Matador to adopt copy protection?

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A Summer trial balloon?

― Venus Glow (1411), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

...and Domino?! Poo-poo on them.

― V (1411), Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

just a shame it doesn't seem to work.

― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Saturday, 26 July 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

So, what exactly do they mean by "corrupt"?

― David Allen, Saturday, 26 July 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

You know...CDs that are just plain morally suspect.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 26 July 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a pretty blunt 'war of words' thing. Record companies call them 'copy protected', anti-copy protection folk call them 'corrupt' (the justification being that the discs don't pass the red book standard for CDs).

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it's really bullshit because apparantly they don't play on older stereos and often won't play on any stereo in a few years, just by deterioration or something, I guess.

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Well then it's a good thing you can rip them onto your computer and keep them on your hard drive forever!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this why Virgin Megastores are having an "all for $10" sale? The industry is hurting that badly after pulling stupid shit like this over and over? I mean, it's amazing how many things they went and stuck a $10 red sticker on! Lots of effort.

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

So, what exactly do they mean by "corrupt"?
The record companies believe that making CD-DAs (Compact Disc Digital Audio)s that aren't really CD-DAs (ie they don't conform to the Redbook Standard) they can keep music lovers and geeks from ripping the tracks from the media.
But the only real difference between a "good" CD-DA and a "corrupt" CD-DA isn't that you can't rip from them...the difference is in how you rip the tracks from the media.
For normal, legitimate Redbook Standard Compliant CDs you can rip with EAC or AudioGrabber

For corrupt, illegitimate Redbook Standard Defiant CDs have to use Isobuster or cdparanoia.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 26 July 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

exact audio copy has successfully ripped copy protected cds for me.

i'm always a bit suspect when things wind up on these lists; until there are at least one or two more reports of this happening with this cd i won't believe it. but if it's true - BOOOOO! BOOOOOOOOOO!!!

― your null fame (yournullfame), Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

domino already have, they probably haven't bothered mentioning it to anyone. my copy of smog's "rain on lens" is copy-protected.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

exact audio copy has successfully ripped copy protected cds for me.
Hmmm. True. True.
But if the record companies get more "invasive" with their copy protection and find a way to thwart the current version of EAC, I bet Isobuster or cdparanoia can get around it.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I find that grand list provided in the above link to be useless. These are all second-hand reports.

I've ALWAYS had problems with CDs occasionally not playing on my CD player or computer.. well before Sean Fanning, Napster creator, broke out of adolescence. Sometimes the way the CD is manufactured, usually something to do with the inner ring of the cd, can affect playback issues on any playing device.

I'm sure a good fraction of the listed CDs in the link are due to just random mismatches between CD types and player types, and were made well before anyone used the term "p2p".

Why is Matador singled out in this thread? I only found one reference to Matador in that list, for a Yo La Tengo disc... which was, again, a second-hand report, and not a stated fact.

― donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 26 July 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well then it's a good thing you can rip them onto your computer and keep them on your hard drive forever!

That was my first thought too: lucky we have an alternative to risking hard-earned cash on discs which may no longer even play back on my 1989 walkman (or whatever).

If (maybe not such a big if) labels have decided that reliable playback can be dispensed with along the way, haven't they undermined the principal reason for actually buying an original copy in the first place? Erm, nails, coffins, etc...

― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Saturday, 26 July 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

this is probably just a stopgap until they can shove some sort of copy-protected DVD audio format down our throats at a later date; something that would require encrypted keys in a dedicated player. keep an eye out for flacky "it can hold 4 hours of super-high-quality music - and it's the size of a CD!" articles.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Sunday, 27 July 2003 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Ultimately, unless you are a real audiophile, you can circumvent any of these mechanisms just by going the audio out -> audio in analogue route. Hell, it was good enough even for audiophiles when I were a lad. (yes, one does have to do it pesky real time).

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

it doesn't always work, especially with heavily compressed albums - i've done this and ended up with some occasionally unpleasant results, even if the output/input volume aren't within screaming distance of distorting.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 27 July 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Huh? I don't understand how it could not work if your CD player is outputting correctly to an amp and the amp and CD burner (or mp3 ripper, whatever) aren't broken.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Why is Matador singled out in this thread?

It's the idea that Matador somehow are NOT corporate tools. I don't know why this notion is pervasive and people are still surprised. I know it's all about indie street cred, etc. they still garner. But, dude, if you are a member of the the RIAA, you are a corporate tool. Copy protection is just an on-going process of "coming out," so to speak.

― direct_program, Sunday, 27 July 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Cry me a river. It wouldn't be happening if "certain folk" weren't so hellbent on ripping off labels and artists. You made the new world of crappy of copy protection. So quit crying.

― Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Sunday, 27 July 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

OMFG HOME TAPING IS KILLING MUSIC!!1111!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 27 July 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Fact:I burned a copy of the new Yo La Teno using nero 5.

― Bob Lawton, Sunday, 27 July 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

More facts please!

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Huh? I don't understand how it could not work if your CD player is outputting correctly to an amp and the amp and CD burner (or mp3 ripper, whatever) aren't broken.

i don't understand it either - although i've looked into it a bit further and i'm starting to wonder if it's not a limitation of my headphones (it sounds ok on my stereo speakers).. so ignore me.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

the Australian pressing of the YLT album isn't CPd

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

But, dude...

Matador is not a member of the RIAA.

― V (1411), Monday, 28 July 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Matador isn't, but Beggars Group owns 50% of Matador and is.

― Xii (Xii), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

PREPARE THE GUILLOTINE!

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The work around direct from the Matador Bulletin Board is:

"We're not paying members of the RIAA, and we have asked them not to list us on their site."

How adroit.

― V (1411), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this why Virgin Megastores are having an "all for $10" sale?

Because this is how much a CD ought to cost?

― David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

a couple of points :

we have not copy protected any copies of Yo La Tengo's 'Summer Sun'. We've received a handful of complaints from persons saying they couldn't play the disc in either their CD player or computer's CD-ROM drive. In each case, after using a CD cleaner (!) the supposed problem went away. So either we've sold someone a scratched CD or perhaps some of y'all have dirty CD players.

Matador is not a member of the RIAA. We have no plans to become members of the RIAA.

― Gerard Cosloy, Saturday, 9 August 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to become a member of the RIAA but the elitist bastards won't have me.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Saturday, 9 August 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i wanna be in the RIAA, just for all the free drugs n' hoze that each member is sent on a weekly basis.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 9 August 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...

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― Bunzzzzz O)))))))))))))))))) (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

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