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Greatful Dead: Led to HOW many jam bands?
Lynyrd Skynyrd: Made it cool to be white trash Southerners
Metallica: HOW many shitty metal bands formed because of them
David Bowie: If he didn't exist, maybe I wouldn't have to hear about Radiohead so damn much
Sex Pistols/Clash/Ramones: All future punk, nuff said
KISS: Do we REALLY need bands in makeup/masks like Mudvayne, Slipknot, etc... even King Diamond took a page from them
Led Zeppelin: Only cuz every motherfucking kid playing "Stairway to Heaven" in a guitar store
Nirvana: Angst-rock
Pink Floyd: WHY do I have to hear Les Claypool play them album after album, see the Dark Side of the Moon shirt on shitloads of dorks at the mall, etc...
Velvet Underground: The most "influential" band that only 5% of "casual" music fans have ever heard of...

Yes, I understand negative influences can be said about ANY major band who influenced their particular genre. But these really stuck out in my mind as bands who just had lots of negatives trailing them. But I suppose if THEY didn't do it, some other band will.

― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Sunday, 20 July 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

that's twelve bands

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 20 July 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

also, re: skynyrd - fuck you

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 20 July 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

lots of negatives = FUCKING BLUR

the also-rans of britpop are amongst the worst music ever made by semi-sentient beings.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 20 July 2003 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

RUN DMC - INVENTED RAP (IE. JA RULE) NUFF SAID

MARY J BLIGE - DITTO FOR R&B

LIMP BIZKIT - ALL SO CALLED "METAL" MADE BY ANGRY WHITE MALES

AVRIL LAVINE - ALL "SENSITIVE" FEMALE SINGERS WHO THINK THEY KNOW HOW TO PLAY GUITAR

― d k (d k), Sunday, 20 July 2003 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the question is can you name any famous bands that haven't had any negative influence? (all the bands listed in the first post have been positive influences too, with maybe two exceptions)

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 20 July 2003 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

look, Bryan Moore, I don't know who you are, or how long you've been reading; I'm not a man with any authority at all round these parts, and ilm has been awash in shitty threads like this for a long time now; also it's very late and I should just keep my mouth shut, but this has really surprisingly rubbed me the wrong way, hard, so:

what kind of response are you looking for here? what kind of thought or imagination went into this? do you think this is funny? or that even a 'casual' music fan hasn't read lame jokes like this for ever? is it even worth it to ask for serious consideration of what these bands did, what it means to follow them? cos if you'd bothered to dug into the archives you might have found tons of threads that do just that, or at least TRY. I'm not kidding, go look (if you can get the srch to work), each one of those bands has at least a dozen threads, many crap i'm sure, but a few here and there with actual thought and actual humor.

yeah yeah I know it's just a joke dude don't be so serious blah blah zzzzzz

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Sunday, 20 July 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to post something adamant (re Skynnrd, who I have recently grown to respect: GOD FORBID SOMEONE BE POOR AND SOUTHERN), but gc basically covered everything. Everything except No KISS = very possibly no Van Halen and that is something I am not even going to TRY to imagine.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 20 July 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

And that "all future punk" thing... what, the total sum of 1978-present = Green Day?

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 20 July 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Avril Lavigne invented faux-sensitive female singer/songwriters?

Limp Bizkit invented angry white metalheads? What, did they usurp the otherwise African-American metal community?

― Xii (Xii), Sunday, 20 July 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

it's always funny when the oldies try to initimidate new people. bryan please keep posting, most threads suck, they always have it is only the occasionaly gem that sneaks through. next time start a thread about a critic and turn into a hero.

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 20 July 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

1) Conflating dissent w/ intimidation is a neat little misinterpretation, Keith. The same could be said about conflating "I don't like" with "this sucks", but that's semantical.

2) Don't blame the music, blame the fans (cf. esoj's nomination possibly being the only one worth any sort of merit, if any mention on this thread is or ever will be worth a damn) (unless taken with a big ol' saltlick). As awesome & convenient as it would be for there to be a hivemind mentality about what to like & dislike about groups and particular types of music, there are just way too many stubborn fules out there unwilling to compromise and "see the light". This is as good as it is bad.

3) Is there any introspective music-fan / thinking type that has NEVER thought of such a thing like this type of list at one point or another?

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 20 July 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Keith... you're really Bryan, right? That's kinda sad. This entire thread makes me sad.

