Jay-Z's new album so much better than anything Nas has ever done?

J aint a battle rapper and even thoh nas aint been as succesful as Jay,at least he aint slid into some P-diddy money and glamour shit like J done.they cant f*c wit nas coz nas is a poet.

I think all this stupidness is getting out of hand. Now I've heard that not only jada, nas, and prodigy are hatin on jay, but fat joe joined in as well. All these cats just wanna use some fued to generate sales for themselves. Fat joe is straight wack, I repeat his sh*t "never" is gonna go platnum. and i kind of respect prodigy, but on his album he has a song sayin we goin diamond, all the albums he ever sold in his life could never put him even "close" to diamond. Also if you look at everyone who got beef with him they try to imitate his style. Look at all they albums Jay did the joint with ugk that was off the yalzabub, and all these niggas wanna do a joint with a down south rapper. Jay worked with neptunes before these cats now everyone wanna do it. Let's get one thing straight as far as respect and sales aint none of these dudes even close. the thing between him and prodigy started when prodigy in a magazine interview called him out sayin that when that sh*t was going down with 2pac jay aint say nothing. if you recall Big aint say anything either and most of the hate was directed at him, and he lost his life over that sh*t. I think everybody should just end the beef, if you got beef handle that sh*t with actions if you bout it. last but not least I heard a copy of the blueprint.....................when that sh*t drops..........prodigy,jadakiss,fate joe,nas, and whoever else is gonna be bumpin that sh*t in the small benz/ with small wheels/ small grill / hatin on his success.

THIS WHOLE BEEF STARTED AT 2001 HOT 97 SUMMER JAM...I WAS THERE TO WITNESS IT PERSONALLY...JAY-Z DID A SHORT 1 MINUTE FREESTYLE DISSING MOBB DEEP AND CLAIMED HE HAD PICTURES OF A YOUNG PRODIGY IN A BALLET SUIT...THEN HE PUT THE PICTURES UP ON THE HUGE SCREEN AT SUMMER JAM AND EVERYONE STARTED LAUGHING...JAY Z ALSO CALLED OUT NAS ON THE FREESTLYE...THIS IS THE ORIGIN OF THE BEEF...HOWEVER I HEARD THE JAYZ COMEBACK TRACK ON HIS NEW CD THE BLUEPRINT AND JAYZ KILLS NAS.

i can't wait for the new album

Yo AJ..... where did you hear the song where Jigga rips Nas? What's it called?

Gareth: the album is fantastic, run to the store and buy it when it comes out. You won't be disappointed, it's the most consistent thing he's done in a long, long time. It's really, truly great, it's possibly the best thing I've heard all year (possibly because I'm allowing hysteria room - I've only listened to it 3 times).

Though I will note that the last album had some 11th hour switchups because of leaks, so if that happens again with this album could change my opinion, as it did on the last album...

i have also had the pleasure of hearing Jay-z's new album in which he eats Nas and Prodigy for dinner. i don't have a track listing but it's the second song on the album, i believe it's called the "Originator" but i'm not sure. A lot has been said about this so called "Civil War", if its real or a scam to make money. i know this for sure, Nas and Prodigy have to answer, and not with a freestyle. They better put their brains together and come up with something real clever or they're gonna have to look for new careers. It would be ashamed if a plot to get money ends breaking someone. I just hope no one gets killed. R.I.P. Aaliyah

i still think mobb won the mobb deep/tupac beef, and i swear i'm not just saying that because i like them better.

I am a Jay Z fan to the graveyard and feel personaly offended by the fact that lesser mcs such as nas, prodigy ,fat joe, and jayo felony even think that there skills are anywhere close enough to fuck with the God

i don't think he's really sweating fat joe, dude.

Look you can only ride the success of an album for so long. Jay-Z's best album were Reasonable Doubt and Vol.1. This is because he took time to wrote lyrics, just listen to the lyrics in those albums compared to his later ones. Now it takes Jadakiss, Nas, and Mobb Deep to bring him back to his roots. Beats are good and nice, but lyrics is what hip hop and rap has always been about. Its what you say and how you say it, not who's beat you rhyme over. I speak of this as a rapper myself. You go to these talent showcases, especially in NJ and Philly, you will get booed off if you don't have tight lyrics. Jay-Z was in danger of selling out, in my opinion, he did what he said in his marcy to hollywood song. He got lazy and put his feet up and rode the fame, so niggas got on his shit. I'm here in Camden and most people are here are tried of Jay-Z and Beanie. I like Jay-Z and I have his new LP already...let's just say he ripped Nas and Prodigy on track 2. I have a question, what do yall think about Genovese's Fuck Y'all?

