Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

A lot of muthafuckas have different definitions of "freestyle." Some people think that as long as it's not written down, or it's memorized or some other crazy shit, it's a freestyle. To me freestyle, is every single word is off the top of your head. Not rehearsed. Just somebody throwsa topic at you, you get MAYBE a minute or two to collect your thoughts, and then bam. Go. Most freestyles are slow and methodic and cliched and rarely tie together. Like that freestyle shit on 106 Park? Ha! I bet 90% of them niggas memorize what they gon say. If not all of it, then most of it. I can tell you, I listen to Jay and I find it extremely hard to believe he freestyles 75% of his shit. Maybe he freestyles some of it, but 75%? Hardly. And even if it was freestyled, Jigga doesn't rap that fast, so that really don't mean shit nor does it impress me. But I still like Jay more, anyway, no matter if his shit is written or freestyled. That nigga is just better than Nas in my opinion.

Big Ray just who are you adressing in terms of people jumping on the Nas Bandwagon? I havent seen anyone liking nas anyone then they have before and if anything more people on these boards are hating him.

Just wondering Hillis, who right now, are you feeling in the south.

Oh yeah, when posting my reply yesterday I forgot about the East/South debate.

I'm from the midwest, but went to school in Atlanta. Before I even got down there, though, my favorite music came from Outkast. Now, 8 years after SouthernPlayalistic, they are still holding down my top spot.

Outside of the Dungeon Family, though, I'd have to say that I think the east contributes more to hip hop than does the south. Artists like Jay-Z, Nas, and the Wu (I'm not a particular fan of theirs, but I respect their contribution) represent the East very well. Don't get me wrong, in the club I like southern music much more than east coast. I've got Bubba's and Ludacris' CDs. I like southern music. But when artists like the Hot Boys, 3-6 mafia, and Silk-da-shocka can flourish, that takes away a bit from southern credibility (in my opinion).

YO BIG J COULD YOU GIVE ME DETAILS OF WHAT HAPPEN ON RAP CITY WHEN NAS WAS THERE AND TELL ME IF YOU RECORDED IT CUZ I DIDNT GET TO SEE IT.YO I WONDER UNTIL WHERE GONNA DO THIS TREAD CUZ IVE HAD A FUN TIME IN HERE I HOPE IT GOES ON FOR A LONG ASS TIME BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE IT UP FOR THE PERSON THAT CREATED A PLACE SO WE COULD DISSCUSS THESE ISSUES.AND THAT WAS DAVID RAPOSA THAT STARTED IT BACK ON AUGUST THE SECOND.ANYWAY WERES STEPH SHE HASENT BEEN ON HERE FOR A MINUTE.WWE ALSO HAVE TO GIVE IT UP TO QOOLOUT FOR BIENG HERE SINCE SEPTEMBER 18TH.THEN BEST CAME TO THE SCENE ON THE SAME DAY QOOLOUT DID MAKING THEM THE VETERANS.THEN WE CANT FORGET ABOUT HILLIS WHEN HE CAME IN TWO DAYS LATER SO HE IS WITH THAT VETERANS CLUB.THEN I CAME OCTOBER 17 TRYING TO FIND THE PRODIGY PICTURES FROM SUMMER JAM.BUT I GOT TIED IN THIS THREAD AND ITS BEEN GOOD SO.I HOPE WE HAVE MORE GOOD TIMES ON THIS THREAD ANYWAY AM OUT. ONE!

Nah LOX,i only saw parts of it. Tigga seemed to be gettin on Nas's nerves. They talked about Nas writing movies and the cover of his album and shit. They might have talked about the beef but too bad i didnt see it all.

As far as lyricist go Jay, Nas, 2Pac, and Biggie are all tremendous talents, but when there is a discussion of who is the greatest of all time some names MUST BE mentioned- Rakim, KRS- One, Kool Moe Dee, Melle Mel, T La Rock, Chuck D, and Grandmaster Cas and to a lesser degree LL, MC Shan. Any discussion without them is incomplete. It's just like when discussing who is the greatest basketball player of all time you have to mention Wilt Chaimberlain, Bill Russell, and Jerry West along with Jordan, Bird, and Magic. The older stuff is more simplistic but still pure artistic genius. It laid the foundation for the present day MC's to build upon just like Pac, Nas, Biggie are laying a foundation for the future. It was more artistic and less commercial than nowadays because there was less

I am glad that Nas discovered his artistic inspiration. Sometimes it takes a feud to do that just like Moe Dee found inspiration to smoke LL. Maybe it was Jay that prompted him to get refocused.

Nas is garbage, Jadakiss is good but he dont want wit ho Nas is scared to death of jay

if you from tha south shut the fuck up if you from tha north shut tha fuck up

my niggas representin tha whole nyc raise up shouts to da west fuck tha rest they oldschool and they artist be wack too

tha infamous mobb need to make a comeback

nas is garbage hes tha reese witherspoon of tha rap industry fuckin model

Did u people ever bother listening to "Ether"? I mean come on, Nas rips Jigga a new asshole on that track.

