goldfrapp - black cherry

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this is really good. like a slight avant kylie album innit? (yeah, i know, sort of redundant, but it's 1:15 am and it's the best i can do.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

with the search function the way it is, i couldn't tell if there was already a thread on this. i assume there was.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, there is, somewhere. i actually really like this album, much to my surprise. annoyingly i've left it at home though so i can't listen to it now...

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, there doesn't seem to be a single thread devoted to Goldfrapp, oddly.

Black Cherry is fantastic, if it doesn't get a Mercury nomination I'll be wholly bewildered.

Oh, and < trumpet > here is a most illuminating interview wot I did with the band (well, one of them) a couple of months ago.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 07:30 (twenty-two years ago)

the vox on the opening track reaaaaaallllly remind me of something and i cant figure out what and it's driving me nuts. something mid-80s, i think.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 07:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I got the first one and didn't like it that much so I'm very wary of this.. but the first single was good. Hmm. Would I like it do you think?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

very different from first tico. yes, i think you would. i do.

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i think so. it sounds nothing like the first one, and the single's a fairly good guide to the rest of the album (actually i think most of the album is better than train).

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i love both

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I love both too, but for different reasons. As has been explained by people on here and by the band (see above for link), they went about the whole recording process in a totally different way, influenced by playing the first album live and a desire to fatten the sound and turn on the disco lights a bit.

It's come out deliciously - Tom, dip yr toes in with "Hairy Trees" and check the excellent video for "Strict Machine".

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Great interview, Charlie. "Twist" is my favourite - reminds me of something I can't put my finger on. Actually I'm listening to "Strict Machine" right now. "Hairy Trees" and "Deep Honey" are probably the two best of the non-thumpers on the album.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie, you're lucky you got Will. Alison is a bint.

Tico: Ithink you might like it. As Charlie points out it is quite different to Felt Mountain. Despite my distaste for the singer, I do really like the band's music. I've got the album somewhere (or I may have given it to Toby), you can borrow it if I find it.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd be much obliged if someone could explain about Alison's reputation for being PURE EVIL, have heard this mentioned a lot but it's not really come across in any of the interviews I've read with her. I may be reading the wrong interviews.

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved 'Black Cherry' when it came out but found that its staying power was rather low..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Alison is a bint.

let's hope she isn't a googling bint...

I've got the album somewhere (or I may have given it to Toby), you can borrow it if I find it.

yeah, i have your copy (you were going to chuck it!). i was going to offer to copy it for you, tom, but it's copy-protected. but you're welcome to borrow it if you wish.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I met her in Bristol after their Fleece and Firkin gig just after Felt Mountain came out. She was talking to a mutual friend and, thinking I was just some fan, she was absolutely hideous to me until my mate pointed out I wasn't a 'fan' as such. She was sweetness and light then, but I just walked off and had a good laugh at her shoes with my mates.

Her speaking voice alone is like chalk down a blackboard.

Daft twat she is..... being rude to fans at some of their very first tiny gigs. God knows what she's like now......

russ t, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw this lot on Jools Holland and she was definitely miming her vocals, I thought, "Isn't that against the rules?".

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd be much obliged if someone could explain about Alison's reputation for being PURE EVIL

I don't think she's very keen on journalists/ doing press. I interviewed her for a recently folded dance mag (google proofing) and she was rude, rude, rude.

It wasn't just me. The photographer's assistant found a dead mouse in the bathroom and I am told they debated putting it in her handbag as a revenge attack. (This is why I'm not posting the name of the mag or the hotel.)

She says she doesn't like the internet. Fingers crossed.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw this lot on Jools Holland and she was definitely miming her vocals, I thought, "Isn't that against the rules?".

i don't think she was, she just sang on top of the track's vocals - its got self-harmonies etc.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Does Jools know?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Blimey - looks like I *was* lucky to get Will after all! In fact, I was initially really disappointed when I found out I wasn't getting Alison, but as it turned out, I reckon I got a *far* more interesting piece out of Will, than I would've done out of Alison. Yay. fucking lovely bloke too.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Suzy said she met Alison and she was lovely, if i recall correctly.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I was initially pretty unimpressed with this album and was scathing about it in another thread. Only fair to say I've changed my mind - it's better than I first thought and probably better than Felt Mountain, though paradoxically I still much prefer the Felt Mountainish bits (like the title track) to the electro-disco bits.