If anyone has heard the bootleg of the "BLUEPRINT" you will agree, JAY HOVA is holdin down hip hop. The 2nd cut, "the Takeover" is aimed squarely at Nas and Prodigy (Mobb Deep) and Jay fore blows like "I don't care if your name is Mobb Deep I hold triggfers to crews/ you little f#$k I got mone stacks bigger than you / when I was pusin weight, back in 88/ You was a ballereena, I got the pictures, I seen ya" He goes on Prodigy for afull 16 bars and then goes at Nas with line like; "So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong / you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song / And you aint get a coin, you was getting Fu#ked then / i know who I paid God, Searchlite publishing" Jay is really bringing it to NAS and Mobb Deep. I really can't see Nas or Prodigy seein him. Hova is on another level now, rap just seems too eay for him. Holla!

damn. still not as hard as nas' first punch though.

I feel Jay-Z is the best rapper at the moment, going through his albums from Hard Knock life he has non stop hits be it thugged out shit or be it 'commerical', but if Jay-Z was to ever claim he's the best of all time then it is a diferent story because that crown is with Tupac shakur i love Biggie but Tupac for me is in front.

there is so much competition now with more money involved that no one wants to fall off their game and if you don't go platinum it is considered wack, plenty of artists and albums never go platinum but are the shit. Examples LOX we are the streets, Jay-Z first album, Canibus, Big L, list goes on. If the best was based on skill then i would like to have seen a Canibus V Big L battle

I just hope this stays lyrical and not physical

Yall hear that shit on the Blueprint..... The Jigga cut the fuck outta Nas.....its called "Takeover"....this jus proves that Jay-Z is the lyrical master of our time...excluding Eminem

Jay-Z's the heir to Pac's crown, obviously. "The Blueprint" would be better if "Izzo", "Renegade" and the few tracks that don't fit in with the rest weren't on there. As an album it'd be much better if it was just one sound, because it's a fucking good sound when it's done right ("Heart Of The City", "Song Cry"). Yeah, and the Tip track's shit - Jay-Z doesn't love girls that much.

"There's only so long fake thugs can pretend."

This entire thing is over Jay-Z claiming to be the best, yet at the same time Nas claimes Jay-Z raps about situations that arent real and never happened. Nas is by far a better lyrsist. the only reason people like Jay so much is because he rhymes about money and girls which is what sells right now. There isnt anything wrong about that. Nas-better rhymes JayZ-better business

Nas no doubt is better than Jay-Z lyrically. Jay just has mad money now and is living off his fame of Reasonable Doubt and Vol. 2. If those albums weren't tight, he'd probably end up like marky mark making wack ass movie a.k.a planet of the apes, three kings and etc... Plus with all this beef Jay got with everybody, I wouldn't be surprised if he got murked(2Pac, Biggie, Big L, etc....)Nas4ever

Lyric Value....Jay-Z: $7.00....Nas: $10.00....Biggie/2Pac: Priceless They both are ok except Nas has the only album between the two who had an album to get five mics from "the source". Plus Jay-Z is too commercial and is trying to do too much by toastng everybody at once. I hope no one gets the death penalty in this feud. Also to Jay-Z, Don't burn your bridges cause no one can save you if they can't cross to help you.

y'all cats are too hung up on sales dont you know that money and sex sells and jigga being business minded knows that.if you consider lirical prowess aint nobody takin out nas.the late great notorius big himself left the game and started talking about money and hoes.l aint say nas never did that but he just never completely sold out like jigga.nas is a rapper and nobody better than him at his game.if rich kids dont like his shit coz they aint relate to it,that dont mean he is wack.l was feelin nas when he does a song where he personifies a gun,and tells its history.even pac copied that when he does me and my girlfriend.

Jay-Z was in danger of going completely lazy with his last album, which wasn't even a Jay-Z album despite the tag, it would've been major improved with the complete lack of the Roc-A-Fella crew. But I don't see all you people claiming that Vol 2 and Vol 3 are lazy and/or sell out works. They're tight. Big Pimpin' and Can I Get A... are easily as tight as Ain't No Nigga; I think a lot of people like to romanticise the idea that Jay-Z is all about Reasonable Doubt and went to commercialized shit after that.

His new album is fucking sweet, though. It kicks it, total return to top of the game form. I gotta laugh about "Girls Girls Girls" though - what the fuck is next, "I'm Not Gay (Not That There's ANything Wrong With It)"?

1st and foremost about being the best Mc...B.I.G."FOREVER" and i think JAy-Z and PUff had that nigga set up cuz they were the most successful after his death Jay-Z blew up outta no where..after he sucked big dick so much...listen to "i know what girls like f/puff n lil kim"..puff says"mo money "NO" more problems after bigs death...what a coincidence..hmm..and Jay-z spittin on the city is mine is like he was waiting for that shit to happen to Big..anyways if yall listen to music its alot of subliminal shit in it..i cant xplain all my points but if i did yall will agree..but as far as battling..Nas do need to wake up he is the best lyricist next to EMinem those are the best cuz they are very versatile and thats what rap is all about..Jay-Z is pussy cuz he picked nas out the whole bunch cuz nas is pussy too why he didnt respond to DMX,Jada,Jayo felony,charlie baltimore and 50 cent..he too pussy..jay's song the TAKE OVER IS hard but when NAS come back HE COMIN HARD..so JAY FUCKED UP DROPPIN 1st...AND BEANIE BATTLE VERSE WAS LONG BUT NO HARDER THAN JADA's COMBACK ON THAT DISCO BEAT..BEANS WAS SPITTIN NONSENSE ON SOME BARS TRYNA STRETCH THE SONG..AND STYLES ATE JIGGA ASS ON FUNK FLEX..THATS THE NIGGA TO WATCH IN THE GAME ON THE LOW YA HEARD..THE GHOST"