Lox this is the realest joint. David did start it and I give him his props. But I saw him on another thread (not trying to start anything) and he seemed to be bad mouthing us. Don't worry; I repped. Anyway, we all made this joint tight; without him we could not have done it, but without us this joint would be weak. One thing I like about this is that we talk about everything from movies, to music, to games, to Beyonce' (LOL) to cartoons, to sports, to etc. and we always manage to eventually get back to the topic of Jay vs Nas. Hillis, I peeped the flow and I know that that movie wasn't supposed to be funny, but it had me rolling too. And I felt what u were saying as far as the freestyling goes. Again, we see a Jay fan who just can not debate his point. 1st of all, how would any of us know if Jay is freestyling or not. 2nd, the man already said that he memorizes his lyrics. THAT IS NOT FREESTYLING. And 3rd, let's just say he actually did freestyle 75% of his stuff (which I seriously doubt) so what? Example: What if the Lakers play the 76ers and the Lakers practice 24-7 and the Sixers never practice. What matters, who won or who did the best under the circumstances? Point is I don't care if he spit from the top of the head or from the pen and pad. I care about who won or who sounds better. Don't make excuses; it's not like someone told Jay to only freestyle, which I doubt he does. Lastly, did I call it or did I call it? Most Jay fans who post on here (not all of them) spit nonsense. "Jay is way hotter, Nas is trash blah blah blah." I'll let Hillis handle cuz, but I will give you a Jay quote which explains why I won't bother with you. Don't argue with fools cuz people from a distance can't tell whose who.

WHAD UP PEOPLE!? I KNOW YOU KATZ DUN HEARD THAT NEW FREESTYLE DISS ON NAS, FROM: BEANIE, FREEWAY, AND THE YOUNG GUNZ!! ESPECIALLY YOU KATZ IN NY. (BICUPZ TO BROWNSVILLE,MY OLD PLACE IN BK) ANYWAY, THEM KATZ I GUESS CALL THEMESELVES RESPONDING TO ETHA OR WHATEVA. IM WAY IN NC RIGHT NOW, AND THEY PREMIERED IT YESTERDAY, AT 5:00. ANYWAY, THE SHYT WAS GARBAGE. BEANIE, AND CHRIS WERE LIKE THE MOST DECENT KATZ! WHOLE THING WAS LIKE 8:00. THEY GOT ON NAS SOME, BUT ON JADA MORE!! AND ON J~HOOD. FOR YOU KATZ WHO DONT KNOW HIM, HE'Z THE NEWEST KAT WITH THE LOX. NICCA 18 YRS OLD. NASTY LYRICZ! ANYWAY,IM REAL ANXIOUS TO HEAR WHAT NAS, JADA, J~HOOD, AND STYLEZ HAVE TO SAY. KATZ IN CHARLOTTE WAS CALLIN IN LIKE " YO THAT SHYT WAS WHACK!" THE RADIO BLEW IT UP SO MUCH. HAD ME THINKING, THE ROC DID IT THIS TIME. ANYWAY THOUGH, LET YALL KATZ KNOW MORE FAV EMCEE. nAS OF COURSE!! JAY IS NYCE, IVE BEEN WIT HIM SINCE 95, AND NAS SINCE 96. nAS IS ON ANOTHER LEVEL. JAY IS NO WERE NEAR nAS AREA. NAS DONT EVEN HAVE TO MAKE A RESPONSE BACK, BUT IM SURE HE WILL, B/C BEANIE HAD ALOT OF PUNCH POINTS AT nAS. AND FOR ALL YOU LOX FANZ. I LIKE THE LOX SOME WHAT, OR WHATEVA, BUT BEANIE ATE THE F&#@ OUT OF JADAKISS!! HE DIDNT EVEN COME HARD WITH HIS RESPONSE BACK, BUT HOPEFULLY HE WILL, WHEN HE COLLABORATES WITH nAS HOPEFULLY! ONE MORE THING. I DUNNO IF YOU KATZ HATE ON MY MANZ IN HERE, BUT LL IS THAT NICCA ALSO! YOU KATZ KNOCKIN LL FOREVA IN A DAY, NEED TO STOP IT, B/C THAT NICCA'Z LYRICZ B ON POINT ALSO. (SMILE) ASK CANIBUS, ICE-T, AND KOOL MOE DEE!! IF YOU DOWNLOAD MUSIC, GET THESE JOINTS

1. JACK THE RIPPER (LL DISS TO KOOL MOE DEE) 2. RIPPER STRIKES BACK (LL DISS TO CANIBUS) 3. JAY~Z DISS (MOBB DEEP)

THAT'S ALL I GUESS. ANYWAY JAY IS GABBAGE,TRASH,GARBAGE,CAN,LAME, WEAK WHATEVA YOU CALL IT!! COMPARED TO THE nAsTy mAn HIMSELF nAS!! IF ANY OF YOU FEMALES WANNA SEE WHAT A NICCA LOOK LIKE OR WHATEVA, GET AT ME ON BLACKPLANET. MY SCREEN NAME IS IVERSON_JEWLEZ@BLACKPLANET.COM

ALL IS WELL

P.S. MUCH LUV TO MY LATIN KING, BLOOD, AND VICELORD NICCAZ!!