― David Allen, Sunday, 20 July 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The real kicker about Bryan's lamentations is that, given his selection of bands that are a BAD INFLUENCE and cause kids to DO DRUGS AND CARJACK*, he more or less casts "fie upon the" brimstone on 90% of all rock music recorded post-1970 (glam, southern rock, punk, post-punk, prog, pop metal, thrash metal, alt-rock, indie). Outside of rap and R&B (whose listeners, I've learned, usually don't bother to waste their time complaining about KISS), I am hard-pressed to guess what Bryan might actually like.

*went on a Lieberman tangent there; sorry

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 20 July 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I rather enjoy many of those bands mentioned... Perhaps my question would have been better phrased as such "What highly influential/well respected bands have a noted negative influence" And to that, I would expect ALL bands to have something negative, but these were bands that really stuck out in my mind, no humor intended. Now I own every Metallica, Nirvana, and KISS album, and at one point or anther have had ever Led Zeppelin album. But my taste in their music doesn't wipe out the fact that I think these bands had noted consequences that, in my opinion, are negative. I'm simply looking to find out what other bands people think are like this, no humor intended. I fully believe these all have positive influences to them, but thats not why my thread was about? David, Nate... would you like to start that next thread?

― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Sunday, 20 July 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the major problem here is just that if any band is popular, it will inevitably spawn imitators and derivative acts, most of whom will not be nearly as talented, as well as just being less original. Thus, it could probably be said that any band which was inspired some looser with a guitar to form a band of his own has had a 'negative' influence. I hope that wasn't too redundant...

― rev.felix, Monday, 21 July 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread inspired me to put a down payment on that KISS coffin that Gene Simmons has been hawking every chance he gets ...

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I beg to differ re: Nirvana. They basically annihlated all the silly, Aqua Net-loving, male chauvinistic whores of the so-called '80s "hair metal" scene and their trashed-out bimbo groupie chicks with the huge mall hair, ripped-to-shreds t-shirts, and tight-ass, ripped-up acid washed nightmare jeans. They brought respect back into the hard rockin' scene and I am eternally grateful they came onto the scene so that all the little idiots could see what REAL rock is supposed to sound like.

I also beg to differ re: David Bowie, but that could be mostly fannish talk talking, considering practically every single artist I love to pieces has been influenced by Bowie in some way or another AND considering how much of a fan I am of the Original Man in the first place.

One more thing: As compared to practically 95% of the posters here in ILXland, I *am* just a "'casual' music fan" (seeing as though I know a hell of a lot less than pretty much everyone here save for one or two people), and I not only know who the Velvet Underground are, I actually quite like them (except for that whole "we're not really the VU lineup" debacle). Plus, some of my favorite artists have covered the VU in the past, so I think that's interesting.

Sadly to say, I do kinda understand where you're coming from in re: the punk rocker mentions. Because "punk rock" the distinction has been currently dismantled and meant to be analogous to a fashion statement and little else. 99.999% of the artists whom I've seen being promoted as "punk rock" have very little if anything to do with the actual genre. Grrrr. Want to beat them up to a bloody pulp.

― Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Did nu metal actually come from a real band influence, or was it just a product of demographics, focus groups and algorythmic hit-simulation programs? Cuz if it did come from a real band, poop on it.

― sucka, Monday, 21 July 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

REVIVAL.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 26 June 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

How many bands are there that seized upon one idea (or song) someone else did and turned it into a formula? The original might have been a great thing, but after repitition and imitation... not so much.

I'd add Radiohead and Neutral Milk Hotel to the list, probably. Bad things have happened in attempts to recreate The Bends or the sound of "Oh Comely."

― mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 26 June 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

ffs! is nobody going to mention OASIS already?

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 26 June 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

I disagree. Nirvana took every bad thing about rock in the 80's and took it to the other end with mixed results.

80's hair metal: "Woman, I'm gonna make love you to like a manly man"

Post-Nirvana rock: "I think I want to make love to you, but I'm not sure and am confused about a lot of things, greatest of them sexing you. Maybe I'm bisexual too, don't know. :/"

Maybe it's really Husker Du's fault.

― Cunga (Cunga), Sunday, 26 June 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

David Bowie: If he didn't exist, maybe I wouldn't have to hear about Radiohead so damn much

I've grown to perceive a spiritual connection of sorts between the music of (Berlin-era at least) Bowie and Radiohead, but I'm not sure where this comes from or even how to describe it. Is there an obvious link between the two that I'm missing?

― sleep (sleep), Sunday, 26 June 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I guess he can just be quoted as saying Radiohead are the "best band around." That answers that, then, nevermind!

― sleep (sleep), Sunday, 26 June 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

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