First of all i must say that, I have not been feeling Jigga Man since his 1st LP when he was know as Jay-Z. I must say That this album "the Blueprint is a classic! This is better than the his first effort to me. Jay-Z got lyrics and metaphors but all jokes aside Jay-Z can't see Nas. Nas and Jay-Z are on different levels. Jay-Z was on some on commerical shyt. Nas is a Street Poet he spit reality and that's what i like about Nas. I'm glad the ESCOBAR is dead and NAS is back to his illmatic and it was written days. To me to Selling units don't prove that you are a better rapper. Jay-Z can sell 30 millions album for all that i care, I know one thing for sure Jay-Z can't see GhostFace!!! Peace

Selling units has nothing to do with anything, Jay-Z just is way less boring than Nas. Probably because he's gay, gay people are fantastic.

(yes, I am just posting shite now, what do you want to do about it? Step up.)

Me, I just like the new Jay-Z album besides it sounds like what happens when a man with more money than sense thinks he's god. Entertainment! As pure a cocaine delusion experience as you'll get in these sad times, and it's sickeningly pretty to boot.

The songs are all gorgeous, he's got the production of the gods, at the very least.

Link to the new thread.

Fat Joe has been hating on Jayz since 98, when he said in a magazine interview that Jay was gay because he rapped about things like women's fingernails and shit. Big Pun gave a interview saying the same things.

Jay-Z Nas hip-hop throw down and other throw downs? Continued? Oh well, I must say it's good to see everybody again. On a hip-hop note, I've noticed that everybody is talkin about "Ether." It's amusing because last month it was "Takeover" burnin it up. A lot of these people haven't heard "Super Ugly," though. I think even though a lot of people on theses threads said Super Ugly is weak, I think it's gonna be just as hard as Ether because a lot of people will be impressed that Jay-Z fucked Nas' baby momma.

Sage, I ain't tryin to hate, but the Bears are garbage. They are thanking God they don't have to see the Pack because their season would be guaranteed to end that day. The Bears don't have a chance against the Rams or the Pack, in my opinion. I think they are a continuation of last year's Giants. But oh well, I'd rather the Bears win than the Packers or the Rams. But I find it unlikely. However, I'm pullin for an AFC team, even if it means cheering for the hated Ravens.

Best, again not hating, but I would suggest considering Omega Psi Phi. Kappas are nice, but they don't always get nationwide respect. Omegas always get respect, no matter what. However, Omegas have a loud, rowdy, "doggish" image, and that may not be you. But the Kappas have a pretty boy image that isn't me. So it's whatever. Even though I'm sure you know this already, I'll tell you anyway: pledging a frat at an HBCU means you gon get yo ass WHIPPED! And sometimes for no other reason than they just want to whip y'all's asses. Good luck, though. You'll be all right.

I'm out like Marty Schottenheimer in Washington. Peace!

Qoolout

Interesting comments and I can appreciate your opinion. I still disagree, but that is the nature of discussion. I am curious to learn what aspects of Biggy and 2Pac that you find better than Rakim and KMD. I enjoy both 2Pac and Biggy very much, but as far as them having superior lyrical skills to Rakim and KMD I just don't see it.

At times both KMD and Rakim suffered from the problem of mediocre beats. I found KMD's last stuff and Rakim's last stuff to be disappointing, but at their best Rakim and KMD are second to none in my book.

NBBJ, we moved to a new home. Scroll up a lil and click on the link made by Zebedee. And I stated my point for the most part and I respect your opinion too. I challenge you to post Rakim's or KRS' deepest or best lyrics and I'll post something 10 times better by Pac BIG, Nas or Jay. Deal? But do it on the new board; this is probably my last post here.

First off, I do not think..I know that Nas is ten times better than Jay-z. I bet you any amount of money that if you put Nas and Jay-z on 106th and park on the free style battle Nas would win anyday.. Just like Emineem ripped jigga Nas will.. I think Nas is the best rapper alive right now..I do not think he was the best because the best were Biggie and Pac but Nas is the best lyricist and rapper alive right now!! I love him and i love his new album..

first off no one fuckin wit quensbrigde or ruff ryders like my dog DMX even said school street school street home of the brave now u know where im from where its at, and like my nigga kiss said d- block my man stay shoutin his shit out and kayz cockafella whtever this folls name is if he was that bouted he would se kiss when he sees him and u know where prodigy , nas and them be at Queensbridge, personally jay z aint shit i always got love for Queensbridge niggas and niggas from yonkers you know the ruff ryders and if any one wana see me see me when u see me im dat gangsat ill even give u my address 23 riverdale in yonkers dog (holla)

The "Stillmatic" Freestyle was poetic and clever. "The Takeover" was a very strong response, but "Ether" blew it to pieces. "Supa Ugly" was a desperate and pathetic attempt at coming back at Nas. Jigga please! Ran out of ideas Hova? Weak. Nas won this hands down. I'll give props to Jay-Z though, that "People Talkin'" freestyle he did recently was impressive... but Nas still sits on the throne.