ALL IS WELL***** AND NO I DONT BANG NO MORE. JUST REMEMBER WERE I CAME FROM

Tino, of course we've all listen to Ether. Yeah, Jay has a new one. WHat's your point?

"if you from tha south shut the fuck up..." - Spliff

Who...is this rudy poo? Spliff, seriously, tell H3K your real name... IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS!!! The fact of the matter of is this, DA SOUTH has millions...AND MILLIONS of fans just chanting its name...(DIRTY, DIRTY, DIRTY, DIRTY) so you can just take your keyboard, shine it up real nice, turn that sonbitch sideways, and stick straight up YOUR CANDY ASS!!!

Sorry bout that. Big J makin big pay! I be feelin Ludacris right now. UGK, Three 6, and Outkast are always bein felt though. That new Mystikal has few cuts on it. The Best, if I had to pick only ONE CD, I'd probably have to pick "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik."

Did y'all see them Bucs vs. the Eagles? I will smack Tampa Bay. I'm thinkin they might actually be good and they still suck. They haven't used Keyshawn right, YET! Dungy is supposed to take the fall for all this, but the Bucs just aren't Super Bowl material, and they've proven that this past two years. Even though Dungy is cool, I think Parcells would definitely be a better coach. If they could get The Big Tuna, I might have to agree with letting Dungy go. Them there Lakers are tight, Big J! Why you hate em? Is it cuz of Shaq or Kobe? Or both?

NBBJ, when talkin bout Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Pistol Pete, Jordan, Bird, etc. you and I both know that one stands out. Jordan! And who is the Jordan of the rap game? 2Pac! Fake thug or not, he was still the greatest RAPPER ever. His MUSIC was definitely the best, whether or not Suge forced him into that type of image or not.

I'm out like the Bucs from the playoffs... Peace!

Watup everyone, Steph is back. I just been busy lately and shit. I've been reading the new posts every so often but havn't had the chance to post. Thanks for the shoutouts j-dolo, SecondSage and LOX. Anyway, here I am. There so much sports talk goin on up in here its craaaazy. Personally I really prefer the hiphop talk but I won't try and stop y'all. lol. I'm tired and aching like fuck cuz I had a bball tournament friday and yesterday, it went well, we won our division and I got played most of the time. I got fouled out our last game tho ha but there wuz only like 3 mins. to go.

I read the other day that Suge Knight got into some shit over not paying taxes. But he blamed it on someone else and got out of it but now his dad, Marion Knight sr. is getting blamed and has to go to court and shit. It wuz I think for a few hundred thousand dollars. And his dad might end up with 5 years probation or something like that.

I saw the video for Got Yourself A Gun the other day. I don't think anyones said anything about it, have any of u seen it? Well its an amazing video considering the song isn't the greatest. Nas is in a church and goes into the confession booth and is talkin to the priest and then you see a pic of 2pac in his car and then it like morphs into Nas in the car and on the screen it says "September 7th 1996" and u see the shooting. Then u see a pic of Big and it morphs into Nas and he gets into a car and it says on the screen "March 9th 1997" and u see the shooting. Then later Nas goes to the cemetary to the gravestones of Pac and Big, I loved the video. And last weekend on muchmusic they were showing battles and shit and were gonna show Mobb Deep, Nas, Jay-Z, and im not sure wat else, thats all they said but i went out and forgot! But anyway if u havn't seen that video u should download it or find some way to see it. I agree with that talk way back about Eminem. I been listenin 2 The Slim Shady LP a lot recently. That and Stillmatic of course. But ya I skip theres a lot to skip on the Slim Shady LP. The skits are gay and a few songs such as My Fault and Cum On Everybody are kinda stupid. Well whether or not I listen to them depends on my mood. But yea Eminem is without a doubt one of the best lyricists in my opinion and hes for sure better than Jay-Z. He tells stories better and puts a lot more expression into songs. Hes even got more expression than Nas but I dunno I find it kinda hard to compare the two.

