Mercury Music Prize: Which Previous Winners Have Classic Album Status?

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A List of previous winners:
Primal Scream - Screamadelica
Suede - Suede
M People - Elegant Slumming
Portishead - Dummy
Pulp - Different Class
Roni Size and Reprazent - New Forms
Gomez - Bring IT On
Talvin Singh - OK
Badly Drawn Boy - The Hour of the Bewilderbeast
PJ Harvey - Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea
Ms Dynamite - A Little Deeper


Which of these albums have stood the test of time?
Albums that have missed out are Blur, Oasis, Verve,Manic Street Preachers, Massive Attack, Underworld,Leftfield, Orbital. All of whom probably stand up more now than many of the winners.

Rab, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't go THAT far. Except in the case of Gomez.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

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Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Not even Different Class? Alien.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Earthling.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Peej's album is a classic. the rest are just "good" at best

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Screamadelica stands up really really well. The last few years have been really rough with the possible exception of PJ Harvey.
Too many albums with too much filler win the prize now. It always seems more political than actual content.

Will O, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there an American version of The Mercury Music Prize?

Will O, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

M People - classic

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I once again assert my right as the only defender of Gomez in the ENTIRE WORLD to say that Bring It On is a really good record. So shut up Ned you beard-hater. [*emoticons usually express a softening of a satirical or attemptedly-humorous jibe directed at another. use one today!*]

Neudonym, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Earthling.

Great album!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

aha, it's a trick question. the answer will rightly be - none of the above

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there an American version of The Mercury Music Prize?

i think that was the idea behind 'the short list': http://www.shortlistofmusic.com/
which i think was started by a couple LA industry people. and it seems to have close ties to kcrw and my evil nemisis nic hartcourt.

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

They all do because they won the Mercury prize.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

what defines a classic?
certainly not winning a prize.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Seems as objective a way as anything, frenchbloke.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd pip for Screamadelica, Dummy, Different Class and Stories From The City... having 'classic' status. Certainly round my house.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree exactly with Nick's choices, also maybe Suede. Maybe.

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Stories From the City is the worst thing PJ Harvey's done. Every one of her other albums is a classic, but that gets 5/10. Different Class definitely.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I would go for Suede, Pulp and ESPECIALLY Gomez. (You're not alone, Neudonym)

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Different Class is Greatest Record In History Of Ever so wins by default really.

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Every single one of 'em is overplayed in the dinner party context, certainly.

Possibly because, according to the Guardian this morning, judges choose records on the basis of how many times they can listen to 'em in a row, and on whether anyone would object if you put the record on at, er, a dinner party.

This was used as a reason to suggest that Dizzee would not win.

This fuckin country. I swear.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Portishead, Pulp and Suede. The rest? Chaff.

russ t, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:30 (twenty-two years ago)

the Scream - Portishead - Pulp - Badly Drawn Boy

the rest: ok, in their own way, maybe classics in their genre

daarkbee, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"This fuckin country. I swear."

ahem: You know you're getting old when........

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Daaarkbee how is "maybe classics in their genre" different from the ones you mentioned?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

...and Primal Scream of course.

russ t, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Stories From the City is the worst thing PJ Harvey's done. Every one of her other albums is a classic, but that gets 5/10.

was she a meat eater on that record or something?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

or teetotal?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Beats me - she's always been a supporter of foxhunting though. Nah, the problem is she was a bad tunewriter and lyricist all of a sudden. And the singing's not so great. Nice photos on the cover, though.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

".... she's always been a supporter of foxhunting though."

Ssssh! Don't let C*L*M hear you, he'll have apoplexy!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. On second thoughts....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

they're all classic by the standards of the kind of people who care about the mercury music prize
pulp,primal scream and portishead are all classics,though,in my opinion

robin (robin), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Primals, Suede, Portishead and Pulp definitely. The Suede album was the best glam lp since Roxy Music and Japan were making albums.

FACT275, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The 2003 Shortlist Music Project Launches in June!