ArfArf, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been wary of this. I LOVED Felt Mountain, esp. Paper Bag, Pilots, and Utopia, so such a shift has me unnerved...

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a great album - almost definitely in my top ten for the year. Tico I think you'd enjoy it - the electro glam bits not only balance out the soft ethereal parts but reposition them somehow so that they're much more enticing.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it much more than Felt Mountain and it's super sexxxy.

Also, why would lip-syncing be against the rules? At this point I consider lip-syncing a form of protest.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I know I talked about this record months ago; perhaps it wasn't on a proper Goldfrapp thread. I love Black Cherry and am thrilled with the dancey numbers. They were terrific when I saw them live too. All those weird theremin-sounding parts are actually her voice put through some crazy effects box.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Re: Alison being pure evil,

from The Fly interview:

ALISON GOLDFRAPP SPEAKS

About anything bar music, please

Small, adorning a Burberry cum Diesel, Trilby hat, pinkie brown tweed trousers, there was something about Alison that struck you as gentrified but also consciously urban trendy.

Alison Goldfrapp was found quivering in an extremely cold and dingy building out on the Harrow Road, North London that shockingly, houses her label, Mute Records. It's a surprisingly run down place that had taken its décor from the pseudo industrial feel of the Hacienda crossed with a meat factory in Scunthorpe. Small, adorning a Burberry (you know, that beige Tartan stuff) cum Diesel, Trilby hat, pinkie brown tweed trousers, there was something about Alison that struck you as gentrified but also consciously urban trendy. Stuck in the middle of the city and the countryside you might say, and definitely trying to find middle ground between the extremes in her personality.
From first impressions you begin to think that she probably has little time for most people, appears nonchalant, unperturbed and indifferent to the people that surround her. Distinctly unimpressed by the day's affairs, she seems to enter the interview with a clear view to ending it as quick as is humanly possible.
Opening with a question about their 'comfortingly' entitled debut album Felt Mountain, Alison, with a fiery expression on her face, darted in before I could finish. "Talking about what we do. I don't like it. It just feels like every time I do it, I lose another part of what I do." At this point I offer to either leave politely or ask her if she'd rather talk about something else entirely. After what seemed like an entirety, a tight grin broke into an actual smile. She continued, "It's just fucking bizarre talking about music and analyse something that you've just finished. It's such a tangible thing and we're tearing it to pieces."
Instead of sitting in a cold London studio with the rain pouring outside, I ask Alison where she would rather be. "I'd like to live on a mountain in Switzerland. I'd like to make honey, I'd like to have bees on the mountain. I'd like to be a naturist, walk round with a rucksack on my back making honey...I don't know. Or being in a room of rabbits playing piano all day" Now, this isn't the first time that someone has suggested that to me, so I'm not finding that comment particularly strange. Being someone who is obviously quite visual, I ask Alison whether her time at Art College ('I know the biog says Art College but it was really Middlesex Uni') influenced her career choice and if she ever thought about exploring the possibility of working in film. "No, I think I would be terrible, I would constantly be changing my mind. And it would be completely stupid. I started out painting and I was crap at it so I thought I should start thinking about getting music involved, because that's what I know about really." She expands and all of a sudden starts to talk about how she got involved in music and the process that has brought her to where she is today. "I just started bumming around in bands and one thing led to another, I was quite determined but then I spent two years singing with a dance company in Belgium and it was a good learning experience for me. It opened me up to something completely different. And then I got bored of that and went to college and did performance type stuff, but I always knew I wouldn't carrying on doing it. I always wanted to do music. I wanted to do something accessible and immediate, I didn't really want to do art, it wasn't for me."
Alison has been involved in many collaborations, with the most notable being Tricky and a stint singing on his first album, Maxinquaye. "That was just accident again, um...I did something with Orbital, I met them at a party and they were kind of a friend of a friend and their company wanted to manage me. They asked me, what are you into? I'd heard this bloke Tricky on the radio; I think it was Aftermath before it was properly released. I thought yeah, I'm really into that and I can imagine doing something with this person. Amazingly they revealed that they managed him." Amazing, eh? "I sent him something and he invited me over to his house and it went from there. Then I went on tour with him before Martina was around. After two years it did my head in. How do you sing someone else's songs and be yourself? It's too much. I sort of lost my way. I completely forgot what I was meant to be doing. Then it took me another two years, before I started again."
Although Alison appears to be forthcoming, you can tell from the look in her eyes that she doesn't actually want to be here and there's no getting away from the fact that she is completely negative about everything she had achieved in her life, whether it be the Belgian dance troupe, recording and touring with Tricky or her efforts at 'art school'. The conversation ends with her saying, 'well, that wasn't too bad really...quite a short day' and you realise that Alison Goldfrapp really ought to start being a little more positive about her life, otherwise she'll be misinterpreted as a miserable bitch.