Well I'm out for now. Oh ya and Hillis I liked ure lil rap. If we ever start a new page u should put that at the top. And PLEASE can we do something about getting a new page because its fuckin long!
Later

Aiyo wuz up niggaz....Big J, Hillis, Q, LOX, S. Sage, J Dolo and ladie (s)....Steph. Damn dun I am back in the "DIRTY", and believe me it is dirty and humid as a mothaphucka down here in Baton Rouge. I leave for a couple of days and there's a wo named Big Roy that comes on to this piece talkin' mad nonsense. WOW, dun knows the title of the first joint off of Illmatic....everybody give this nigga a standing ovation. Aiyo, Roy I have known about and been reppin' Nas since he was 16 years old, when he ripped a group of elite emcees (including the likes of Kool G Rap) on the Main Source joint Live at the BarBQ in 1990, so dun there's no dick rydin here. Also, Jay Z NEVER EVER freestyled his lyrics, you must be thinkin' of BIG because "Ready To Die" was a freestyled album, but Jay Z said it himself that he thinks of his bars in his head and memorizes them (THAT'S NOT FREESTYLING). Oh yeah and since Jay supposedly freestyles his shit how come he didn't freestyle the chorus on Dead Presidents 2 instead of using Nas's voice LMAO. I also peeped out that Nas and The Lox diss by Beanie Gorilla, Freegay, and those pricks state property. On top of it being EXTREMELY WACK, those cowards stole one of Pac's lines from Bomb First. It went like this "I'm a Styles P killa, Jae Hood die too, lookin' out for Nasir, nigga when I find you....", these dudes are pathetic and just dying for attention. I don't know about The Lox and J. Hood, but Nas said that he wasn't going to respond to anymore of the Cock A Fella's WACK disses. A niggaz, I'm going to pledge Kappa Alpha Psi this semester. If any of you know about pledging or Greek Life give dun some feed back.

"I'm always confirmed/ me and my fam are tight like THE FIRM"-Jay Z on "Can't Knock The Hustle"

"Nigga you been on my dick, you love my style"-Nas on "Ether". Now analyze the two quotes.

In the words of LOX "IM OUT" ~1~

I dont like the Lakers because phil jackson and Shaq are always talkin shit to someone. "Without Weber, the Kings are an expansion team"-Shaq. well that expansion team whooped your asses without weber that same day! Shaq also elbowed my man Dikembe a few times and talked trash to him too, but Mutombo aint all that bright. Did anyone see shaq get in that fight during the bulls game last night? Shit was real funny. Shaq went to punch this dude in the face really hard but he missed, then Charles Oakly and someone else pushed shaq on the ground lol.

Im really feelin Outkast, Bubba, and a lil bit of 8ball.

"Ask Nas he don't want it it Hov", Nuh sun, Nas want it with Hov, Beanie, Bleek and the rest of Cock a fella, And after checkin' out Stillmatic he's up to crush anyone steppin' to the plate.

Stillmatic got five mics!? Has the world lost its mind? If there was any doubt that "The Source" is just selling its reviews to the major record companies, this should remove it. "Stillmatic" is a good album but FAR from the caliber of "Illmatic." Hell, "The Blueprint" wasn't even worth the five mics, but it deserved them more than "Stillmatic" does.

And for all of those who keep on saying that Nas, Jay-Z, and Jada(!) are the best lyricists, you heads should dig a little and get into the Hip Hop underground. Stop eating what the record companies are feeding you . . . undergroundhiphop.com is a good place to start.

Yo! This thread is hotting up and shit! Qoolouts back, Stephs back, and, DAMN! The rulers back! 3:16 is back! I cant be fucked with beef no more, so they the only people who gonna be back for a while.

Busta Rhymes album is straight up WACK! I had all high expectations and shit. MAN THE ALBUM COVER LOOKS GOOD! (so does b.spears but that dont make the shit good) THE INTRO IS FUNNY AS HELL! TRACK 2 IS OK! DAMN! I'MA TURN THIS SHIT OFF! Break ya neck is tight to def though!

STILLmatic shouldn't of got 5 mics, Blueprint shouldn't of got 5 mics. Maybe 4/4.5 each. Look at it like that and Reasonable Doubt and Illmatic should get 8 mics or some crazy high shit like that!

Steph, you live anywhere near Whistler?

I cant think of any other shit to say apart from I agree with whoever said Macy Gray sucks bad. But anyone who can get a record deal with laryngitis must have some kind of business savy. But fuck that, shes ugly as hell!

Peace

Just my lil opinion: I think that Stillmatic did deserve 5 mics.
lol

Nope 3:16, Whistler's at the other end of the country. About 5 hours or so by plane from mtl. Is that where ure going to be working?

Yeah, and what the fuck has happened to the Blazers, potentially the best team in the league! What the fuck is going on!

hey, its that nigga you hate to love,..............

you remember,...... that new annoying nigga that wants to run shit , ....yeah, him.

yo, if ANY aya'll every get a chance to go over seas, go to Japan, that has to be one of the illest places to go, they love Black people over there, and the women,.............. man, damn. ........ i mean they aint what im used to, you know, thicky thick, but them lil skinny ass women is sexy as hell, true they thighs dont touch, but you have to overlook that.

now, id ,like to go back in time and change some shit i said, and its really been rackin my brain. at one point in time i said that stillmatic was right above garbage,and i was wrong, the mos i listen to it the better it sounds, it kinda grows on you. now i still dont feel its truly "classic", but i do apologize, it is better than what i said it was.

outkast has done it again..........

if the mama was a quarter, daugter must be a dime.

oh yeah, i almost forgot............hi steph.