Final planning is underway for the third annual Shortlist Music Prize, which will launch in June of 2003, along with an updated version of this website.

Watch this space for further updates on the panel of Listmakers and key dates for the project, which will culminate with an Awards Concert in Los Angeles in October of 2003.

they better step it up over there...

david day (winslow), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

What albums would everyone like to see included in the Shortlist Music Prize?

Rikki, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Possibly because, according to the Guardian this morning, judges choose records on the basis of how many times they can listen to 'em in a row

isn't this a reasonably good measure of the quality of an album?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a good measure of the quality of certain types of album. Albums which have an unusual mood/tone or a very extreme aesthetic are always going to be less easy to listen to over and over in a short space of time.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Theres nothing in this years list that looks like being a classic. Radiohead and Dizzee Rascal are the best of a bad lot. Then again its fairly clear that the best albums never seemed to win apart from the 1st 2 years.(excepting Portishead)

Jacob Marley, Thursday, 24 July 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Check this out http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3097483.stm
Mercury list boosts award outsiders

by Ian Youngs
BBC News Online entertainment staff



Eliza Carthy has seen the most dramatic rise
Fans have been flocking to discover some of the lesser-known Mercury Prize contenders since the shortlist was announced, figures have revealed.

Sales of many albums "at least doubled" the day after the announcement, national high street chain HMV said.

Folk singer Eliza Carthy saw the biggest jump - of 750% - but started from a low base, a spokesman said.

One bookmaker has made Dizzee Rascal, 19, a garage MC from east London, favourite for the prize.

This year's shortlist of 12 CDs was announced on Tuesday. They will compete to be named album of the year in September.

Among the artists in the running are rock bands Coldplay, Radiohead and The Darkness, jazz performer Soweto Kinch and hip-hop duo Lemon Jelly.


Find out more about the 12 nominees


Audio gallery

HMV figures showed that many artists sold between 50% and 150% more copies on Wednesday than they did on Tuesday.

Better-known nominees like Coldplay and Radiohead did not benefit so much because they had sold so many already.

"At this stage, it's the lower-profile acts, who haven't had that much exposure, that tend to do well," HMV spokesman Gennaro Castaldo told BBC News Online.

"[But] they start from a relatively small base so the increase tends to be more dramatic."

South London soul duo Floetry - who have been more successful in the US than the UK so far - saw demand for their debut jump 200%, he said.

Another soul singer, Terri Walker, sold 118% more while Lemon Jelly's figures were up 55% and Martina Topley-Bird rose 46%.


Coldplay are the fans' favourites to win the prize
Mr Castaldo said: "It does demonstrate that, in its 12th year, the award has come on a great deal.

"When it started out, it was seen as something that was fairly low-key and maybe an elitist thing. But over a number of years, that has changed."

This year's contest is thought by many to be one of the most unpredictable for years.

Bookmaker Ladbrokes has made Dizzee Rascal its 5-1 favourite - slightly ahead of Coldplay, Radiohead, The Darkness and The Thrills, all at 6-1.

Coldplay are leading a poll of BBC News Online readers, with Radiohead second and The Darkness third.


My bets are on Floetry as theyre big in USA but unknown here. So they have the potential to sell the most out of all the unknown albums, also wont be favourites so there will be no accusations of fixing as usual. Therefore Mercury Music Prize gains credibility by picking out something that sells shitloads due to them being the 1st to 'notice' them.

Rabid John, Friday, 25 July 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Dummy is the only full-blown classic there. I'd go for Pulp too, because rationally I know that they're one of the great British bands of the 90s etc., but really - I lost my copy of Different Class a while back and have survived perfectly well since. And I'd go for Peej because I love her, but Stories is just so much inferior to the rest of her output that the fact that it won the Mercury... well, it's definitely not ironic. (Though Stories is hardly a dud, either; it has some classic *songs* on it.)

I hate the Martina Topley-Bird nomination this year, because too many people seem to think it's a Mercury sort of album anyway when it and she are just so much better than that.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 25 July 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Is the Martina album a fantastic thing? I've only heard one track and have read umpteen underwhelmed reviews and I'd really love it to be better than I've heard.