Nicola Slade

AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA. my album of the year so far, btw

Vic (Vic), Friday, 12 September 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
So...anyone going to see 'em in Hammersmith this evening? I shall, it seems, be there on me todd, so all company will be at least tolerated with a wan smile.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll be there dude - you will recognise me from the MegaTom FAP photos. dunno what time i'll be there yet but look out for me and i'll do the same for ye (i met you briefly at Freaky Trigger night a few months back)

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

this was great - Alison was AMAZING, wish i'd been nearer the front

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah it was pretty good - "Utopia" still leaves me open-mouthed in awe every time, and "Twist" was fantastic. And strangely, Goldfrapp did the same cover as the last act I saw at Hammersmith Apollo, back in 2001 - Olivia Newton-John's "Let's Get Physical". The other act? Why, it was Kylie!

Fuck Carling though, I hate all that "we will decide what you will drink" shit - not even any Guinness...grrr.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

every song was practically perfect (yes Utopia was awesome but so were Lovely Head, Train (tassles!), Crystalline Green, Tiptoe, Strict Machine and everything else you'd expect - and the ticker tape at the end was a bit special

i couldn't work out what the song they started the second encore with was until j0e deduced correctly it was their cover of Baccara's 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie'! formidable. and 'Pilots (On A Star)' remains the great Bond theme that never was.

sorry we didn't meet charlie, i'll make more effort next time.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

You know what was great? When they started "Black Cherry" and I turned to my friend Al and said, "I smell a Christmas single! Imagine it: sleigh bells, disco ball, SNOW FALLING FROM THE CEILING on Top of the Pops..." and at That Exact Moment the shiny silver ticker-tape came glinting down in front of us...lovely.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

looks like 'Twist' will be the last single - another fab tune all the same

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

another highlight: numerous wolf-whistles from the crowd prompting Alison to caw 'You're VERY kind' with a spoonful of mischievous sarcasm. she was/is ludicrously sexy tho.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Saw her in Leicester on Monday night. Am I alone in thinking she's a bit Add N to X Lite in places? For all that I still like her a lot, think the new album is miles better than the first one.

The ticker tape end bit is a glorious move.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

add n to x are add n to x lite. goldfrapp are a lovely lovely sci fi surface over a heart of unremarkable grey normality

bob snoom, Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I still play the album about once a week. Strangely, I love the uptempo songs so much that I'm almost anxious for the atmospheric slower ones to end so I can get to them.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I like how Alison seems to have gradually accumulated personas - first alien, then alien-witch, now robot-alien-witch. Happy Rhodes tried to do something similar but was never as successful as Black Cherry is.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I love robot-alien-witches!

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Well yeah exactly.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 30 October 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It should be noted at this point that at Tuesday's gig Alison wore some kind of mini-wedding dress and A TAIL.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i enjoyed her outfit tremendously. we discussed the nature of the tail briefly and i'd like to suggest it was actually unicorn

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

What's going on? First Simon Fonda shows up at the Bitmap gig dressed as a CENTAUR, now Alison G's rockin' the UNICORN?

This Narnia chic must be stopped!*

*by "stopped", of course, I mean "actively encouraged"....

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 30 October 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

nay (naaaaay!), MANDATORY

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)


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