What i think about all of you here at this wonderful board

Steph: I want to fuck you so bad!!!!!!!!! LOX: a dumbass who doesnt know how to cut the caps lock off. Best: Illegal Alien from Africa whos been rejected from all the. colleges. Qoolout: Pussy ass who thinks hes the leader of this board. Big J: Big Gay who isnt good enough to play little league. Hillis 3000: Tries to impress people by kissing everyones ass with a stupid freestyle. SecondSage: Very stupid name who comes in here always yelling "lets get back to the topic!" loser

Damn, 3:16! It's like that?

you know what, i just read the verse from "best" from the third of Jan. that was hot.... i give tha nigga props on that one.

Actually Hillis, no, it aint!

DAMN! I'm guessing somebody up on here (somebody who can type 3:16) dont really want me to stop beefing, well, this is the REAL "s0106495@glos.ac.uk". Will the real internet prankster please stand up! Dont make me start typing FUCK YOU a lot. I'm guessing it aint Steph, LOX, Qoolout, Hillis or SecondSage. hmmm... now, who the fuck does that leave... come on, dont be an internet pussy too son, stand the fuck up.

When the fuck have I ever used the word loser?

Just in case you aint get the point of this, I didn't send up that last post. Was it you Kazper, maybe, was it a one timer, maybe. Whoever the fuck it was, stand up you pussy.

On a more cheery note, hehe, yeah Steph, if I do go to Canada, thats where i'm working, shit, I got turned down by Disney in Florida! I'm gonna kick Mickey Mouses ass!

Peace

Uhh hi to u too kazpar....

Didn't think it wuz u who wrote that 3:16, personally i think its kazpar lol

LOL, we know it wasn't you 3:16, and for real Steph, I'd like to bring it to kazper but we don't know if it was cuz so I'll leave it alone. I will say it was someone who has been following this thread for a long time. This is what I have to say to that wanna be. "I'm glad we inspire you, but impostor, why are you so mad? Try to understand, that we do want you as a fan." I can (maybe) understand a person being scared to speak his or her mind face to face...but you are on the Internet. What is there to fear? Use your own identity. Big J, I saw Shaq. Do you think he missed on purpose or what? I couldn't really tell, but it seemed like it was a clear shot. And about Phil Jackson...that man is sooo overrated, I've been saying it for years. Philly's coach even said (last season) "If Phil had any heart he would have coached Toronto." LOL. Why does that man receive so much praise when all he does is go where the best players are? Steph, stop hackin so much. Sike lol, how many points did you have. What up Best? I said the same thing about that freestyling. I guess some peeps don't know the definition of freestyling. 3:16, I don't think cuz is gonna stand up, but time will tell. We got a new coah yet again in Washington. I don't follow college ball so tell me, is this Spurrier man any good. I mean, I know he is, but can he take that talent to the NFL. And since my boys are nowhere near the playoffs this year, I'm gonna root for Kordell and them. I always liked running QB's and no true Skins fan likes the Ravens; it just can't be done, lol. Who you pulling for Hillis? Oh yeah, Best if you know where I can hear that new Nas /Jada diss, let me know.

3:16, I didn't really think it was you, so that's why I asked. I wanted to be sure that my UK homeboy hadn't gone sour on a DOWN SOUTH hustla. Anyway, someone on here must not like. I don't think it's kazper, though. Whoever it is, they must know how beef is in here, and instead of using their real name, they gotta hide behind somebody with pull in here. 3:16, you're the lucky one whose email must have been easy to type, I guess. Oh well, who cares? Maybe I'm next.

Some of it was funny. I remember when I first started on here, I used to fuck with Lox about them caps. Fellas, don't hate on Phil! All he does is maximizes talent! Shaq and Kobe didn't start winning until Phil got there. I don't think there are any other coaches who could have gotten a 15-1 playoff run out of the Lakers. Also, Phil maximized talent with Jordan, too. He's more of a mental leader than a strategic tactician. When you have talent like he finds, he simply maximizes their productivity by challenging them to step up their games. You gotta admit, eight rings is no coincidence, or fluke, or luck. Michael Jordan wasn't simply the best when Phil first got a hold of him. Plus, he did stick around after Jordan left, and got the Bulls within 6 games of the NBA Finals, after their on court leader left. That's not bad. Look at the Bulls now w/o Jordan. Look at the Wiz w/a 38 yr. old Jordan. So losing him when he was 29 had to have been even more crucial. I don't think Phil is overrated, I just think people fail to realize that their are other coaches who could have produced similar results with the same talent.