Nas is not the best emcee out there, but he is close. Jay-Z has had commercial success but he put's out another album every 3 weeks. Jay-Z's beats are hella tight but half the time he makes no sense lyrically. Nas can put out an album every 3 or 4 years and still make a big dent in the music industry without a neptune, Timbaland or Dr. Dre beat. The Flex freestyle proved that he has and will continue to win this rap war. You can make all the comments about sleeping with his baby mom, but he ripped Jay-Z over and over again. He's not even with the chick any more!!! Jay-Z started something he can't finish. Jigga man needs to sit his uglu ass down and think of another wack rhyme to come back with. He makes no sense at all in "Super Ugly" he doesn't even rhyme and he's off tempo. The "Pretty Poet" got this one, hands down.

Anyone on this thread, sit down, ATTENTION! This thread has moved to a new location cos this one is getting long as FUCK! Scroll up the page to find the link posted by Zebedee.

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fIrSt Of ALLL naz CANNOT compare himself to 2 PAC and or Biggie .naz Refers himself as 1 of da Best rapers, and compares his struggle with pacs. PAC hated naz. naz IS just a Dick riding washed up actor, who is not as have of a lyricist that tupac was, and will never touch Jay Z style...

I think Nas is the best Mc in N.Y. now that biggie died Jay-z just made a few good sounds and some bits with the help of other rapper if anybody knows about HipHop its me its all i lisent to undergroud musik strait from P.Rico de home of the Underground HipHop just like i thougt you guys dont know about that ask Nas him self much love to the real hiphop lover fuck J-bitch NewYork-TO-Puerto RICO (Nas)the King is back<.....

i told yall i'd be back, yo sage i aint forget about you. just cuz i said u may think its ignorant and narrowminded, that doesnt mean that it is. i know yall heard that esther. nas ripped jigga man a new assholw. "foxy got you hot cuz you kept your face in her puss what u think you gettin girls now cuz of yo looks" whoo that shits tight, holla back

yo" naz is a fag, better understand that, don't disrespect my nigga jay-z, y'all must think i'm crazy, put yo hand up if you feeling me, but say stay out my way, cuz i ain't that funny, just letting y'all know who gots the perfection role, putin" 10 and moe m's, tell me if you did not buy his flow! did'nt he say "if he not better than biggs, then he'll be the close one." you sould understand that never estimated, trust me he will make you elimated. uhhh!!! one luv jigga!!!

k i aint never been a Biatch to hate on any Rappers. we all should be glad dat this beef stays on wax. YA hEARD. or we gon have 2 more deaths wit rappers. Now first off, is'nt it funny how JAy Z got beef wit everyone.!! c'mon now. he did start it all so wateva. anyways nas is tight though still check out his joint "Ether" off of stillmatic. i know i did alittle bit of hatin but i juss hope they juss keep it on wax, they should know better from wat happend to pac and Big. But when it comes to the all dem(Nas,Prodigy,jadakiss and jigga)all got some Tuff beats.

Please calm down and take a seat. Jay Z is a fabricated rapper and so are any of his counterparts, and his buddies dont have any record sales either. As for Jadakiss his style is week, he cant ryhme, his voice sounds just like the other two Lox bed-buddies as for Nas, Lyriacally untouchable and probably the most competent of all them but still his pockets are fat and any thug stories he tells, are old enough passed down at campfires. He's been out of the ghetto too long to remember what a gun looks like. So overall, not just because im a fan of him, but i believe 2pac is the king of New York. dont forget he was born in B.K, he schooled Biggies to the game, dissed out all thre of those bastards and stayed ghetto until the day he died. Oh not to mention in 2001 his record sales beat Jay Z's, Jada's, and Nas's. This even tough he's been dead for 5 years.....now what does that say when his record sales in New York State beat all of theirs, now as for the fued, jay z is gonna lose it when Nas disses him out, turning like 60 next year both rappers will sit down and retire like they should have years ago and settle their differences in a nice quiet game of B.I.N.G.O, and Jadakiss will cling to DMX like father and son and just hope x features him on a track in the future, so he can live up to what he says and actually have money. Thanks my name is Big D and im from tha B holdin it down..... Big L R.I.P, 2pac R.I.P

i agree with the guy above hes so true but many of u fags like roc and he roc suckes and there artists are hobos in the making, thanks

Damn Ally, you must be fucking Jay-Z cause you all up in his nut. Whose album is #1 (Nas) and whose album is #10 (Jay-Z). Nas is the best and don't you forget it.

hey gold its easy as pie, just write ur opinon and everyone will see and resopnd to it like tadaaa

Nas is wanna be thug piece of shit, Jay Z aint tha king of NY either, nor was Biggy, East Coast shit sux and always will....Pac,and Eazy are what its about....Even rappers like BG Knocc Out and Gangsta Dresta deserve more credit then fucking Nas and Jigga...