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It really is. I can see where the underwhelmed reviews are coming from; a couple of the tracks are a bit aimless and it's just completely unlike (and more conventional than) the stuff Martina was doing with Tricky (I think people expected her to spring a Maxinquaye on us), but that VOICE - it's just this gorgeous honeyed croon, and it's perfect for all situations involving deckchairs and sunshine and gardens and white wine.

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

2003 Shortlist Music Prize - Who Decides

rashid, Saturday, 26 July 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The nominees are selected by 20 "listmakers," each of whom selects chooses albums released between July 1, 2002, and June 30, 2003. Albums are ineligible if they have sold more than 500,000 copies in the U.S.

Among this year's 20 listmakers are Dave Matthews, Tori Amos, Tom Waits, Coldplay's Chris Martin, Spike Jonze, Cameron Crowe, Mos Def, Gwen Stefani, the Neptunes, the Roots' Ahmir "?uestlove" Thompson and Erykah Badu.

Rashid, Saturday, 26 July 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't see any of this years nominees having classic album status by the end of this year nevermind future years.
I bet Dizzee Rascal is a shoo-in this year. Unless one of the token albums win for a change.

Robbiej, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i own 6 of the previous winners on CD

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I own 3.

Garry Brown, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone think the Ms Dynamite album still stands up as teh bst album of last year?
Congrats to Ms Dynamite on the birth of her baby last night.

B Gibson, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Portishead album is the best of the previous winners but too many of the albums that didnt win those years stand up a hell of a lot better than those that did actually win.

Boy Wonder, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone think the Ms Dynamite album still stands up as teh bst album of last year?

Did anyone ever think that? She's cool and all, but that album had, like, four good songs max.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I own all of these except Dynamite-hee (a situation I mean to remedy as sono as I'm a little more cashed up) and the fucking terrible M People, the utterly bewildering success of which I *still*, after all these years, just cannot fathom. To choose that over His 'N' Hers just seemed so utterly mental...and was Parklife even nominated in '94? Shocking.

All the ones I've heard (again, not counting Miss D) have stood the test of time remarkable well, sez I. I met one of The Darkness last night and he was a. genuinely chuffed to bits at their nimination and b. modest but quietly confident that thay're in with a chance.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Will this years winner stand up with the past winners then?

Carrie, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I would say he already towers above them.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Definitely the best since Portishead.

Raymondo, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Good as Dummy is, it bet Maxinquaye that year and that is, simply, wrong.

jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Judging from those "top 100 albums of all time" surveys, these do:

Primal Scream - Screamadelica
Suede - Suede
Portishead - Dummy
Pulp - Different Class

While Badly Drawn Boy comes pretty close.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic:

Primal Scream - Screamadelica
Portishead - Dummy
Pulp - Different Class
Badly Drawn Boy - The Hour of the Bewilderbeast
PJ Harvey - Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea

Of its Time (or will be):

Suede - Suede
Roni Size and Reprazent - New Forms
Gomez - Bring IT On
Ms Dynamite - A Little Deeper

Dunno:
Talvin Singh - OK

Naah:
M People - Elegant Slumming

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Dummy is probably the only one of these albums I still play regularly, and I think the only one of these albums to actually have made a difference in the larger world of music. With D Rascal it's too early to say.

Of the others: yes, Screamadelica was unarguably great in its day, but I haven't played it for close on a decade; Suede maybe should have got it for Dog Man Star in '94 (was it '94?) rather than M People (though the Prodigy's Jilted really ought to have won that year). Pulp: well maybe, but I'm scared to play it anyway for well-documented personal life-related reasons. Badly Drawn Boy: ditto. Roni Size: underrated record, but Reprazent are better live. PJ Harvey I think went seriously off the boil after about '93. Gomez: nice enough record but haven't listened to it in five years. Talvin Singh: only ever played once, though I never got rid of it. Ms Dynamite: decent enough record but haven't played it, oh, for about a year.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)


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