That Shaq fight was some bullshit. I think he missed on purpose, too. How do you miss somebody with they back turned. If he was mad, he probably would have pushed him first. I think Shaq is trying to scare people from fouling him. It won't work, though. You can't hold Shaq without fouling him, even if you try not to. Shaq my boy, so he just need to calm his down. I'm just waitin for the day he chokeslams somebody.

Qoolout, I don't think Spurrier will fit in the NFL, though I won't be surprised if he does. I don't think grown men will put up with his antics, nor will he be able to bring in the nation's best like he did with recruiting. Redskin personnel is shaky for a Spurrier system. Someone also brought up the point that his QBs are never any good in the NFL. I believe it's because all of FLA's receivers do the work. However, Spurrier has a better chance than any other coach out there (save Bill Parcells) of turning the Skins into a contender.

The Blazers downfall was coaching, pure and simple. Mike Dunleavy didn't place Scottie Pippen in a leadership role, nor did he develop Rasheed Wallace into a go to player. Mike Dunleavy lacked the kahones to sit players down, and it came back to bite him in the ass.

I'm out like Tony Dungy from the Bucs. Peace.

all ya need to shut da fucc up. ya need to stop dickridin ya pussie ass mafuccas..................................

Yo, who the fuck is typin like that. Lil rookies, too illiterate to read one post. Yo, this is to the fake 3:16.... na, fuck him, or better yet, let steph do it with a wood strap-on dildo. He want's to fuck her right??

Since I can't beat the Sports Illustrated Movement, I have to join it. My BEARS are gonna do it this year. The Pack and The Rams are gonna beat each other up so bad. The problem with philly is they traded their whole team. I jumped off the Jordan bulls to join them cause I liked Iverson and Ratliff. Philadelphia is a historically bad trading team. They need new ownership.

But, you know me, back to the topic, I'm awaiting a ROOTS album or Black Thought's solo release. This is my flavor. Besides, Tariq is my middle name. Mos Def proved his point in rock'n'roll and needs to drop another classic. oh yeah, Hillis, "Black On Both Sides" has good music. I know cats don't be feelin "deep" shit butthis fits my brainwaves.

What the fuck is deep anyway?????? I think I just talk regular. I came into alot of info over the last couple years that helps me put shit in perpective. I feel like I almost got bird's eye view on shit.

Oh, yeah, to the fake 3:16, my name is not stupid. My name is original as fuck. I have it on every website known. By the time mofo's know enough about it to want to copy it I'll already have it on lock. It's my internet name, my stage name (If I ever get in the game), and my pen name (If I decide to write books). No one has had a name this original in a while.

Big-J, and all other cats that be in NY, I need consistent updates. I'm stuck here with Petey.

Keep me up on info

Hillis,

No way is 2Pac the greatest rapper of all-time. Rakim and Kool Moe Dee are definitely better. Pac is a tremendous talent, but he doesn't quite reach Rakim's and KMD's level. If 2Pac is Jordan then Rakim is Superman.

First and foremost, the artificial ass 3:16 has received a technical foul for that hoax. We all know that you are dying for attention, and you captured everyones attention so now are you satisfied. Now you can reveal your true identity, so I can humiliate your dolo ass. Man I am not going to knock the South dun, the women are mad gorgeous. Damn, up in NY we have the Puerto Rican mommies, but Louisiana comes equipped with those lucious creole chicks. Damn, those broads are fine. I'm also kind of mad though because I don't get any more Hot 97, instead I get the "Bounce It Back" every two min. rotation from 94.1. It's a fuckin' coincidence that when I came back down here mothaphuckas that was dick riding Jay Z are now all of a sudden reppin' Nas LMAO. Oh yeah and speakin' of the league my New York Football Jets got man handled by Rice and the Raiders on Sat. It's alright though because C. Martin still had a mad year with over 1,500 yards rushing, and he will be goin' to Hawaii. I can't wait for Nas's next single to air, my sources tell me it's either going to be "Poison" or "Rule". I hope it's "Poison" so niggaz can realize that there's more to offer to hip hop than ice, dough, hoes, and whips. Mad love to all of the vets on the board holdin' they own, and thanks Kazper for reppin' a niggaz rhyme. In the words of LOX "I'M OUT". ~1~