This isn't a response to the thread i just hopped on this board and wanted to add somethin real quick and this is the first thing to come up......well anyway jay is rapping about goin top 10 to not mentioned at all? check yourself jigga stillmatic # 11 Blueprint? uhh hmm...#100 on the bilboard? yes. also check the billboards Jay Z aint even under rap....R&B/Hip-hop....damn even the execs hating on jigga....ive just been tunin into this shit u know d/ling ether, the takeover, h to the omo, got myself i got....got urself a gun...u know....what did eminem rip on jay about ande in what song liek nas refers to in ether? send me and email thanks yo

Not hating on the Jigga Man or nuthin, BUT, Jay-Z has hated on Nas since ILLmatic got 5mics & Reasonable Doubt got 4 1/2mics (i think)! Jay has dun loads of little stuff to try & get Nas to strike 1st but the N to tha A to tha S I-R didn't bother. Jigga twice smapled Nas's voice. Once on Dead Presidents & Once on So Ghetto (Nas is d one saying, "you know him well"...(By the name of Jigga)). So den Jay-Z did d Ask Nas he dont want it wit Hov, Nooooooooo! Also in all of Nas' thank you's from It Was Written-Nastradamus Nas thankx Jigga or Roca Fella, whereas Jay-Z has never thanked tha QB Poet. Anyway both tunes rock but Takeover is HOT! (Even though super ugly flopped (What the hell is "Damn I'm worth over 100million, Look I've got beef wit like a 100children????!!!!!!) Peace

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"Ya think Jay's soft, rip Jay off"--Jay-z

"And these niggas is wrong, using ya name in vain/And they claim to be New York's king?/"--Nas

"And it's gon' take all these niggas in the rap game to barely move me/Cuz when I blow shit up I'ma have niggaz fallin' like white bitches in a scary movie!/"--DMX

Not neccessarily a rap song, but a quote nonetheless: "It's not about East or West.It's about niggaz and bitches, power and money, riders and punks. Which side are you on?"--2Pac

Now a rap quote--"I'm a Bad Boy killa, Jay-z die too/Lookin out for Mobb Deep, nigga when I find you/"--2Pac

"I used to get feels on a bitch/Now I throw shileds on the dick/To stop me from that HIV shit"--The G.O.A.T, Notorious BIG

What yp again? I've been readin the most memorable verses, and 99% of them all came from Hillis,3:16, and Best. The one percent? The HA! Remix by bob and the first ever flow he ever did up here. if ya dont remember, he did it on Feb 15, but just for amusement purposes and in no way meant to hurt anyone, oh well fuck it here it goes (And this was meant towards Best during the time):

They call me bob/and me and my boy Rob is gonna cut you like a cod/dont be sad cuz I'm really rad(LOL!!!)and you're just bad/your dumbass probably cant even add/but i'm glad you think you're good/because the niggas around me act just like boys in the hood/like you wish you could find your wood/fatass with no class/after reading these they would have to put you in a cast/you have some skills but they wont last/with me here you might as well sit on your couch and have a beer or fuck a deer/cock sucker!/

LOL!!! This nigga said "rad"!!! No wonder why Best didn't really want to battle with him, or that Hillis didnt take him seriously. I almost fell off my chair.

I'm out,as in knocked-out after i fell down from laughin so hard from readin his rhymes

Man half of you all are CRAZY! You cannot compare Nas to Jay-Z. Jay- Z is a party rapper, he is a pop star. Nas is a lyricist, using a more complex rhyme scheme. Nas ate Jay-Z alive with his Ether literally calling him out on all his lies. Jay-Z isn't a bad rapper in any respect. He has a lot of clever verses, though his rhyme scheme is really simple. It is just STUPID to compare sales. I mean Cash Money Millionares generate some of the highest sales in the industry and they suck at rhyming, they just make party beats and shit you can bob your head to. Jay-Z makes more party songs than Nas which is why he has more sales. Mobb is tighter than Dr. Dre, they would eat him alive, but he makes more sales because he caters to a larger audience, not just the hard-core hip hop crowd. So lyrically Nas kills Jay-Z, but Jay-Z is a good rapper with a good sense of marketing and puts out more party songs. "Big Pimpin" is not a lyrically good song, but it sold millions of his albums, so don't compare sales cuz that's just ignorant.