"As a music dude I mastered this rubix cube"-Nas

NBBJ, I gotta disagree to the utmost. When people say B.I.G is better than Pac, I at least can understand why they say that...but it doesn't change my opinion that Pac is the best. Now you are saying Rakim and Kool Moe Dee are better? Can you please explain? No offense, but I find that only old heads rep for Rakim and KMD. If I'm wrong let me know. But the truth is, if you are old or not, those rappers are not near being Superman, or Jordan, or the greatest. Yes, they paved the way. Yes, they opened doors, but that does not make them the best. And let's not forget Rakim's last CD. That was proof that the game has passed him by. He gets my respect for what he has done, but let's not make him bigger than what he is. And not only am I saying Pac is better, but Nas and Jay, etc. are better too. Like I said, they did rep in the past, but that's the past. Hillis, Phil is overrated. You think he would have won any of them Bulls titles without Jordan? I don't. He did get LA a ring in his 1st year with them, but it was clear that LA was already getting better. Kobe has gotten better every year. If Phil would had been there since Kobe got there, would they have more titles? I doubt it. I'm not saying he's a bad coach; I'm saying he is overrated. Just like that ex mayor Rudy of New York. And New York in general. I feel for those who got hurt or lost their life Sept. 11th, but all I hear is New York, New York. I never hear anything about D.C. You'd think no one in Washington got hurt or killed Sept. 11th. My bad, y'all, I just had to get that off my chest. Anyway, this quote had me laughing. "By the time mofo's know enough about it to want to copy it I'll already have it on lock." ~Second Sage.

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I usually go on to this board for about an hour but yesterday it took over a half an hour just for the old post to load up. That was when I said enough was enough we got to starting a new page. I also got the idea from Steph, good looking out. So please all the regulars and up and coming posters that was on the original please continue where we left off on the old board on here. The old post will never be forgotten but it spirit should live on through a new post that will not benefit an ultimate price to see. This to all of the regulars- Qoolout, Hillis 3000, Big J, The Best, Second Stage, LOX, 3:16, Steph, and anyone that I forgot to include come also. here is the link so you can paste it on:

http://www.ilxor.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=007gUW Please come and may the Saga Continue.

Link to the new thread.

Fat Joe has been hating on Jayz since 98, when he said in a magazine interview that Jay was gay because he rapped about things like women's fingernails and shit. Big Pun gave a interview saying the same things.

Jay-Z Nas hip-hop throw down and other throw downs? Continued? Oh well, I must say it's good to see everybody again. On a hip-hop note, I've noticed that everybody is talkin about "Ether." It's amusing because last month it was "Takeover" burnin it up. A lot of these people haven't heard "Super Ugly," though. I think even though a lot of people on theses threads said Super Ugly is weak, I think it's gonna be just as hard as Ether because a lot of people will be impressed that Jay-Z fucked Nas' baby momma.

Sage, I ain't tryin to hate, but the Bears are garbage. They are thanking God they don't have to see the Pack because their season would be guaranteed to end that day. The Bears don't have a chance against the Rams or the Pack, in my opinion. I think they are a continuation of last year's Giants. But oh well, I'd rather the Bears win than the Packers or the Rams. But I find it unlikely. However, I'm pullin for an AFC team, even if it means cheering for the hated Ravens.

Best, again not hating, but I would suggest considering Omega Psi Phi. Kappas are nice, but they don't always get nationwide respect. Omegas always get respect, no matter what. However, Omegas have a loud, rowdy, "doggish" image, and that may not be you. But the Kappas have a pretty boy image that isn't me. So it's whatever. Even though I'm sure you know this already, I'll tell you anyway: pledging a frat at an HBCU means you gon get yo ass WHIPPED! And sometimes for no other reason than they just want to whip y'all's asses. Good luck, though. You'll be all right.

I'm out like Marty Schottenheimer in Washington. Peace!

Qoolout

Interesting comments and I can appreciate your opinion. I still disagree, but that is the nature of discussion. I am curious to learn what aspects of Biggy and 2Pac that you find better than Rakim and KMD. I enjoy both 2Pac and Biggy very much, but as far as them having superior lyrical skills to Rakim and KMD I just don't see it.

At times both KMD and Rakim suffered from the problem of mediocre beats. I found KMD's last stuff and Rakim's last stuff to be disappointing, but at their best Rakim and KMD are second to none in my book.

NBBJ, we moved to a new home. Scroll up a lil and click on the link made by Zebedee. And I stated my point for the most part and I respect your opinion too. I challenge you to post Rakim's or KRS' deepest or best lyrics and I'll post something 10 times better by Pac BIG, Nas or Jay. Deal? But do it on the new board; this is probably my last post here.

First off, I do not think..I know that Nas is ten times better than Jay-z. I bet you any amount of money that if you put Nas and Jay-z on 106th and park on the free style battle Nas would win anyday.. Just like Emineem ripped jigga Nas will.. I think Nas is the best rapper alive right now..I do not think he was the best because the best were Biggie and Pac but Nas is the best lyricist and rapper alive right now!! I love him and i love his new album..

first off no one fuckin wit quensbrigde or ruff ryders like my dog DMX even said school street school street home of the brave now u know where im from where its at, and like my nigga kiss said d- block my man stay shoutin his shit out and kayz cockafella whtever this folls name is if he was that bouted he would se kiss when he sees him and u know where prodigy , nas and them be at Queensbridge, personally jay z aint shit i always got love for Queensbridge niggas and niggas from yonkers you know the ruff ryders and if any one wana see me see me when u see me im dat gangsat ill even give u my address 23 riverdale in yonkers dog (holla)

The "Stillmatic" Freestyle was poetic and clever. "The Takeover" was a very strong response, but "Ether" blew it to pieces. "Supa Ugly" was a desperate and pathetic attempt at coming back at Nas. Jigga please! Ran out of ideas Hova? Weak. Nas won this hands down. I'll give props to Jay-Z though, that "People Talkin'" freestyle he did recently was impressive... but Nas still sits on the throne.