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Yo,y'all are whack! No doubt, Nas is the best! King, sitts on that throne likea motherfucker.Hova's had his time to shine, Nas is back fosure. Aint no best! Pace Nas and Big! Jigga's a sell out yo, he aint shit. Nas's been throwin it down since 88, he been there, he know bout the rap game! he know. Jigga's a fag yo, like for all yall that like GAYZ and cockafella, name one thing jigga's done better than nas? Nottin! Nas didnt "rip" it, nas IS motherfuckin rippin, it, dawg have u even heard Ether? Smokin? Rewind? that be some deep shit, y'all jigga fans cant cope with y'all about the "girlz girlz girlz," and big pimpin, naw, nas about teh real siht, thug life. The King is back, and motherfuckers, what goes arond comes arond my niggaz, what goes up it must come down my niggaz! Peace, god bless, especiall y'all H to the izzO M to the izzo O fans, y'all need help from the man upstairs. Peace. B.I.G for life.

That-Pac-song-All-Out-is-hot-but-hear-the-original-beat-with-the- original-outlawz-lyrics-much-much-better.Also-Lets-be-friends-is-hot- but-the-original-beat-off-too-gangsta-for-radio-is-much-better.

To all you fags hatin on Nasty Nas, you better sit back and peep albums Illmatic thru Stillmatic that guy snapped on every track, give or take a few. Nas has lots ofcreditability in the game, and the oonly thing he truely lacks at times is production. Yeah, Jig dope, but if he doesn't show me something in Nov. w/ the Blueprint 2 then he may as well call it quits.

P.S. faggots Eminem or Canibus will snap anyone in the rap game.

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Jay-Z's album was more of a beat album cuz if u listen closely he is bout to fall off in the eyes and ears of true rap fans. In almost every song he is riding BIG's dick or stealing BIG's lyrics word for word or other artists for that matter(2PAC, etc.). He'll never be what he once was cuz his not creative enough. If you want proof listen to his album with R. Kelly or the dynasty; they both are garbage albums with no quality material like reasonable doubt. Nas is better than Jay-Z because stillmatic had more meaning and substance and more of a point. I do agree that Nas did fall off himself after he made nastradamus but he now back on top. The only reason Jay-z has had more success is because Jay-Z is more mainstream than Nas, which is also why great lyricists such as Common, Mos Def, and Talib Kweli. And even Pac had better lyrics than Jay-Z during his Makaveli point because each word had a point and served a purpose("We probably in Hell already/Our dumbasses not knowin/Everybody kissin ass to go to Heaven aint goin-Blasphemy). If thats not a true lyric then i dont know what is...

Jay-Z's blueprint was more of a beat album cuz if u listen closely he is bout to fall off in the eyes and ears of true rap fans. In almost every song he is riding BIG's dick or stealing BIG's lyrics word for word or other artists for that matter(2PAC, etc.). He'll never be what he once was cuz his not creative enough. If you want proof listen to his album with R. Kelly or the dynasty; they both are garbage albums with no quality material like reasonable doubt. Nas is better than Jay-Z because stillmatic had more meaning and substance and more of a point. I do agree that Nas did fall off himself after he made nastradamus but he now back on top. The only reason Jay-z has had more success is because Jay-Z is more mainstream than Nas, which is also why great lyricists such as Common, Mos Def, and Talib Kweli. And even Pac had better lyrics than Jay-Z during his Makaveli point because each word had a point and served a purpose("We probably in Hell already/Our dumbasses not knowin/Everybody kissin ass to go to Heaven aint goin-Blasphemy). If thats not a true lyric then i dont know what is...

Those who don't know 50 cent need to get up on a bootleg or a mixtape or something. In "How to Rob", the hook says that "this ain't serious...". He ALWAYS gives Biggie AND Pac their props, and you can hear their influence in his work. Not copying, but strictly influence. He doesn't HAVE to borrow their lines. This proves that he knows his shit. 50 is the best all-around rapper. Why? Because his syle is so versatile. If you listen to his shit, on the collabo songs, soimetimes you can't tell when its him. True it does take some listening, but he RIPS it. I didn't know nothing about 50 cent, but all it took was to listen to the bootleg of Power of a Dollar, and EVERYBODY I know likes his shit. Ya'll need to hear the song with Beyonce. (girls) Also, 50 is one of the few that REALLY lived through some shit worth rapping about. Rappers who take it to the next level are on some shit... then when people like me go to congress fighting for the reputation of hip-hop, we don't have aleg to stand on.

andre 3000 from outkast, can take jay z or nas, FINAL. I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE ABOUT THIS.

Von! Nigga, you gotta hear this. What the hell is your problem?! Andre 3000 of Outcast, messing with Nas or Jay-Z?! You gotta be gay. LAUGH AT HIM! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! -- Dodge Rimus

first of all jay-z makes hits period. he isnt deep his lyrical content is garbage. why dont you cats pick up some real hip hop records and stop listening to the radio. the blueprint has no structure to it. its just 13 songs to make money and play on the radio. why dont you cats pick up a roots record or something. here goes some names for you niggas who stay on the fm radio station: black thought, common, slum village, mos and talib,gangstarr. oh and andre 3000 is that nigga. nas keep doing your thing. that nigga jay-z is mute right about now.

Some screws might be loose in his head..

I've been reading over the comments posted and respect everyone of them. For my 2cents I wanna say that lyrically Nas has it. If your life has any depth to it that is a hands down argument. His rymes are well thought out and meaningful. His inspiration is spiritual. I don't agree with everything he says but that's me. However I do know that Jay-Z's lyrics have the depth of the air above the sears tower. Not that he can't get deep. I will not Judge him. I just believe that he has learned a valuable lesson from Nas. The masses Don't buy truth but Debauch in Hype and Pleasure. Holla Back

Yo most of u fucks dont even listen to rap yall just lookin for whats n for expample.....girls,money n cars yall forget tha #1 rule in rap n thats rymes who is tha best poet not fuckin glam n glory.....by far nas is better then jay-z nas is a true spoken person jay fell off big time wit tha tryin to fit in bullshit...........whos tha best emcees pac/big equal nas eminem and 50 cent bet none of yall ever heard of him till he blew up this/last year

For one I Lisen to rap and 50 CCent has always be bull and he always will be Jay Z is the best rappa a;ive right nowmaybe besides Eminem cuz he's cold

Tes, Tom.... y'all readin' this?


Hey look! I got the last word up in this m*thaf*cker

Nas Vs. Jay-Z is over.50Cent came and just took off with the throne of Prince of New York(BIGGIE is still King).Nas is a different type of rapper anyway,he delivers real messages in his songs.Jay-Z is just a Pop Arisit.In 20 years from now we'll look back and see that Nas was truly one of the greatest ever.

Jay-Z is just another fuckin Will Smith... Except he WILL swear... Fuck!? Whats the last song you heard from Jay-Z where the lyrics actually meant something... I dont say hes not successful... He is when you look at record sales and air-play, but In the eyes of true Hip-Hop/Rap believers in the religeon... He sucks... He doesnt say shit... If it wasn't for the dope producers who just wanna to be accociated with the name and fame of Jigga-man, he would have no hits... If you put all ofJays lyrics on an unknown producers tracks that suck... who would care? Its the hot beats [mostly samples, now every song has a high-pitched oldie female in the background and hook] that carry the sucker. Suge Knight sad the Tupac didn't really hate Jay-Z. I dont' think Suge was paying much attention, As a matter of fact I dont think Suge was as close to 'Pac as he made it look... All he say was $$$$$. Back to Roc-a-Fella. Personally, I think they're wack as fuck. Cams a good lyricist but he rhymes the same words like 3x and says nothing important to the game, life or to his fans. Beanie, i really cant understand how these dudes got deals!!! I think it has something to do with how they act, not rap. Its like murder INC with BLACK CHILD, he sucks but hes a jail motha fucka.

Now let me speak on MURDER INC. Ja is R&B now, make no mistake, he sings y'all. 50 has a good arguement. Stop singing and ill stop dissing. [Or something tot hat effect] Ja Rule should not have stepped to Eminem, Eminem is probably the best freestyle artists ever heard in mainstream. I can't believe his shit. Ja cant even freestyle... Ever heard him? You're right, cause u cant hear it dont mean it aint there. He rips off Pac... so does Nas... everyother beat was Pacs 1st, puts himself on 2Pac songs... Suge said that the Nas/Pac songs 'Thugz Mansion' was disrespectful... So do I.... I think the Ja/Pac song 'Pain' was disrespectful... 50/Biggie song 'Niggaz' was straight because BIG didnt hate on people... Ahgain MURDER INC is suckin off 2Pac with 'The Pledge'. Notice how it sounds like 'Shed So Many Tears' but theres no sample info? Oh yeah, Irv made it up by himself. Then put Pac on the remix, still no sample info? What the fuck!? THEN! Then hes got 'Murder Me' By Ja, bassline is the same as 2Pacs unreleased version of 'When we ride on our enemies' Im a make a ist right here...

Original - Copy - Aspect
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Pac/Troublesome 96 - Nas/If I Ruled The World - Beat
Pac/All Eyez On Me - Nas/Street Dreams - Whole Track
Pac/Papaz Song - Ja/Only Begotten Son - Lyric
Pac/Pain - Ja/So Much Pain - Beat and Sampled Pacs Words
Pac/When we ride on our enemies - Ja/Murder Me - Bassline
Pac/Worldwide Mob Figgaz - Ja/Worldwide Gangstas - Concept
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Nas/Money Is My Bitch - Concept
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Jay-Z/03 Binnie N Clyde - Beat & Hook
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Irv Gotti/Me N MY Boyfriend - Beat & Hook
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Mariah Carey/How Much - Hook
Pac/California Love [Remix] - Freddie Foxxx/Konexion - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Lil Wayne/Way Of Life - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Snoop Dogg/**Cant remember the song** - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Eminem/Quitter - Beat
Pac/Dear Mama - TQ/Westside - Beat