Nas is not the best emcee out there, but he is close. Jay-Z has had commercial success but he put's out another album every 3 weeks. Jay-Z's beats are hella tight but half the time he makes no sense lyrically. Nas can put out an album every 3 or 4 years and still make a big dent in the music industry without a neptune, Timbaland or Dr. Dre beat. The Flex freestyle proved that he has and will continue to win this rap war. You can make all the comments about sleeping with his baby mom, but he ripped Jay-Z over and over again. He's not even with the chick any more!!! Jay-Z started something he can't finish. Jigga man needs to sit his uglu ass down and think of another wack rhyme to come back with. He makes no sense at all in "Super Ugly" he doesn't even rhyme and he's off tempo. The "Pretty Poet" got this one, hands down.

Anyone on this thread, sit down, ATTENTION! This thread has moved to a new location cos this one is getting long as FUCK! Scroll up the page to find the link posted by Zebedee.

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fIrSt Of ALLL naz CANNOT compare himself to 2 PAC and or Biggie .naz Refers himself as 1 of da Best rapers, and compares his struggle with pacs. PAC hated naz. naz IS just a Dick riding washed up actor, who is not as have of a lyricist that tupac was, and will never touch Jay Z style...

I think Nas is the best Mc in N.Y. now that biggie died Jay-z just made a few good sounds and some bits with the help of other rapper if anybody knows about HipHop its me its all i lisent to undergroud musik strait from P.Rico de home of the Underground HipHop just like i thougt you guys dont know about that ask Nas him self much love to the real hiphop lover fuck J-bitch NewYork-TO-Puerto RICO (Nas)the King is back<.....

i told yall i'd be back, yo sage i aint forget about you. just cuz i said u may think its ignorant and narrowminded, that doesnt mean that it is. i know yall heard that esther. nas ripped jigga man a new assholw. "foxy got you hot cuz you kept your face in her puss what u think you gettin girls now cuz of yo looks" whoo that shits tight, holla back

yo" naz is a fag, better understand that, don't disrespect my nigga jay-z, y'all must think i'm crazy, put yo hand up if you feeling me, but say stay out my way, cuz i ain't that funny, just letting y'all know who gots the perfection role, putin" 10 and moe m's, tell me if you did not buy his flow! did'nt he say "if he not better than biggs, then he'll be the close one." you sould understand that never estimated, trust me he will make you elimated. uhhh!!! one luv jigga!!!

k i aint never been a Biatch to hate on any Rappers. we all should be glad dat this beef stays on wax. YA hEARD. or we gon have 2 more deaths wit rappers. Now first off, is'nt it funny how JAy Z got beef wit everyone.!! c'mon now. he did start it all so wateva. anyways nas is tight though still check out his joint "Ether" off of stillmatic. i know i did alittle bit of hatin but i juss hope they juss keep it on wax, they should know better from wat happend to pac and Big. But when it comes to the all dem(Nas,Prodigy,jadakiss and jigga)all got some Tuff beats.

Please calm down and take a seat. Jay Z is a fabricated rapper and so are any of his counterparts, and his buddies dont have any record sales either. As for Jadakiss his style is week, he cant ryhme, his voice sounds just like the other two Lox bed-buddies as for Nas, Lyriacally untouchable and probably the most competent of all them but still his pockets are fat and any thug stories he tells, are old enough passed down at campfires. He's been out of the ghetto too long to remember what a gun looks like. So overall, not just because im a fan of him, but i believe 2pac is the king of New York. dont forget he was born in B.K, he schooled Biggies to the game, dissed out all thre of those bastards and stayed ghetto until the day he died. Oh not to mention in 2001 his record sales beat Jay Z's, Jada's, and Nas's. This even tough he's been dead for 5 years.....now what does that say when his record sales in New York State beat all of theirs, now as for the fued, jay z is gonna lose it when Nas disses him out, turning like 60 next year both rappers will sit down and retire like they should have years ago and settle their differences in a nice quiet game of B.I.N.G.O, and Jadakiss will cling to DMX like father and son and just hope x features him on a track in the future, so he can live up to what he says and actually have money. Thanks my name is Big D and im from tha B holdin it down..... Big L R.I.P, 2pac R.I.P

i agree with the guy above hes so true but many of u fags like roc and he roc suckes and there artists are hobos in the making, thanks