PS remember in "Ether" when Nas dissed JAy-Z for callin his album 'Blueprint' and KRS already did that? Well Nas wasnt dissin Jay for copyin KRS b4 that, but Nas's next album was called THE LOST TAPES... theres a CD in stores you can buy called 'THE LOST TAPES' guess who its by!%2

Jay-Z is just another fuckin Will Smith... Except he WILL swear... Fuck!? Whats the last song you heard from Jay-Z where the lyrics actually meant something... I dont say hes not successful... He is when you look at record sales and air-play, but In the eyes of true Hip-Hop/Rap believers in the religeon... He sucks... He doesnt say shit... If it wasn't for the dope producers who just wanna to be accociated with the name and fame of Jigga-man, he would have no hits... If you put all ofJays lyrics on an unknown producers tracks that suck... who would care? Its the hot beats [mostly samples, now every song has a high-pitched oldie female in the background and hook] that carry the sucker. Suge Knight sad the Tupac didn't really hate Jay-Z. I dont' think Suge was paying much attention, As a matter of fact I dont think Suge was as close to 'Pac as he made it look... All he say was $$$$$. Back to Roc-a-Fella. Personally, I think they're wack as fuck. Cams a good lyricist but he rhymes the same words like 3x and says nothing important to the game, life or to his fans. Beanie, i really cant understand how these dudes got deals!!! I think it has something to do with how they act, not rap. Its like murder INC with BLACK CHILD, he sucks but hes a jail motha fucka.

Now let me speak on MURDER INC. Ja is R&B now, make no mistake, he sings y'all. 50 has a good arguement. Stop singing and ill stop dissing. [Or something tot hat effect] Ja Rule should not have stepped to Eminem, Eminem is probably the best freestyle artists ever heard in mainstream. I can't believe his shit. Ja cant even freestyle... Ever heard him? You're right, cause u cant hear it dont mean it aint there. He rips off Pac... so does Nas... everyother beat was Pacs 1st, puts himself on 2Pac songs... Suge said that the Nas/Pac songs 'Thugz Mansion' was disrespectful... So do I.... I think the Ja/Pac song 'Pain' was disrespectful... 50/Biggie song 'Niggaz' was straight because BIG didnt hate on people... Ahgain MURDER INC is suckin off 2Pac with 'The Pledge'. Notice how it sounds like 'Shed So Many Tears' but theres no sample info? Oh yeah, Irv made it up by himself. Then put Pac on the remix, still no sample info? What the fuck!? THEN! Then hes got 'Murder Me' By Ja, bassline is the same as 2Pacs unreleased version of 'When we ride on our enemies' Im a make a ist right here...

Original - Copy - Aspect
___________________________________________________________
Pac/Troublesome 96 - Nas/If I Ruled The World - Beat
Pac/All Eyez On Me - Nas/Street Dreams - Whole Track
Pac/Papaz Song - Ja/Only Begotten Son - Lyric
Pac/Pain - Ja/So Much Pain - Beat and Sampled Pacs Words
Pac/When we ride on our enemies - Ja/Murder Me - Bassline
Pac/Worldwide Mob Figgaz - Ja/Worldwide Gangstas - Concept
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Nas/Money Is My Bitch - Concept
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Jay-Z/03 Binnie N Clyde - Beat & Hook
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Irv Gotti/Me N MY Boyfriend - Beat & Hook
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Mariah Carey/How Much - Hook
Pac/California Love [Remix] - Freddie Foxxx/Konexion - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Lil Wayne/Way Of Life - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Snoop Dogg/**Cant remember the song** - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Eminem/Quitter - Beat
Pac/Dear Mama - TQ/Westside - Beat

PS remember in "Ether" when Nas dissed JAy-Z for callin his album 'Blueprint' and KRS already did that? Well Nas wasnt dissin Jay for copyin KRS b4 that, but Nas's next album was called THE LOST TAPES... theres a CD in stores you can buy called 'THE LOST TAPES' guess who its by!!! Tupac Amaru Shakur... Nas is a Hypocrit, Jay-Z sucks, Murder INC sings, ROCAFELLA needs to start makin sense, The NAS vsJAYZ beef was publicity. 50 vs JA RULE moves to JA RULE vs AFTERMATH/SHADY and MURDER INC vs 50. Still theres EMINEM vs BENZINO [NAIL IN THE COFFIN was the sickest diss ive heard since HIT EM UP]

dONE

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EASTON out the 315
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Yo! y are they bringin' SisQo in this!? That boy needs to be left alone! I'm sick of dis shit! Everytime some kinda beef start, they always bring my boy up in there! Fuck all y'all haters of Dru Hill & SisQo! That bein' said...

Dave matthews could kick both their asses. DAVE ROX UR ALL GAY YOU RAP FANS.
Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

Yeah, but who'd win in a brawl. A skinny white crypto-hippy or two hardened ghetto-mastas. They'd have to scrape Dafe Mettews off the floor with a very thin spatula.

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